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that's a bold statement

I'd say Apple and Tim's hubris are getting annoying along with their lack of anything released in 2014 that would qualify as belonging to their "best product pipeline in 25 years" last year.
 
When your phones running low after a day at work and you're headed straight out, you can bring a charger to the office. If people have to do the same for their watch, that will be a pain.

One extra charging cable with a tiny disc smaller than the watch which will share your iPhone's wall adapter?

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Does that really qualify as a "pain"?
 
Until someone gets their hands on one and tears it down, we won't know how much is filled with battery.

Also, we don't know how much power it uses. The custom OS seems to be designed to use as little power as possible to maximise battery life.

So... we don't actually *know* anything.

I'm also curious about a comment Jony Ive made last year at an awards dinner interview. He said someone on the team was using the alarm feature (with the taptic engine) to silently wake him up without waking up his wife or baby. Makes me wonder then if the charging time isn't that long and you would be able to charge it before going to bed. And maybe Cook's comments are assuming most people will take the watch off before they go to bed and it will charge while they're sleeping. Of course that doesn't mean it takes the whole night to charge.
 
Even better would be to have a Lightning port in the disc so you could use the same cable.

Or even more better, skip the MagSafe disc altogether and charge directly with a Lightning port in the side of the watch itself - - especially since the Lightning port was already designed to be waterproof.
 
Until someone gets their hands on one and tears it down, we won't know how much is filled with battery.

Also, we don't know how much power it uses. The custom OS seems to be designed to use as little power as possible to maximise battery life.

So... we don't actually *know* anything.

If it was all battery you would not get more than a day.
 
I'd say Apple and Tim's hubris are getting annoying along with their lack of anything released in 2014 that would qualify as belonging to their "best product pipeline in 25 years" last year.

This is 2015 right? So, that means the iPhone 6 and 6 plus came out in 2014 which are today, the best selling smartphones ever. I guess you're right... 2014 was a horrible year and the product line is lame. :roll eyes:

BTW... I think what you're really wanting is what many people want... they want Apple to do something as significant as the iPhone 1.0 was. I too keep waiting to see when that's going to happen again. Maybe it never will? That was truly an industry changing product and a hard act to follow.
 
One extra charging cable with a tiny disc smaller than the watch which will share your iPhone's wall adapter?

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Does that really qualify as a "pain"?

Yes it is. I have my MBP cable, my iPhone cable and my iPad cable and now if i was to buy this gimmick watch cable. Unless my math is wrong the cables just continue to pile up.
 
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Pity the rest of the :apple:Watch isn't very waterproof. :D

No watch is waterproof, there are only varying degrees of water resistance, and based on Apple's promotional pictures, they seem to have a fairly high level of confidence in the Apple Watch's water resistance.

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Pity the rest of the :apple:Watch isn't very waterproof. :D

On paper, that seems like it will be my only complaint. While one day battery is worse than what I am use to, with a pebble, I have no problem charging once a day.

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No watch is waterproof, there are only varying degrees of water resistance, and based on Apple's promotional pictures, they seem to have a fairly high level of confidence in the Apple Watch's water resistance.

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my pebble works up to 3m deep. I very much consider that waterproof as would others. I am almost certain you cannot run the applewatch under water to clean it. It is about as water resistant as a phone.
 
If it was all battery you would not get more than a day.

I guess you are not an engineer. You seem to be so sure but have no idea what is technically possible. There are many ways to optimize battery life to go beyond what is currently on the market. Other currently available products are no indication of what a still not released product can do.

In addition, the reported 19 hours are just a rumor and it is unknown under which conditions those 19 hours would be achieved: heavy, mid or light use. Tim Cook says he uses it all the time and that it probably needs to be charged once a day. Sounds enough to charge it overnight, as most people don't wear their watch during the night anyway.

Last but not least. If and when Apple does indicate battery life we could probably trust the numbers. Their other battery life indications are always on the money.
 
And people wonder why Watch doesn't have GPS.

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Isn't there a slight possibility that Apple will low-ball battery estimates to make actual usage looks better?

So you think that Apple is trying to "game" (so to speak) the competition by eliminating functionality to best them on battery life. I say that tongue in cheek. I think Apple will add GPS in the future - whether or not they improve battery life greatly. I do think they (based on the lack of available APIs for developers) are doing everything they can to make sure that at launch, the battery life is as best it can be (best case scenario) for all the reviews and early adopters. I think once people start using the device more and more, they will "accept" less battery life when given greater functionality through apps and V2 with GPS, etc. It's easier to justify :)

Actually, Apple's device are smaller (you can calculate the volume yourself if you have spare time :) than any of the competition, especially the smallest one (about 40% smaller than the Gear). Considering that their chip is custom and possibly on smaller process (except maybe Samsung, on the same) and highly integrated with the OS, going just the same time as the competition with the same usage is improbable. They may not have a big advantage, but there should be some advantage.

It's smaller - but thicker (for example) than the LG G. Everything you said is more or less true. But at the end of the day - I don't believe that equates to "hours" of extra usage. Like I said - all of these similar smart watches are going to run about the same amount of time assuming they are used similarly.
 
