Tim Cook on Apple Watch: 'You're Going to Wind Up Charging It Daily'

FrankB1191 said:
I know plenty of 30-somethings who can't wait to get an iWatch. I get the impression that don't give a damn what it does, or that it would need to be charged every night. My taste in watches runs in another direction, so it won't be on my wrist, but that's not to say it won't make a lot of people happy....
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I'm with you, and not planning to buy the 1st generation Apple watch. I just don't see the value for the money (yet). I own an iPhone 6, an iPad Air, and a 2013 Macbook Pro. I even have an Apple TV that I never use. Needless to say, I love Apple stuff. I just don't see the value here, however. If it were $99, I might pick one up. $349? For something that adds very little new functionality, that's just nuts. Like most of you, I make decent money, but I'm no millionaire.
 
B2k1977 said:
I'm sure that's all J. Ive and not so much Tim.
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Why would you say that? From a design standpoint it doesn't look like the mini changed much at all. All the changes were internal. Wouldn't those decisions be made by hardware engineering?

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samcraig said:
You are splitting hairs because you knew what I was asking and getting at. I said "I might have missed this in the reviews - but how long does a full charge take on the Apple watch. That should be part of the equation if you're going to gripe."

So no reviews. But rather than harp on the fact there are no reviews (who gives a flying fig) you could simply state that so far - there's been no discussion on how long it takes to charge.

Hey I get it - you're fired up tonight. And I am sure I didn't help by calling you out on your comment that apple would NEVER release a watch that only had one day worth of battery.
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No you said you must have missed it in the reviews and I said there weren't any reviews. There's not been a lot of discussion on anything watch related since no one has been able to use the device yet. As far as battery life if I did say that then I was wrong obviously. Though I still think Cook might be low balling estimates to make the true battery life look better.

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Aloft085 said:
I'm with you, and not planning to buy the 1st generation Apple watch. I just don't see the value for the money (yet). I own an iPhone 6, an iPad Air, and a 2013 Macbook Pro. I even have an Apple TV that I never use. Needless to say, I love Apple stuff. I just don't see the value here, however. If it were $99, I might pick one up. $349? For something that adds very little new functionality, that's just nuts. Like most of you, I make decent money, but I'm no millionaire.
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Are there any Android Wear watches selling for $99?
 
B2k1977 said:
I read something about Jobs giving Ive tenure or something to that effect. He has full creative freedom he can basically do whatever he wants without being checked by anyone else in the company. So to answer your questions I guess yea, because I don't think Tim is very involved in product design, he's more of a business guy.
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There is nothing Jobs, as CEO, could do that Cook, as CEO, couldn't undo.
 
Keirasplace said:
You do understand that god damn use makes a difference don'T you? Seriously, I'm tired of this playing with words and being obtuse.

Galaxy gear, especially the initial models were ridiculously inefficient (just like the crappy 360 (especially pre update)) even if they are big as boats. So, they did little and got gassed... Are you going to defend that? Nobody would, not even those that actually bought them.

If you do NOTHING, anything can last a day.

IF I play intensive FPS shooter games, I will kill all phones fast (a few hours), that's a given.

He's saying people will use it so much they'll need to charge it if they want to available the next day. That's it. That's the extent of what was said.

How much use is that? We will have to see it when it arrives. Apple has a tendency to under promise and over deliver (like promising 10h in the Air and giving 14, or 10h in the Air 2 and giving almost 12h).

The key in what he said is, IT WILL BE DEAD FROM HIGH LEVEL OF USE. Not dead after being babied all day like the Moto 360.
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It looks like I struck a nerve. :eek: Relax! Of course every non Apple product is junk!
 
Can't say I am surprised about the (low) battery life. When you look at recent developments in the mobile sector, one could not expect Apple to pull out a magical device which lasts significantly longer than the competition. Otherwise we would see a much better battery life on devices like the iPhone 6.

Looking at the relative thickness of this thing, one could see that there were trying already relatively hard to cramp in as much battery as they possibly could. Compared to the skinny iPhones and iPads (front area vs. thickness), this thing must cause Sir Ive almost sleepless nights. Too bad he can't track his nightmares with his :apple: Watch without charging it in the evening :p

samcraig said:
I'm sorry/not sorry - but since someone posted the link later in this thread, I went and re-read some comment. Yours struck me as funny now..

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17830973/

"Seriously, this is why we don't have a smart watch/wearables device from Apple yet. They would never release one that got a day (or less) battery life."
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Ha Ha Ha, great find!

I'm also not surprised, but still laughing nevertheless how Rogifan flipped and changed his opinion about the battery life. Brilliant stuff :D

But then again, he also said about the iPhone 6 leaks that:

Rogifan said:
I've said before if the final product looks exactly like the leaks we've seen I will sell my Apple stock.
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:p
 
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Rogifan said:
Or how about providing a quote from someone who scorned phablets but now says the 6 Plus is the best thing ever. I hate when people throw out mass generalizations or make absurd claims in some silly effort to prove hypocrisy.
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I think the main issue is that certain people are socially challenged by the presence of many different opinions expressed by many different individuals online. I have a hard time respecting them but I'll avoid the term "troll" :)
 
"You're Going to Wind Up Charging It Daily"

Hey Tim, It's 2014 not 1954.

