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Ya know we already have those things don’t you?

When it comes to defence, we’re not in a position to skrimp and save. There’s more than a few narcissistic megalomaniacs in the world right now.
I am talking about the United States. Not Europe. European issues shouldn't involve the United States. That is your problem to deal with. The United States needs cheaper healthcare, more hospitals. Not more guns and bombs.
 
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I am talking about the United States. Not Europe. European issues shouldn't involve the United States. That is your problem to deal with. The United States needs cheaper healthcare, more hospitals. Not more guns and bombs.
World Peace is really good for business!!!! I guess so is war!

Unfortunately Americans put all of their faith in ‘The Market’ to provide the best products at the cheapest prices. Whilst for Health at least Europe went for a centralised system where government agencies decided if drugs and treatments were cost effective and worth licensing.

Consequently our healthcare spending is 1/3 of yours per capita. Outcomes are about the same. Profits? Far far less.

That’s socialism I guess?
 
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The moment you zero in on peaceful protests against ICE, and peaceful protests by BLM supporters, I can already tell you're just regurgitating the right-wing line. Only someone who's deep in that siloed media ecosystem would be repeating that propaganda ad nauseam, without so much as a mention of the heinous crimes right-wing politicians and supporters have been doing now, and in the past.

And one can be a pawn by thinking they're above the fray if that plays into the power brokers' interests, who desire nothing more than an apathetic and jaded populace who no longer push for a better world.

The only people bringing violence and chaos to American streets are Trump and Putin and their goons. Until you understand that reality, and that that is the reality... well, we really cannot talk about anything, can we? And that's the saddest part - and I see it in my own family, too - we cannot even have a rational discussion because the people who need the most help refuse to be pulled from their fantasy world.
Yes. Peaceful…. Nothing to see here…



Always amusing how the media portrays leftist violence. The gaslighting that goes on is hysterical. One of my favorites:


And let’s be clear. If conservatives were protesting “peacefully” and burning buildings it would be called out for what it actually is. Violent protests.
 
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Yes. Peaceful…. Nothing to see here…



Always amusing how the media portrays leftist violence. The gaslighting that goes on is hysterical. One of my favorites:


And let’s be clear. If conservatives were protesting “peacefully” and burning buildings it would be called out for what it actually is. Violent protests.
I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp. When 15-20 million protest and a thousands of people riot, the 99.9% of people who didn't riot are called peaceful protestors. The people that rioted are called rioters.
 
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Yes. Peaceful…. Nothing to see here…



Always amusing how the media portrays leftist violence. The gaslighting that goes on is hysterical. One of my favorites:


And let’s be clear. If conservatives were protesting “peacefully” and burning buildings it would be called out for what it actually is. Violent protests.
Also by the way, the most recent big name assassination attempts were done by leftists against right-wing figures. One succeeded. Charlie Kirk. Remember it was the leftists who cried, screamed and jumped for joy when that incident happened.

It is always this "left wing good" and "right wing bad" framing that comes from the media and their followers. They enjoy sitting on their laurels, seeing the rest of us as lower than them. This is why we need to call them out on this, and not give in to their intimidation tactics. We have a right to speak out, and stand up to the lies that are being forced on our society by an elite group of people who seeks total domination and control.

It is something I am personally passionate about it. If you have to be bullied, coerced, manipulated, and lied to in order to get you to come to a point of view - chances are, it isn't in your best interest.

The media loves to fan the flames of violence. It keeps their ratings up. We need a mass boycott of the media in the United States until they crumble apart and actual news and journalism can take its place.
 
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Also by the way, the most recent big name assassination attempts were done by leftists against right-wing figures. One succeeded. Charlie Kirk. Remember it was the leftists who cried, screamed and jumped for joy when that incident happened.

It is always this "left wing good" and "right wing bad" framing that comes from the media and their followers. They enjoy sitting on their laurels, seeing the rest of us as lower than them. This is why we need to call them out on this, and not give in to their intimidation tactics. We have a right to speak out, and stand up to the lies that are being forced on our society by an elite group of people who seeks total domination and control.

It is something I am personally passionate about it. If you have to be bullied, coerced, manipulated, and lied to in order to get you to come to a point of view - chances are, it isn't in your best interest.

The media loves to fan the flames of violence. It keeps their ratings up. We need a mass boycott of the media in the United States until they crumble apart and actual news and journalism can take its place.
Shut down social media. Return to journalism as it used to be.
 
