Tim Cook Pens Open Letter on Tax Evasion Claims, Says Apple is Confident Decision 'Will be Reversed'

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Tim Cook has posted an open letter on Apple's website in response to the European Commission's ruling that Apple must pay 13 billion euros ($14.5 billion) in back taxes dating from 2003 through 2014.

    Cook's letter begins by discussing Apple's long history in Ireland, which dates back to a small facility that housed 60 employees in 1980. That statistic has now expanded to 6,000 employees across Ireland in total, benefiting both the company and local economies.

    As it's grown, Cook says that Apple has become "the largest taxpayer in the world," and that "Apple follows the law and we pay all the taxes we owe." Directly confronting the European Commission's ruling, Cook claims that the EC has "launched an effort to rewrite Apple's history in Europe."
    The Apple CEO points out that the claim -- stating Ireland gave Apple a "special deal" on its taxes -- is completely false and "has no basis in fact or in law." Cook thinks the commission's ruling also has the potential to set a dangerous precedent, because it is attempting to replace tangible Irish tax laws "with a view of what the Commission thinks the law should have been."
    Apple's next move is to appeal the Commission's ruling, which Ireland is said to be doing as well, with Cook remaining "confident" that the decision will ultimately be reversed and the company won't have to pay the 13 billion euros after all. Throughout all of the current drama and turmoil, Cook reiterates that Apple is "committed to Ireland" and that the company has no plans to stop investing in a future not only for its customers there, but its employees as well.

    Read Cook's full letter about the European Commissions' ruling here.

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    Article Link: Tim Cook Pens Open Letter on Tax Evasion Claims, Says Apple is Confident Decision 'Will be Reversed'
  2. Zachari macrumors regular


    Feb 8, 2012
    Washington, DC
    Ireland is the poster child of how Corp neoliberalism is eroding sovereignty and modern society.
  3. SandboxGeneral Moderator emeritus


    Sep 8, 2010
    I wonder how long the appeal process will take before a final outcome is decided and either Apple has to pay or doesn't. Could be years I suspect.
  4. peppespizzapie Suspended

    Jul 5, 2010

    Somehow i doubt that. It is one thing to use childering for producing apple products, but when you start stealing from the rich, you allways loose. And that's what tax dodging is, stealing.
  5. Robstevo macrumors 6502

    Jun 7, 2014
    0.005%......yet no special deal was made?.....yea right mr.cook!
  6. Crosscreek macrumors 68030


    Nov 19, 2013
    Be careful Apple ....your socially irresponsible under belly is showing.
  7. KPOM macrumors G5

    Oct 23, 2010
    Time for Ireland to join Britain in leaving the EU!
  8. Schwyz, Aug 30, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2016

    Schwyz macrumors regular


    Apr 6, 2016
    Up a tree
  9. RJCP macrumors 6502

    Jun 8, 2011
    Fact: Apple's tax arrangements with Ireland date back to the 1980's when the tech industry was expanding and wasn't the powerhouse multi-million dollar machine it is today.
    While tax legislation for other industries has been adjusted over the years, Apple *somehow* kept paying a tax rate which was still pretty much an incentive to what was back then a developing industry.

    It's a tricky situation because the Irish government should have revised the law, but they didn't so, while Apple hasn't been tax evading illegally, it has been given a privileged tax arrangement.
    I think the European Commission is totally right in attempting to rectify the situation but it's a really grey area legally.
  10. thermodynamic Suspended


    May 3, 2009
    How is "neoliberalism" differ to "neoconservativism"?
  11. Amacfa macrumors 65816


    May 22, 2009
    All companies are doing it too ya know.
  12. djcerla macrumors 68000


    Apr 23, 2015
    Apple, Ireland and the US government vs the EU commission.. not to mention Google, Facebook and every other company in Apple's same boat.

