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Well when you compare him to say Sony's CEO (especially when Sony is "broke") and hardly anyone in the news talks much about Dell anymore, and HP is what it is...which doesn't say much and Microsoft's previous leader was screwing up the company royally. Then there's Exxon Mobile who used to be the worlds most valuable company. Jobs wasn't even able to get Apple to top that.
With Tim Cook running the show Apple is now the most valuable company worldwide. I would say the title of "World's Greatest Leader" is pretty spot on.

What a joke. Apple already had a selection of hot products out. Those products haven’t gone through that many changes under Tims watch - all he has to do to an extent is ride the wave.
I’m pretty sure that there are plenty of people that work for smaller companies or maybe even organisations that aren’t commercial interests as such that have, relatively speaking, done more and done it better.
This fool and his phone are in the news a lot and were in the news a lot before he took the helm which is why we are all blinded by him.

Seriously, you don’t think that there are people that have done more, with less, than he?
 
Progression?????
More like he saw market share degrading and thought to himself, "Hey, let's copy that phone maker that has good ideas."
At Apple, when they steal ideas, they NEVER mention the company in which they stole from but make vague references.

The genie bottle is bone dry.

Actually that's a good point.

For so many years I thought the GUI operating system and the mouse were all Apple inventions. But with the way SJ made it sound, it was all him and Woz. ;)
 
Tim Cook understands what equality is more than most people in this planet. He doesn't hide the subject (Like MR does with it's PRSI forum). His idea is people are equal, there would be no black rights or gay rights or any other specialists rights movements as every minority group would be treated equally as everyone else.

Not many people are as willing at Tim Cook is to treat everyone equally. And I respect Tim Cook a lot for this.

Yes, treat every body equally.
Ok, moving production to another company so that you can escape a high wage bill is treating people equally?
If I send you something to repair for me, (excluding shipping), I should expect that if you are doing the same job I’ll pay you the same money.
Similarly if you look to buy a product or service from me should I massage the price depending on where you come from and what you are used to paying?

He is playing the game, don’t lose sight of how money makes us change our values.
 
I like what he's done in some areas but not in others.

Likey:
- Smaller iPad
- Larger iPhone
- Opening up iOS (albeit slowly)
- Settled lawsuits, and also he's not so trigger-happy on the suing front

Not so likey:
- Mac revisions slower than their predecessors
- Soldered RAM
- Removal of functionality just so they can be thinner
- Drop in level of quality control on software and hardware

How do you measure that last one? It's nothing new. You may just not remember some of the older problems. Your other complaints also started under Jobs, so I think these are things that have transcended CEOs. I even think the larger iPhone would have happened under Jobs. He was good at convincing people that whatever Apple wanted to do at that time was the right thing to do.
 
Yes, treat every body equally.
Ok, moving production to another company so that you can escape a high wage bill is treating people equally?
If I send you something to repair for me, (excluding shipping), I should expect that if you are doing the same job I’ll pay you the same money.
Similarly if you look to buy a product or service from me should I massage the price depending on where you come from and what you are used to paying?

He is playing the game, don’t lose sight of how money makes us change our values.

You are blaming him for another company's issues. You need to start having a go at Foxconn. They are the ones who directly deal with your issue.
 
Great at what? He's not technical nor visionary and lacks coherent public speaking skills. He's simply a logistics person with expertise in cutting corners to increase profit. That I'll give him credit for.
 
Taylor Swift is #6. I don't know what to make of this list.

Didn't you know? Both are heads of states, hence they qualify to be on the list of "greatest leaders". It seems to be yet another popularity contest, but nothing that should be taken seriously by anyone.

I remember a time when IBM was the most valuable company in the world and an entire industry was scared to death of them. Then came the time when Microsoft was the shiniest star in the sky. Then the Internet entered everybody's home and we could watch the rise of Google and Facebook. Now Apple finally has its moment of glory. But all empires eventually crumble, and especially in the technology sector things always change over night.
 
I dunno about "world's greatest," (although, at the moment, I'm at a bit of a loss to say who else might qualify) but I think he's a good guy with a tough job I'd never want to have. To pile his sexual orientation on top of that in today's polarized political climate (at least in the US) is commendable, but I'm not sure I'd want him running our country. Well... never say never.
 
This result is based on how much money Apple has made under Cook's stewardship. We shouldn't be driven by money/greed. How about the best CEO in business being the one who helps reduce poverty, famine, etc.
Cook is doing a decent job, he's improving environmental issues by reducing Apple's footprint which is far better than most companies. Just wish we didn't view money as our gauge for how successful a person or business is, there are far more important things.

some have a better platform than others to do (good).What is the point of all of apples money if they don't use it for good?