No watch is waterproof, there are only varying degrees of water resistance, and based on Apple's promotional pictures, they seem to have a fairly high level of confidence in the Apple Watch's water resistance.

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I'd like a bit more evidence than one of Apple's carefully staged promo photos. ;)

I would hope the Sports model would have a better rating than the others because I would hate to wreck my fancy smart watch just because I've been caught out mountain biking in the wrong sort of rain.
 
I'd like a bit more evidence than one of Apple's carefully staged promo photos. ;)

All will be revealed shortly - - in the meantime, those interested in the Apple Watch at least have this sort of lively discussion to cling to. :)
 
I'd like a bit more evidence than one of Apple's carefully staged promo photos. ;)

I would hope the Sports model would have a better rating than the others because I would hate to wreck my fancy smart watch just because I've been caught out mountain biking in the wrong sort of rain.

So are you buying some extra bags of rice now? Or waiting? ;)
 
I'd like a bit more evidence than one of Apple's carefully staged promo photos. ;)
Yeah, I agree, if you look at the image closely his hands are drenched in water, but his arm is only staged to appear sweaty.

FWIW, the fitbit surge was reported to be water proof up to 5 meter, before it hit the streets. Then afterwards its only water resistant, i.e., don't shower with it on. The MS Band is in the same boat, don't get it too wet.

My point is I don't think I'd be disappointed if the apple watch is along those lines either.
 
I guess you are not an engineer. You seem to be so sure but have no idea what is technically possible. There are many ways to optimize battery life to go beyond what is currently on the market. Other currently available products are no indication of what a still not released product can do.

In addition, the reported 19 hours are just a rumor and it is unknown under which conditions those 19 hours would be achieved: heavy, mid or light use. Tim Cook says he uses it all the time and that it probably needs to be charged once a day. Sounds enough to charge it overnight, as most people don't wear their watch during the night anyway.

Last but not least. If and when Apple does indicate battery life we could probably trust the numbers. Their other battery life indications are always on the money.

Like how the 6 plus lasts longer than the Note 4... Oh wait, it doesn't. Apple had no more tech than the other offerings out there. I think the 19 hour rumor is actually optimistic. This device is meant to be tethered to your iPhone. The tethering aspect alone will nibble at the battery constantly, not only on the watch end, but the phone end as well. I'm hoping they copy Android and utilize turbo charging. My sons phone charges well over half way in 10 minutes, which he says gives him around 8 extra hours of usage.
 
Like how the 6 plus lasts longer than the Note 4... Oh wait, it doesn't. Apple had no more tech than the other offerings out there. I think the 19 hour rumor is actually optimistic. This device is meant to be tethered to your iPhone. The tethering aspect alone will nibble at the battery constantly, not only on the watch end, but the phone end as well. I'm hoping they copy Android and utilize turbo charging. My sons phone charges well over half way in 10 minutes, which he says gives him around 8 extra hours of usage.

I did not say Apple's watch would have longer battery life. My point was that there is now way to determine this if you don't have the actual watch in hand. No matter how well you know products from other manufacturers.
 
I'm still going to wait at least a year before I decide if I want to buy an :apple:Watch. I want to see what all it can do besides track your vitals and health.
 
I did not say Apple's watch would have longer battery life. My point was that there is now way to determine this if you don't have the actual watch in hand. No matter how well you know products from other manufacturers.

Ultimately it's going to be a use case scenario. We'll get benchmarks - but no one but the individual will be able to determine how long it lasts...for them. And that will vary from day to day because that's human nature. There will be days that see high usage (and less battery life) and days will less usage and greater battery life.
 
I'd say Apple and Tim's hubris are getting annoying along with their lack of anything released in 2014 that would qualify as belonging to their "best product pipeline in 25 years" last year.

Record earnings and sales (a fact) would refute your opinion. Consumers have plenty of choices in every product category Apple offers, and often at lower price points. Yet consumers seem to stay attracted to its products. Poor product pipelines do not generate record revenue and growth like the iPhone and Mac lines displayed last year.

I would also say that nearly all of Apple's 2014 products are more powerful than anything it has release in the past 25 years so, again, factually, Apple's statement, as sloganish as it is, is true. Note Apple is not claiming it's the most "innovative," or "unique," or "live changing," only that its better than what came before it. Pretty much true of any successful company's product line. I think you are just annoyed the statement is coming from Apple.
 
Or even more better, skip the MagSafe disc altogether and charge directly with a Lightning port in the side of the watch itself - - especially since the Lightning port was already designed to be waterproof.

I can see the Samsung commercials now showing Apple watch owners sitting around with their watches plugged in and charging while waiting for a flight, during meetings etc.
 
Do you think the iPod would of been so great if the songs were stored on an Apple MacBook which you needed to carry with you, as the music was streamed from the MacBook to the iPod ?

The iPod being in effect a MacBook accessory that did a few bits on it's own, but needed the MacBook to be fully functional.

The iPod was a great stand alone new product in it's own right.
the Apple watch won't be for some time. Perhaps another 2 years?

The Apple Watch stores your music and doesn't need the iPhone for music. Any bluetooth headphones should work great with it.
 
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