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I think you have to compare apples to apples, no pun intended.

Comparing the Apple Watch to the Samsung Gear or even the Microsoft Band is somewhat of a fair comparison but comparing the Apple watch to either an automatic watch that lasts as long as the rotors and gears turn or a monochrome display watch like any Casio is not fair.

Somewhat fair?
 
Somewhat fair?

Well I just think comparing power requirements of a fitness band to a full-blown "smart watch" is not fair.

For instance, Samsung has that hideously big smart watch that also works as a phone.
It has a very short battery life but that's totally understandable.
 
24 hours is pointless. You get up today at 8am with a freshly charged watch. You use it for 24 hours and get up tomorrow at 8am when it just runs out of battery.

You want at least 16 and possibly 23 hours. Beyond that, the next useful amount is 40 or possibly 47 hours so you can charge every second day. 24 or 30 hours is pointless.

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That works for a watch that does nothing than moving one very light digit around in a circle. It doesn't work if you have an LED display that needs to emit light.

How is it pointless? What if I happen to work a double shift? What if its the weekend and I'm out late in NYC after taking the train in. I end up partying a little longer and miss the last train out to NJ. Now I'm stuck in the city until 5am or later. By time I get home its well after 6am. You are telling me 24 hours is pointless? Ha! You are the exact reason why companies push sub par battery life and consumers accept it.

24 hours is minimal at best. 48 hours should be the "standard" in watch battery technology for "smart watches" considering it does less than half of what a smart phone can do.

Hope your watch battery dies when you need it most.
 
Are they really ALL 50% bigger in volume?

There doesn't appear to be anything the S1 can do that the SD400 (and probably OMAP3) can't do as far as I can tell (feature wise). Power wise, the screen uses the most power followed by the radio.

As far as I can tell, the Moto360 should now last all day (~16 hours) under heavy use*, with light use a day and a half is doable.

*ambient mode == off; with it on it is possible to kill the battery much faster.

Besides hasn't Apple already confirmed that we won't get ambient mode on the Apple Watch? so right off the bat the use case will be different (since most Android Wear devices have Ambient Mode on by default).

No one I know is close to using Moto360 in heavy use for a whole day. Must be living in some alternate dimension, or has a very special view of what heavy use means.

The small apple watch main body has around 10.4 mm plus 2mm for a 30mm dimeter protusion. The Moto360 has 46mm diameter and 11.5 m thick.

The Moto360 would need to be 8.3mm thick to have the same volume as the smallest Apple watch. So, the smallest watch is 39% smaller. The bigger one is much closer in volume to the Moto360 but still slightly smaller.

I'm guessing the bigger watch will have a battery life last longer than the smaller one. If the small one lasts all day, then that would mean the bigger one would last 20-30% longer; which would be very good.

I'm pretty sure that if you want the watch face to always show, the Apple watch will oblige and yes, you will have to live with the reduced battery time,. The Amoled screen and a dark background will help though.

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How is it pointless? What if I happen to work a double shift? What if its the weekend and I'm out late in NYC after taking the train in. I end up partying a little longer and miss the last train out to NJ. Now I'm stuck in the city until 5am or later. By time I get home its well after 6am. You are telling me 24 hours is pointless? Ha! You are the exact reason why companies push sub par battery life and consumers accept it.

24 hours is minimal at best. 48 hours should be the "standard" in watch battery technology for "smart watches" considering it does less than half of what a smart phone can do.

Hope your watch battery dies when you need it most.

You do realize that he's talking about heavy use... If your not using heavily during all that time, you'll get your two days. Right now I can kill an Ipad air in 4-6h playing a first person shooter, yet most times I won't need to be recharged every day; only every 2-3 days. Why? Because that's not a typical use, and we all know that if it is used that way the battery will not last the day.

Use and efficiency of the tablet is what deterimines the ultimate limit of how long your device will last.
 
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No one I know is close to using Moto360 in heavy use for a whole day. Must be living in some alternate dimension, or has a very special view of what heavy use means.

The small apple watch main body has around 10.4 mm plus 2mm for a 30mm dimeter protusion. The Moto360 has 46mm diameter and 11.5 m thick.

The Moto360 would need to be 8.3mm thick to have the same volume as the smallest Apple watch. So, the smallest watch is 39% smaller. The bigger one is much closer in volume to the Moto360 but still slightly smaller.

I'm guessing the bigger watch will have a battery life last longer than the smaller one. If the small one lasts all day, then that would mean the bigger one would last 20-30% longer; which would be very good.

I'm pretty sure that if you want the watch face to always show, the Apple watch will oblige and yes, you will have to live with the reduced battery time,. The Amoled screen and a dark background will help though.

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You do realize that he's talking about heavy use... If your not using heavily during all that time, you'll get your two days. Right now I can kill an Ipad air in 4-6h playing a first person shooter, yet most times I won't need to be recharged every day; only every 2-3 days. Why? Because that's not a typical use, and we all know that if it is used that way the battery will not last the day.

Use and efficiency of the tablet is what deterimines the ultimate limit of how long your device will last.

What is heavy use for a SmartWatch, I suppose that question needs to be answered. I am not sure why some people get really bad battery life with the Moto360. On connectedly there are folks saying they are getting a full day with tons of battery to spare with always on off and the latest update.
 
So it'll be pretty much useless for sleep tracking, since most people will need to charge it every night.

It's really getting annoying that people keep saying "I can't do sleep tracking so I won't be buying this" It's a smart-WATCH that has some health functionality and does much much more than that, though not as much as many such as myself would like (e.g. 2 solid days of battery life and built in GPS even if it just tracks the location data points and needs the phone to interpret/map them after, at a minimum), and is relatively fashionable, the Pebble Steel isn't shabby but limited functionality, compared to a plastic fitness band which many of them do sleep tracking.

If you are having so much trouble sleeping go see a doctor since there may be something wrong that a fitness band it's going to tell you.
 
What is heavy use for a SmartWatch, I suppose that question needs to be answered. I am not sure why some people get really bad battery life with the Moto360. On connectedly there are folks saying they are getting a full day with tons of battery to spare with always on off and the latest update.

I'll be honest, these people are blatant liars or they don't know what they're saying about use; the tech of the chips, the battery and their use doesn't match any possible reality.
 
If you are having so much trouble sleeping go see a doctor since there may be something wrong that a fitness band it's going to tell you.

It's not so much the sleep tracking as the ability for it to act as a sleep cycle alarm clock that wakes you as you're emerging from deep sleep, which has been proven to improve alertness.

You can currently do this with an iPhone, but it requires burying it in the bed sheets, which is not always safe for a device that can get warm, and it's not always effective for people who have sleep partners or who allow pets to sleep on the bed. Something physically attached to the sleeper is more effective.
 
I'm not sure what folks were expecting. They are bound by current battery technologies just like everyone else. I'm sure the engineers are doing the best they can with what they have.

*shrug*

But but I thought it was Apple…
 
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