200,000,000+ per year customers would disagree with you. Also your juvenile disparaging of Mr. Cook’s last name is behavior straight out of high school. And I prefer engaging with adults.
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200,000,000+ per year customers would disagree with you. Also your juvenile disparaging of Mr. Cook’s last name is behavior straight out of high school. And I prefer engaging with adults.
why would he be a billionaire? did he start the company? Did he do anything to deserve 1% of the entire company?
All he did was take Steve Job's golden goose to China and sell his golden eggs. Then he decided to #### the goose, added some rose gold, and add a bunch of crappy features that no one wanted. It's like the company is running itself, and that's where we are today.
A monkey could have done what Tim did. HE WAS LEFT with APPLE! The most innovative company at the world at the time when smart phone markets were expanding!
Most likely. But I do donate to several charities each month, with an amount which is likely to be far above the average, so I do what I can. At the same time, I want to make sure that I don't end up in poverty in a few years, due to mismanaged economy, which would then have a negative impact on society, since I would then require social help. So despite your negatively charged remark, I do not feel bad about it, and I shouldn't either.
Tim Cook on the other hand is closing in on 1 billion dollars worth. Please try to explain to me how there's not a difference between his and my situation? Otherwise, I look forward to an apology.
A monkey? If it was that easy, you could do it. So I’ll wait here patiently while you take Cooks easy peasy formula, execute it and make your company 1T.
No, it's not a view. That is a fact, just check their earnings and customer satisfaction report. The iPhone no doubt plays a factor, it's the best computer in the world. It just so happens to fit in your pocket. Regarding their Mac line, they just released their fastest desktop and laptops ever, fixed the keyboard issue, and are releasing a low cost MacBook, a Mac mini, and a new Mac Pro. I am not sure what else you are looking for. Of course Apple isn't going to focus as much on the Mac, the majority of their computer users prefer iOS. It would be foolish to neglect their largest base of customers.
If all you count is ROI, he is a success. He built a successful service / mobile company at the price of killing an excellent computer company. It just so happens that services and mobile is more valuable than computers.
Isn't ROI the main purpose of running a company? They make the best computers in the world, they fit in your pocket. With the best sales numbers and customer satisfaction in history, maybe they aren't the problem? Maybe those stuck in the past will simply be left behind.
again. Subjective opinions passed as fact
"BEST" is not determined by sales and volume. Popularity is. you really need to stop equating the two as equal.
if we were to assume that the best sales also equals best quality than the Backstreet boys would be considered one of the best musical groups of all time. Also "customer satisifaction" ratings are a bit of a red herring. When you ask someone who spent $1500 if they like their device, Cognitive dissonance will generally sway users to overstate their satisfaction. This is true for everything and all things. Half of marketing out there today for any product is not just to sell the product, but to convince users that they made the right purchasing decision.
Simple matter is in statistical and empirical based testing, Apple's products are good. Some are great. But they very rarely TODAY hit or exceed. they're great, but are facing stiffer competition every day. Which is good as it forces Apple to keep moving forward.
I honestly feel like I've had to repeat this to you over and over again and you just don't seem to care about what constitutes a "fact" or "opinion"... So sorry friend, this will be the last time and I'm just going to have to put you on ignore.
The board of directors for Apple should be ousted by the collective Apple shareholders, for allowing such a ridiculous incentive written into his CEO contract.
As far as I'm concerned, Cook is not responsible for "anything great" at Apple, since Jobs has been gone. I could justify maybe a 10 million dollar bonus ( maybe ). But 120 million!!? Come on... Reward all the Apple hard-workers that are making less than $40 grand a year with all that money.
As far as I'm concerned, Cook is not responsible for "anything great" at Apple, since Jobs has been gone. I could justify maybe a 10 million dollar bonus ( maybe ). But 120 million!!? Come on... Reward all the Apple hard-workers that are making less than $40 grand a year with all that money.
again. Subjective opinions passed as fact
"BEST" is not determined by sales and volume. Popularity is. you really need to stop equating the two as equal.
if we were to assume that the best sales also equals best quality than the Backstreet boys would be considered one of the best musical groups of all time. Also "customer satisifaction" ratings are a bit of a red herring. When you ask someone who spent $1500 if they like their device, Cognitive dissonance will generally sway users to overstate their satisfaction. This is true for everything and all things. Half of marketing out there today for any product is not just to sell the product, but to convince users that they made the right purchasing decision.
Simple matter is in statistical and empirical based testing, Apple's products are good. Some are great. But they very rarely TODAY hit or exceed. they're great, but are facing stiffer competition every day. Which is good as it forces Apple to keep moving forward.
I honestly feel like I've had to repeat this to you over and over again and you just don't seem to care about what constitutes a "fact" or "opinion"... So sorry friend, this will be the last time and I'm just going to have to put you on ignore.
Of course, everything on this forum is an opinion. I am sure there are plenty that share mine. Okay then, if you're the end all be all when it comes to what is "best", what makes a product the best to you? What products do you feel are the best out there and why?
I'd like to point out that a lot of the 'pros' complaining about the current state of the Mac are actually designing and creating things that will define the future. I'd hardly say they are 'stuck in the past'.
I guess I don't see it. Apple just released their fastest desktop and laptops ever. They are developing a pro focused Mac mini and a new Mac Pro. Maybe they aren't being updated as frequently, but that doesn't say the previous aren't productive machines. There will always be a place for the Mac, but to expect Apple to focus more on the Mac than their largest user base (iOS) is ridiculous. No company would do that. There are plenty of pros designing and creating things that will define the future on iOS devices too. Throw Xcode for iOS in there and it will be even more so. What I meant by being stuck in the past or left behind is the old mindset that people can't be productive on iOS devices.