Also by the way, the most recent big name assassination attempts were done by leftists against right-wing figures. One succeeded. Charlie Kirk. Remember it was the leftists who cried, screamed and jumped for joy when that incident happened.

It is always this "left wing good" and "right wing bad" framing that comes from the media and their followers. They enjoy sitting on their laurels, seeing the rest of us as lower than them. This is why we need to call them out on this, and not give in to their intimidation tactics. We have a right to speak out, and stand up to the lies that are being forced on our society by an elite group of people who seeks total domination and control.

It is something I am personally passionate about it. If you have to be bullied, coerced, manipulated, and lied to in order to get you to come to a point of view - chances are, it isn't in your best interest.

The media loves to fan the flames of violence. It keeps their ratings up. We need a mass boycott of the media in the United States until they crumble apart and actual news and journalism can take its place.
What a long memory you have, short memory not so good.

The latest political murders were of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. Remember them, the ones labelled as Domestic Terrorists, shot unarmed at point blank range. How quickly we, choose to, forget.
 
When you're on the far right everything seems to your left. Most of what you chose to highlight here is center to center left. Heck, AP and Reuters are the most middle of the road, fact-based reporting around.

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This chart is well established ********* by the way. Citations Needed just did a great episode on this.
 
What a long memory you have, short memory not so good.

The latest political murders were of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. Remember them, the ones labelled as Domestic Terrorists, shot unarmed at point blank range. How quickly we, choose to, forget.
That doesn't seem like that long a memory. Heck, you can go back to John Malcolm in 1774 and it almost feels like violently choosing sides has been there since the beginning.
 
What a long memory you have, short memory not so good.

The latest political murders were of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. Remember them, the ones labelled as Domestic Terrorists, shot unarmed at point blank range. How quickly we, choose to, forget.
Those two were putting the lives of those around them in danger. Especially Renee Good. Attempting to run over officers is definitely not “peaceful”.
 
What a long memory you have, short memory not so good.

The latest political murders were of Renee Good and Alex Pretty. Remember them, the ones labelled as Domestic Terrorists, shot unarmed at point blank range. How quickly we, choose to, forget.
They’re both no longer with us because they were unhinged. Normal people yield to law enforcement requests. Normal people don’t bring guns to “peaceful protests”.
 
It’s really scary to see, in real time, how people can be trained to completely lose their own humanity.

I think we’re done here.
These rioters have been radicalized by the media to be martyrs for illegal aliens and criminals, those same people also say absolutely nothing when our citizens are killed by illegal invaders. The people "Peacefully Protesting" are also encouraging this, as they refuse to hold their side accountable. It is only "Left wing good", and "Right Wing Bad".

The silence over the deaths of many many of our own people at the hands of illegal aliens is deafening.

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Oh, so "don't tread on me" has become "if I'm being tread on, that's honestly on me".
"Don't tread on me" doesn't mean you let illegal content and illegal activities go on everywhere. When one has a history of criminal activity and they bring a gun to a protest, you can be sure they weren't there for "peaceful reasons".

Its also amusing to see leftists defend the 2nd Amendment when in any other context they want all guns banned.
 
"Don't tread on me" doesn't mean you let illegal content and illegal activities go on everywhere. When one has a history of criminal activity and they bring a gun to a protest, you can be sure they weren't there for "peaceful reasons".

Its also amusing to see leftists defend the 2nd Amendment when in any other context they want all guns banned.
I agree that no one should have guns.

But you can’t selectively say it’s ok for some people to have guns but not others.

Either you have the 2nd amendment or you don’t.
 
I agree that no one should have guns.

But you can’t selectively say it’s ok for some people to have guns but not others.

Either you have the 2nd amendment or you don’t.
I think that's where we are done discussing this topic. The Second Amendment exists for a reason, however there are gray areas depending on circumstance. We are human beings, we can't perfectly apply a policy across the board with no exceptions. When one is a criminal, certain rights are taken away.

If you really think that nobody should have guns, well, I think thats total nonsense.
 
I think that's where we are done discussing this topic. The Second Amendment exists for a reason, however there are gray areas depending on circumstance. We are human beings, we can't perfectly apply a policy across the board with no exceptions. When one is a criminal, certain rights are taken away.

If you really think that nobody should have guns, well, I think thats total nonsense.
If you are carrying a gun illegally then you should face appropriate consequences. If you are carrying a gun legally, you shouldn’t.
 
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