    This will be a complex, long fight.
  13. miniroll32 macrumors 65816


    Mar 28, 2010
    Oh, of course he's confident the decision will be reversed. When you hold more $40 billion in cash, it's not hard to influence people...
  14. ibookg409 Suspended


    Apr 20, 2016
    Portsmouth, NH
    If they keep appealing long enough the case may outlast the EU.
  15. Robstevo macrumors 6502

    Jun 7, 2014
    would it be the us government ? Your politicians have already said Apple are using Ireland as a tax haven.

    Also more like apple and Ireland vs every country in the eu that is owed it's god damn taxes.
  16. Lapidus macrumors regular


    May 14, 2012
    Throws a picture with Steve Jobs in there... Will probably help the people supporting Apple in stead of the EU.

    I don't know who I should support as I don't know anything about taxes. Probably Apple used some tricks, probably the EU wants some money from Apple.
  17. draugminaion macrumors regular


    May 12, 2014
    No special deal, any company that brings thousands of jobs to Cork can get this deal.
  18. keysofanxiety macrumors G3


    Nov 23, 2011
    Can't say you're getting much sympathy here, Timmy.

    You've been hosing customers for years with high prices and (still expensive) entry-level products that just don't perform to an Apple standard. You've been making ludicrous profit margins on every product and building up a wall of cash to sit on. You've been smashing down on suppliers to lower the costs even further, yet maintain those same high prices and margins on products.

    You raise prices in countries when the exchange rate is having a few hiccups, when if anything, they should be lowered due to the age of the tech. As you're not an engineer or even a Mac user, you have no appreciation of how much difference even a simple Fusion drive can make in entry-level Mac Minis, for an utterly negligible cost. You do all this and still sniff your own farts about Apple being the best company in the world and make products that enrich people's lives.

    Even with all this considered, I've been defending Apple left, right, and centre where I believe it's applicable.

    But now that we find out Apple have been paying 0.005% tax on European sales? The deep realisation has hit me that you couldn't give a damn about your customers' experience, and no amount of money or profits will ever be enough for you, or convince you to appropriately put back into the products you sell.

    For what utterly little it's worth (and it is very, very, very little to you, I'm sure), you've turned this passionate Apple fan and defender into a jaded, listless user, praying that his 2012 MBP won't die.
  19. WBRacing macrumors 6502a


    Nov 19, 2012
    I believe they are adding interest to the amount, so unless they are confident of a win it is not in their, er, interest to drag it out.
  20. Mildredop macrumors 68020

    Oct 14, 2013
    I thought it was $200bn plus?
  21. Lapidus macrumors regular


    May 14, 2012
    You really need to spend your time better.
  22. NutsNGum macrumors 68030


    Jul 30, 2010
    Glasgow, Scotland
  23. draugminaion macrumors regular


    May 12, 2014
    Apple likes their EU office for EU operations to be inside the EU. If Ireland were no longer inside the EU what would they even be doing there?
  24. Jsameds macrumors 68040

    Apr 22, 2008
    Funny how Apple gets the bill when Ireland are just as responsible.
  25. Lord Hamsa macrumors 6502a

    Jul 16, 2013
    1) Apple is a publicly traded company, and as such, has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders to use any legal means to minimize its tax liabilities.

    2) Ireland's current tax laws that Apple is taking advantage of may or may not need to be updated based on how things have changed since they were first written. Whether they should be or not is a subjective matter that can be discussed by all stakeholder parties, and any changes made need to be in line with other Ireland and EU governing policies.

    3) However, the EU simply cannot retrospectively change Ireland tax laws on what they think they should have been. The only relevant question is did Apple follow existing Ireland tax law correctly? If so, they cannot impose a retroactive tax on Apple. The EU does have leverage to drive changes to Ireland's tax policies moving forward, though.

    4) This type of ham-handed extra-legislative action by the EU is exactly the type of thing that got the "Brexit" stuff started (and even passed). If the EU bureaucrats continue to overstep their boundaries and supersede the legislatures and courts of the member countries, they're going to continue to find themselves with fewer member countries (and more to the point, the net tax-paying countries that can both afford to leave and have the biggest impact when they do).

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