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Personally I like having 2 separate devices that work perfectly for the tasks I use them. I don’t want a bulky device as a tablet
 
Soo... What you want is just mouse support on the iPad? That's a lot different than making the Mac and iPad one product. And it actually has a (small) chance of happening.

I'm saying that the entry level lowest spec MacBook could also run iOS.... that would be prefect for lots of non-Pro people.
 
You mean like by adding a notch to a phone? Or removing a headphone jack? Or taking away USB ports? OR.......
I don’t even notice the notice haven’t used a headphone jack since before I owned the iPhone 3GS and I bout s single usbc to usba adapter when I first got my MacBook Pro and haven’t needed to use it in over a year
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Then maybe he needs to stop pushing the iPad as a "computer". If he's adamant about keeping them apart, and they do have systematic benefits to themselves, then just stop with the nonsense of an iPad "What's a computer?" campaign. I use my iPad pro on the go and it has it's limitations that I wouldn't get on my MacBook, although, I love the versatility of my iPad Pro so it has its own benefits as well.
An iPad is more then enough computer for the average consumer in fact most people I know don’t own laptops anymore except for a few people in certain lines of work
 
Coming to a WWDC near you!

1 macOS and iOS will both run on ARM
2 apps will now be compiled for ARM to run on macOS and iOS, different only regarding user interface (non-touch vs touch)
3 new Mac(s) will begin to transition to running on ARM
 
Nothing is preventing you from using an external keyboard, and the entire point of this is that touch interfaces and mouse interfaces work very differently. So no, you can't use a mouse on an iPad because there's no cursor for it to control.

Of course you can't use a mouse before they implement support- but the old jailbreaks have shown it's pretty easy to add a mouse pointer to iOS. The iOS simulator has mouse support obviously, so it's not impossible to imagine working with one.

I don't think iOS apps should ever be designed or allowed to require a mouse, but as an optional accessory like a gamepad or Pencil or keyboard I don't see a problem with it.
 
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Tim Cook is an excellent accounting and supply chain guy.

his actual knowledge of products and how people use them is dubious at best.
 
I work for a company with 33,000 employees. All our work is done using Windows 7 and 10.
You have to grow up some time to the real world. The business world is run on Windows PC and Windows Applications.

99% Windows 7, and if they are using Windows 10, they're still running applications that are compatible with Windows 7 (not Modern UI apps or anything). The business world does NOT like updating operating systems- oddly enough, Apple doesn't really tolerate sticking to old OSes like Microsoft does so you're a lot more likely to find Macs in a business environment that run something recent.
 
Well, they were originally against the stylus too, so... it's still possible.
They were originally against tablets. I still remember when I was a huge fan of the iPod Touch and the 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen keynote flashed a picture of a bulky tablet/netbook not fitting in your rear jeans pocket.
 
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I agree, keep them separate, I don’t want what ruined Windows to happen to Mac OS. The whole reason why I tried Mac for the first time in 2015 (and switched full time) is because I hated the Tablet UI crap with 8 and 10. Also tablets don’t work well with Windows any ways, there are so many inconsistencies on both sides of Windows now.
You know that's fixed now right?

You can have your Windows back...Satya is unforking the Ballmer era at lightning speed.

Ironically what Apple needs now is a clear and focused CEO who sees the future...like post-Ballmer Microsoft.

Get your services game up to speed, get your hardware integration tight, and if the masses say they don't want something stop cramming it down their throats.

Weird how Microsoft and Apple have changed places to some extent, with Apple stuck on old paradigms and forcing users to adopt things they don't want to adopt and Microsoft shipping a bunch of good, tight products that hit the nail on the head.

Surface Pro really works and really is selling: Desktop OS, tablet form factor, no compromises.

Meanwhile at Apple:

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It's not! Its Pure Crap.
That was true during the Ballmer era but it is definitely not true now.

Try it out and surprise yourself. Windows is really, really good now. It's stable, secure, performant, smart, manageable, and stays out of your way.