Spot on.

Don't think TC will feel very comfortable at No.1 while Bill and Melinda Gates languish at No.18 with the following achievements:
It has been 15 years since the husband-and-wife team began their philanthropic mission to eradicate preventable diseases in developing nations. Since then their foundation has doled out nearly $33 billion in grants and made stunning progress toward its goals. New cases of malaria have decreased 25%, and after a Gates-backed vaccination campaign, India said in 2014 it was polio-free.

Maybe if he persuaded Apple to:

1) Pay the same tax as other businesses do in the countries they trade in to ensure fair competition and help poor countries with their GNP.

2)Lower the price of Apple products so poorer people can benefit - and discount prices instead of increasing them by over 20% when inflation is low, currency fluctuations have been ironed out and the OS/iOS has been riddled with performance issues.

3) Promptly acknowledge and sort out fixes to problems their products have relating to hardware/software, preferably before people have to resort to legal action.

If his environmental stance inspires other industrial CEO's to implement urgent planet-saving measures - then he will have done something truly significant.
 
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I was pessimistic at first, but I'm slowly starting to become a believer. I'm not sure I'd go as far as to say he's the world's greatest leader, but I do believe he is a darn good one. He doesn't need to have all the answers himself - he just needs to be able to get the best out of his people.

He's different from Jobs in many ways, but that's OK. We've always thought of Apple in a Jobs-centric way. Maybe its time to start to think different?

The hardest part about being a great leader is knowing what you don't know. And while I think in his later years Jobs became better at that, he did appear to attempt to directly take part in all facets of the business even those outside the purview of his expertise. Cook on the other hand is probably a better leader, if slightly less of a genius because he seems to let the staff do what they do best while managing the overall arc of the business.
 
Tim's a bit dull when it comes to keynote time, but I've no doubt he's a good person and, more importantly, the right person, to be holding the Apple reins.

Just get ol' Craigy to do more presentations, please.
 
I think we all do, some have a better platform than others to do that. What I'm saying is money should not be the driving force and yet it seems that's what it is. I'm not having a go a cook either, just want more people to be aware that more money isn't the goal. Reducing poverty, global warming, destruction of habitats etc are all more important.

What is the point of all of apples money if they don't use it for good?

http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/27/technology/tim-cook-wealth-charity-fortune/index.html I think you'd be happy with this then.
 
Didn't you know? Both are heads of states, hence they qualify to be on the list of "greatest leaders". It seems to be yet another popularity contest, but nothing that should be taken seriously by anyone.

I remember a time when IBM was the most valuable company in the world and an entire industry was scared to death of them. Then came the time when Microsoft was the shiniest star in the sky. Then the Internet entered everybody's home and we could watch the rise of Google and Facebook. Now Apple finally has its moment of glory. But all empires eventually crumble, and especially in the technology sector things always change over night.

Well, all those business that have been at or near the top for a long time in tech GE, IBM, MS, Intel, Bell (if you put all the split up firms together, or even separately), HP and Apple (all are in the top 20 of those type of firms), they're not in perdition... Another group attained higher highs, but were not at the top : Xerox, TI (both are still top 50 tech firms with 30K+ employees).

- IBM was massive in the 1960s to early 1980s in tech, Apple is no where that dominant in tech, or in its industry. Probably no company ever will be that dominant again.
- GE, is extraordinarily diversified and is a 120 year old company (the ultimate in early tech).
- MS and Apple started within months of each other nearly 40 years ago.
- Intel was created by a bunch of Fairchild (led by Shockley. transistor creator) defector, led by Noyce and Moore. So, many of the top players of Fairchild went to create Intel that it could be considered essentially the same company... Most of silicon valley's talent emerged from Fairchild (It and HP, are two major landmark firms that steered the valley's destiny).

So, even if Apple wanes from near the top... Tech firms are actually a lot more resilient than they may seem at first... Once they get going, they can last a hell of a long time. Other top worldwide tech firms, Siemens, Boeing, etc. All been running around a very long time.

What has always made Apple vulnerable is the fact that it sells consumer goods in the retail sphere. There even high end cars, were margins are a bit higher only get 10-15%, they're still not at Apple level. Luxury and specialized goods are the only ones with Apple like margins. Apple has put itself in a unique position as a luxury for the masses product in every segment it has entered.

In the retail sphere, most of the revenues eventually come from commoditized products or services (that's already the case in PCs and now the mobile industry); the pressure on Apple to innovate, offer something more than the rest, is very high. They have to always improve or their margins and their dominant position in the high end of tech.

That's the same reason Google and Facebook will always have problems if they stay were they are and they don't create massively new products outside their current niches.
 
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Actually that's a good point.