These things are going to sell well, but not many ppl will actually use them.
 
samcraig said:
Yes - that feature on the new Samsung devices has gone over REALLY well on this forum lol
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I don't think anything Samsung does goes down really well on this forum. Still think it's a handy feature to have though. Not great when your iPhone battery dies and your train ticket is on there. It's a pain to carry backup battery charger everywhere.
 
This is going to be a hard sell to their mass market, aka the sport watch/activity tracker enthusiasts. With non-GPS sport watches/activity trackers lasting much longer and many designed to be worn while you sleep, the non-apple options are looking better.
 
SHNXX said:
Motion would take months to charge one full day of usage (someone did calculations on this forum).

Solar is barely enough for a casio gshock type of a device with single color LCD displaying something like 50 pixels.
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That's not true. There are Casio watches with tons of functions from calendar schedule to multiple sensors like temperature, barometer and more, or analog watches with multiple independent motors for each hand, radio connection to atomic timekeeping and they work forever (they literally don't stop) just with light. They will keep working for several months even in the dark.
 
sebastian... said:
That's not true. There are Casio watches with tons of functions from calendar schedule to multiple sensors like temperature, barometer and more, or analog watches with multiple independent motors for each hand, radio connection to atomic timekeeping and they work forever (they literally don't stop) just with light. They will keep working for several months even in the dark.
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you're comparing the chip inside Casios to the one found in the Apple Watch?

Really?

Also I have several such solar-charged Casio G-shocks.
Even those turn off their screens and will go off after a few months of being in the drawer... and that's with barely doing anything except keeping time.
Can you imagine that chip running any kind of code like the Apple Watch will be asked to?
 
I'm not comparing anything, I've just corrected you and I said that some of the models are more sophisticated than the g-shocks (and much more expensive than the g-shocks). They don't simply just tell time. Barometers and other sensors can use a lot of power.

SHNXX said:
you're comparing the chip inside Casios to the one found in the Apple Watch?

Really?

Also I have several such solar-charged Casio G-shocks.
Even those turn off their screens and will go off after a few months of being in the drawer... and that's with barely doing anything except keeping time.
Can you imagine that chip running any kind of code like the Apple Watch will be asked to?
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sebastian... said:
I'm not comparing anything, I've just corrected you and I said that some of the models are more sophisticated than the g-shocks (and much more expensive than the g-shocks). They don't simply just tell time. Barometers and other sensors can use a lot of power.
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These are still small power requirements compared to a color screen....
Apple watch is packing real computing power.
 
dec. said:
I've read the thread. And this one too. Nobody said that "one day is great". Actually there has been a lot of complaints about a battery not lasting longer than one day in exactly this thread.
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Perhaps no one specifically uttered the words, "one day is great", but many have implied it. Given that the current info we have on the aWatch is that it needs to be charged daily that hasn't stopped people from responding with, "shut up and take my money" and "wish I could pre-order it now!" and other comments of eager anticipation.

If they are that enthusiastic about a device that has to be charged daily then it is safe to say that at the very least that it is a non-issue.

All that to say, yeah... there's hyperbole on both sides of the argument.
 
SHNXX said:
These are still small power requirements compared to a color screen....
Apple watch is packing real computing power.
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I have to chuckle at the day when an Apple fan uses "but is has more power, obviously it has lower battery life" as a line of reasoning. It just screams irony.
 
Keirasplace said:
The Android equivalent has a slower less efficient SOC (Apple made a custom SOC... No one else did that), so it can't do more.

IT is Impossible since they :
- Got the same screen tech
- The same comm chips
- The same battery tech
- IOS is also reknowed for being thrifty on resources

If this watches does EXACTLY the same as the android ones, it will last longer. If you use it MORE, of course it won't last as long. Seriously, people like you are massively obtuse.

BTW, Android solutions are ALL 50% bigger in volume than the Apple solution

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The key in what he said is, IT WILL BE DEAD FROM HIGH LEVEL OF USE. Not dead after being babied all day like the Moto 360.
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Are they really ALL 50% bigger in volume?

There doesn't appear to be anything the S1 can do that the SD400 (and probably OMAP3) can't do as far as I can tell (feature wise). Power wise, the screen uses the most power followed by the radio.

As far as I can tell, the Moto360 should now last all day (~16 hours) under heavy use*, with light use a day and a half is doable.

*ambient mode == off; with it on it is possible to kill the battery much faster.

Besides hasn't Apple already confirmed that we won't get ambient mode on the Apple Watch? so right off the bat the use case will be different (since most Android Wear devices have Ambient Mode on by default).
 
Michael Goff said:
I have to chuckle at the day when an Apple fan uses "but is has more power, obviously it has lower battery life" as a line of reasoning. It just screams irony.
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I think you have to compare apples to apples, no pun intended.

Comparing the Apple Watch to the Samsung Gear or even the Microsoft Band is somewhat of a fair comparison but comparing the Apple watch to either an automatic watch that lasts as long as the rotors and gears turn or a monochrome display watch like any Casio is not fair.
 
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