I totally agree with you in the beginning. But today it seems Android has gotten ahead of iOS. Strange to see development going faster on another platform where it’s not even the core business from the owner. Google already owns the classroom where Apple once dominated. I’ve heard rumors they also want to design their own silicon. Seeing the pace and success I don’t see Apple can handle even more innovation pressure. It’s lagging that in today’s offerings.
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Tim Cook Insists Merging Mac and iPad Would Result in Compromises
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The idea that an iPad is not a computer is laughable. A lot of people on here seem to think coding is the only reason people need computers.
True. But coding and/or media editing are not the only things that people use computers for in the XXI century. They are used - in all their forms - to stream workflow and help in life in general. It’s much deeper than many posters here believe.
I’m not focused on the advantages of having two devices I’m focused on the advantage of having one device. And really, I think people need to get over the concept of what “heavy” is, we’re no longer in the days of Compaqs and PowerBooks. Eh, what do I know, I backsquat significantly heavy weights so people have different definitions of heavy.
Yes, unfortunately it is. There are lots of business application not available for the Mac. I once thought a macmini would be the perfect business computer. But since there hasn’t been an update in years and Apple still charges very high prices for ancient hardware. The case of Apple taking over the business world is gone.
No reliable roadmap and high prices make it a bad investment for business. And even the creative business Apple once dominated has left Apple.
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I agree. But for a real computer Apple isn’t unfortunately the shop to go anymore.
If with “real computer” you mean something powerful that is at the leading edge of computing (for the masses), I do agree with you. Apple is lacking.
Tim Cook’s concept is not wrong. I mostly use my iPP 12” and I am more productive than ever, both at work and in my family things. HOWEVER, if he really wants to keep iOS on one side and macOS on the other, he needs to provide power; and I mean real power, stuff for heavy gamers and programmers and media artists. Right now the offer is between a very good portable “streamlining” device with iOS, and a half baked laptop.
Thats hilarious, because the Macs are already loaded with more and more compromises... No more battery level indicator on the outside or even a charging indicator light, no more magsafe... battery life is awful because #thinness. RAM is limited because of battery life because of #thinness. Have to carry around a bag full of dongles because they only have one connector. no touch screen because they dont want to cut into ipad sales... No audio in jack. No IR. No upgradability... no repairability... keyboards that are destroyed by a speck of dust... compromise after compromise after compromise.
Yep.
Make iOS for iPad better and more poweful for the people who want to go that route. But keep the Mac has a desktop computer and do not, under any circumstances add an unergonmic awful touch screen UI to it and those woeful tablet/laptop hybrids, they're garbage.
I'm glad Tim isn't do the silly thing of creating a stupid jack of all trade product, too many people want that crap - go to Acer they'll make it for you.
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Some good points but.
Haven't missed it one bit, not had it for 18 months now. Prefer being able to use any USB-C charging cable and plugging into any port. I did buy a USB-C Magsafe connector, but don't bother using it, I prefer not having it, it stays in when I need it and USB-C pulls out if you tug it anyway, i'm also not a clumsy f***
Utter nonsense.
This is only true if they give both platforms the attention that is needed. Which kind of isn't the case.
everything he says is so artificial. it's always like generated by a software from a template.
I do think the Mac mini and the Apple TV should merge into one device and that one could have a tvOS app that runs on macOS.
They make a good laptop. Maybe not a great one. The problem is their pricing model is for insanely great laptops.
Apple has more than enough R&D money... build another excellent team, build one, sell it, and see what happens. The people will let you know if they think a combo device is good. Personally, I don't think you can replace a laptop with a combo device, but I would love an iPad capable of running a more advanced OS, similar to macOS. I carry both my iPad and MBP everyday, so an enhanced iPad would be cool.
If Apple wants to keep people going for iOS they really need to also demand more from 3rd party developers while at the same time offering them more tools. The file system is still a convoluted mess that doesn't work in an intuitive way, many apps don't work with split screen view (including many Google apps - it's a crap shoot which ones work and which ones don't and there is no good reason why) so that should be a requirement from Apple for everything but games.