For so many years I thought the GUI operating system and the mouse were all Apple inventions. But with the way SJ made it sound, it was all him and Woz. ;)

Next you'll be saying that Apple/SJ invented the mouse...

The ARC became the driving force behind the design and development of the oN-Line System (NLS). He and his team developed computer interface elements such as bitmapped screens, the mouse, hypertext, collaborative tools, and precursors to the graphical user interface.[24] He conceived and developed many of his user interface ideas in the mid-1960s, long before the personal computer revolution, at a time when most computers were inaccessible to individuals who could only use computers through intermediaries (see batch processing), and when software tended to be written for vertical applications in proprietary systems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart
 
Tim Cook has done a stellar job and I'm happy and thrilled about whatever they may have in the pipeline.
But "World's Greatest Leader" ??? That's a very broad and lofty title to give someone.

Think about what's going on in the world today - not just your small corner. And think about what would be needed to drive positive change.
Someone taking steps to change that would be "world's greatest leader." Not someone in charge of a multi-billion dollar company.

World's Greatest [Business] Leader - he's definitely better than most.
 
You are blaming him for another company's issues. You need to start having a go at Foxconn. They are the ones who directly deal with your issue.

No I’m not, and you are justifying his behaviour.

He could bring production 'home' and pay the workers a fair wage. He chooses to farm the labour out and reap massive profits. Understandable as he’s trying to run a business and make as much money as possible. I’m not for one minute suggesting anybody else is different. I’m saying just see it for what it is.
Apple have enough clout with their suppliers to demand what they want. They could quite easily demand higher wages for them.
 
Next you'll be saying that Apple/SJ invented the mouse...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart

You misunderstood 63Dot:
Originally Posted by 63dot View Post
Actually that's a good point.

For so many years I thought the GUI operating system and the mouse were all Apple inventions. But with the way SJ made it sound, it was all him and Woz.

He/she said, in other words, "I believed Apple invented the GUI and mouse because Steve and Woz convinced me, even though it wasn't true and I know that now."

Dale
 
You misunderstood 63Dot:


He/she said, in other words, "I believed Apple invented the GUI and mouse because Steve and Woz convinced me, even though it wasn't true and I know that now."

Dale

Sarcasm doesn't come across sometimes across a post.
I'll put a [/sarcasm] tag next time. :)
 
What a joke. Apple already had a selection of hot products out. Those products haven’t gone through that many changes under Tims watch - all he has to do to an extent is ride the wave.
I’m pretty sure that there are plenty of people that work for smaller companies or maybe even organisations that aren’t commercial interests as such that have, relatively speaking, done more and done it better.
This fool and his phone are in the news a lot and were in the news a lot before he took the helm which is why we are all blinded by him.

Seriously, you don’t think that there are people that have done more, with less, than he?

Except if Cook were a lesser leader then he could have easily screwed up things in these 4 years. Most of their profits come from smartphones and it's a fiercely competitive space where a company could be on top today and gone tomorrow. He could've given in to all the clowns clamoring for a budget iPhone to combat Android marketshare dominance, he could've brought OS X to the iPad and cannibalized Mac sales, he could've introduced a giant screen iPhone in 2012 instead of 2014, he could be acquiring way more companies and giving out larger dividends/stock buybacks as demanded by Icahn and some others, etc.

Just because a company is hot at the moment doesn't mean they can't fail tomorrow. Look at Samsung, peaked a couple of years ago and now on the decline. The Sony example was spot on as well. In the 1990s and early 2000s Sony was damn near invincible. It only takes a few bad decisions by leadership to drop a once hot company and its products.

For all that "riding of the wave" he's done, with all the pressure and scrutiny this company is under he could have easily driven Apple to the ground by now.
 
Tim Cook has done a stellar job and I'm happy and thrilled about whatever they may have in the pipeline.
But "World's Greatest Leader" ??? That's a very broad and lofty title to give someone.

Think about what's going on in the world today - not just your small corner. And think about what would be needed to drive positive change.
Someone taking steps to change that would be "world's greatest leader." Not someone in charge of a multi-billion dollar company.

World's Greatest [Business] Leader - he's definitely better than most.

It's the nature of our world. We hand out titles all the time:

  • The Father of Our Country
  • The Godfather of Soul
  • The King of Pop
  • Sexiest Man Alive
  • Best Actress in a Leading Role
  • The Queen of Country
  • Queen Latifah
  • The Greatest American Hero
  • America's Funniest Home Videos
  • The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel

We can't take it too seriously. These are given by other people, and they may not agree with our favorites (though our favorites are just as arbitrary, if not more so).

I guess we could just give every one a ribbon for participating, and call it a day.
 
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