Meanwhile OS X recently is buggy, has very "un-Apple" security issues, and is still stuck in the 17-year-old UX paradigm with a bunch of gimmicks layered on top to make it feel modern.

As a 19-year mac fanatic I never thought I would be typing these words...but here I am.
 
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hell yes I'm for real. Did I ever say it was the main purpose? It works just fine as a stylus. You're talking out your ear.
The 'touchbar' isn't much damned different from a stylus
Poster says "steve jobs was against styli." I said "no, he was against designing user interfaces around the use of a stylus, and that's not what Apple Pencil is for" And you felt it was helpful to chime in with "i have this weird workflow where i use apple pencil sometimes with Microsoft Windows and it's great?"

Why? What is your point? What does it have to do with the veracity of the poster's mis-statement of what Steve Jobs said? Are you just trying to show that you are special? I don't understand.

Obviously people were using styluses for clicking user interface elements long before Steve Jobs made his comments. The fact that it can still be done is nothing new, but thanks for chiming in.
Apologies -- the point I was trying to make and prove is that they lie constantly about these things before releasing them as something revolutionary. If the pencil wasn't mean to tap on UI elements then they wouldn't have supported it.
[doublepost=1524163159][/doublepost]Am I the only one constantly tapping my MacBook screen as if I was on the iPad in dock mode? It gets EVEN WORSE when using the iPad simulator one screen.
 
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That was true during the Ballmer era but it is definitely not true now.
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Meanwhile OS X recently is buggy, has very "un-Apple" security issues, and is still stuck in the 17-year-old UX paradigm with a bunch of gimmicks layered on top to make it feel modern.

That may be a valid criticism of macOS, but not in relation to Windows. Windows is still stuck in very old paradigms itself, with directories full of DLLs, the registry, stuff like "Program Files (x86)" and referring to logical disks with drive letters. . With Window's "mixed" UI, you can travel first through screens that waste space if you have a mouse because they're designed for touch, then dig deeper to get to more advanced settings, and now you're back to the Windows 2000 era screens that are terrible for touch.

I use Windows myself, but it ain't all roses and modernity over there...
 
One of the selling points of the first iPhone was "it runs OS X" (later in the keynote it was revealed that it was running a "modified" version of OS X, but the link between the phone's OS and OS X was considered a crucial sticking point). Instead of merging MacBooks and iPads, Apple should instead make iOS more powerful, more functional, and more in line with macOS.
The only reason it ran a modified OS X was because they were rushing for something presentable and stable for Steve's big unveiling. If they had the time, they would've written iOS for the first iPhone.
 
I'm absolutely fine with two seperate Operating systems. Surely the next step will be the hybrid cross platform software thingy that they've been talking about enabling in MacOS?
I swear most people [who might want this] just want a cool looking hinge for their keyboard. Typing on a bluetooth keyboard and using the touch screen is a pain anyway - the minute they try to merge those two experiences is the minute something bad happens. I don't know what, but you know what I mean.
Still. It might be an idea if Apple created a better keyboard that's made for the iPad as an option. The current keyboard isn't that great. They could also do with making the magic trackpad compatible with the Pencil. That kind of crossing the lines I can do.
 
The only reason it ran a modified OS X was because they were rushing for something presentable and stable for Steve's big unveiling. If they had the time, they would've written iOS for the first iPhone.
Why would they have started from scratch?

One of iOS's biggest strengths was and still is that it is so close to macOS under the hood. That's why it got stuff like built in high performance PDF support, low latency audio, and color management years before the competition. Android wasn't really able to take advantage of a "big brother" OS with years of development behind functionality like that, and it's obvious.
 
One of the selling points of the first iPhone was "it runs OS X" (later in the keynote it was revealed that it was running a "modified" version of OS X, but the link between the phone's OS and OS X was considered a crucial sticking point). Instead of merging MacBooks and iPads, Apple should instead make iOS more powerful, more functional, and more in line with macOS.
We have MacOS, iOS, watchOS, tvOS, HomePodOS. They all have one thing in common: the development on Apple’s side is ssssslllllooooooooowwwww. Maybe they all are just a hobby :rolleyes:
 
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