OSX is great because it also allows 3rd party developers to augment its features. Software like Hyperdock or Bettertouchtool just aren't possible on iOS.
As a programmer I would love if I could use iOS for work. All it would need is to be able to run NodeJS locally, have one decent IDE and have support for a damn mouse! Apart from the IDE these are all things Apple could do if they relinquished some of their control over the platform.
OSX is great because it also allows 3rd party developers to augment its features. Software like Hyperdock or Bettertouchtool just aren't possible on iOS.
As a programmer I would love if I could use iOS for work. All it would need is to be able to run NodeJS locally, have one decent IDE and have support for a damn mouse! Apart from the IDE these are all things Apple could do if they relinquished some of their control over the platform.
The notion of a difference is becoming ironic given the convergence simply of size. The original iPad was 13.4mm thick and the current 13" MacBook Pro is 14.9mm thick. The weight is still different, though the MacBook Pro has more case work, a full keyboard, etc. Chip sets seem to be one of if not the most significant engineering differences between the devices.
I'd love to see a MacBook Pro in a tablet format.
I'd love to see a MacBook Pro in a tablet format.
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Indeed. Currently, many UI "innovations" as of lately simply have been cross-platform harmonisation, which is how both platforms got aligned in the first place.
So what’s the consistency with Cook’s position ?
Think of the Dock on the iPad, LaunchPad on the Mac, Siri, the Finder-alike Files app. Key combinations such as ⌘-C, X, V and ⌘ tab for switching between apps.
And those so-called "universal binaries": what is the bigger idea behind that ?
Do they even know what they want at Apple?
There is - as Cook apparently recognises - a clear need for a convert: a MacBook with a touch interface. How simple that could be made has already been demonstrated by 3rd parties.
Especially Apple - when reluctant for disruptive innovation - is smart enough to launch a crippled version of such a device in the first instance to test it in the market, so that Mac sales does not have to suffer from that.
But let’s keep everything as it is...arrrgggh
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MS are chained to legacy because they work in, for, and with enterprise.
They do the best they can considering that constraint and have done an amazing job of it. As I said, Windows is now *really* good in a way that MacOS used to be and no longer is. It's like Freaky Friday.
The alternative path is to thumb your nose at enterprise and then stick your finger in its' eye. Then hold it down and poop in it's mouth, then steal its' girlfriend and become facebook friends with its' Mom. Which is Apple's brilliant revenue-generating scheme.
No roadmaps, no feature stability, no manageability, no predictable hardware cycles, no broad-appeal hardware. Offer a workstation for awhile then stop offering a workstation with no explanation. Sell things but don't support them. Sell things but don't sell replacement parts for htem. Make weird, objectively bad laptops at Warren Buffett pricing and phase out normal laptops. Sell 4-year-old hardware as new. Sell 6-year-old hardware as new.
That has been Apple's strategy forand it has ensured that they never have to deal with enterprise users or enterprise developers. And also ensured that they have never gotten past single-digit market penetration, ever.
I was an Apple fanboy to the bone from 1999 through...well it started to taper off alarmingly in the early-2010's. And here I am saying I wish they would act more like Microsoft?
I mean SHEESH. What have they become?
Wow. You can tell by looking?
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That sums it up quite well, to behave exactly like a real pencil. And that’s what it does.
SIGH!!!! Cook is missing the point. Make the iOS version available when not hooked to a keyboard. When keyboard is connected then it is full OS. And you could have access to iOS when hooked into keyboard. They would be two different operating systems running in a shell or something of that nature. Since everything lives in the cloud any documents you were working in iOS that has a Mac counter part can be opened in that mac app. And visa versa. AND there will be mac only and iOS only apps. That's ok. It makes sense. Not every app has to be in every mode. It's expected.
Easy!
Easy!