He didn't double the company's value. That's the problem. He is only one person, a leader within the company for sure, but he didn't accomplish this goal alone. Far from it... It's the tens of thousands of employees working together under the direction of many leaders.
The disparity between average worker pay and the CEO pay has grown exponentially over the past few decades. It's morally wrong. Look at Amazon, for example. The company has gone to great lengths to avoid laws that would require them to provide medical insurance -- it's well documented. It's founder and CEO is the word's richest man. Seems wrong...
I am not sure what the solution is at this point, but I know what we have now is not okay.
Yes, Most of what's said on this forum is in fact, Opinion. Even most of what I say myself. The difference is, you seem to keep injecting the word "Fact" into your statements. Which means you either don't understand what a subjective opinion is, or what an objective fact is.
When we're talking about facts, we need to use empirical data, collection of resources and numbers. Measurements defined around variables and scientific approaches.
What comes out to be "Best" often comes down to how those variables are defined and what the action is that you are trying to measure.
is it "fact" that Apple's current product lineup is their BEST? that's going to depend on what measurement you need to apply. For example, the i9 MacBook Pro SHOULD, due to "higher numbers" in it's marketing and sales equal the fastest MacBook pro ever sold. Reality however, indicates that there are other compromises that under sustained load, makes the i9 perform worse than the i7 version due to thermal limitations of a chassis that is not designed for that load.
Maybe "Best" is defined buy portability? Than the MacBook is BEST, but it's the slowest computer in their lineup.
How about comparisons to competition in the same markets? is the iMac the "BEST" because it simply has a 5k screen? How about those who don't want a Mac with an attached display? suddenly it's no longer the best is it?
Just be careful with throwing around the term "Fact" when describing your subjective opinions on things.
It happened under cooks watch and cooks direction and cooks leadership. It’s of course a team of people but the ceo is paid and compensated to do exactly what he did and he got the compensation for making the right decisions in taking the company to 1T.
If you believe the system we have here in the US is morally wrong, don’t buy the products from companies you dont like. It may not be okay with you, but I guarantee the system isn’t changing.
Of course, I get all that. Value is subjective to the individual. Where this conversation started was me responding to someone saying that Apple is failing, another opinion. My "facts" are that Apple is not failing as a company, as proof by their sales numbers, revenue growth, and customer satisfaction. There is no way we can look at Apple as "failing". Now, considering what is "best" - that absolutely will depend on the individual and their needs, which brings me back to my original question? What tech products do you consider to be the "best" and why? Just curious on your opinion here.
I don't think anyone is saying that the Mac should be the main focus of the company. The two should be able to coexist without one being neglected. Surely iOS is part of a 'Pros' toolset but for many influential industries the desktop computer is where things still get done and I don't see any mobile operating system being able to replace them in the foreseeable future.
Our frustration is that when it comes to Apple offering desktop level 'Pro' solutions they have been missing the mark for many years. I see it first hand as many of my clients (all decades long Mac evangelists) are moving on to other platforms to have their needs met.
oh, anyone who claims apple is failing is clearly not paying attention to business.
they are right now absolutely the market leader. there are trouble signs, but they have yet to grossly impact the financial side of things. For my take on that, that would be a wordy, thousand page analysis.
Alright, well good talking to you. I respect your approach to the conversation.
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Fair enough. So with the recent release of the iMac Pro, new MacBook Pro's, potential pro focused Mac mini, and a rumored modular Mac Pro - where are Apple missing the mark? Is it just because they aren't being updated as frequently? Has computing progressed that rapidly that it makes all previous machines incapable of getting the job done? Where are the lapses that you speak of?
I also missed your second question. I'm always of the opinion there is no such thing as "Best" when you are dealing with products that all have made decisions based on different factors. There's just simply no "Best" at all things anymore while companies aim to change small minute details for product differentiation.
However, for MY use cases, why Apple's Macs are no longer "The Best"
- Keyboard that I DETEST and cannot stand touch typing on. Nevermind potential risk of failure due to design flaws (that hopefully the 2018 have remedied though)
- Price Point that doesn't provide the value that I once believe they held by having market leading features. in Canadian dollars. The MacBook Pro, 13" dual core computer starts at $1799.99. This version should be priced no higher than $1300 CAD. This price is also the entry level price point for the MacBook. A computer which performance and feature wise should be no more than $999. due to numerous trade offs of their computer lineup, these price points seem completely astronomical. Especially when you see Apple's profit margins and threads like this about extremely rich bonuses to executives. They could easily afford to drop prices 10-20% and still bring in massive profit. Perhaps more so by increasing volume
- USB-C is great, but we're in a transitional state where I wish for at least 1 USB-A port. I want USB-C for the future, but as a DB admin/Sysadmin, I don't get to pick and choose what USB type clients/customers and users are using. not a single enterprise server currently has USB-C.
- MacBook air, would be a great option, except for its out of date, but current price as if it were updated reuglarly. Include in a screen that was last updated in 2012 that by today's standards has no business in a laptop that costs > $1000. the MacBook Air is still selling here for $1300+, for which you can get virtually any of the competition with 1080p+ IPS panel. Nevermind the 3800x1200+ panels that some vendors have at this price point (Razer Blade Stealth for example)
on the phone side:
- Headphone jack. and i'm not going to rant on this anymore than I already have.
- a few fixes needed to iOS... though, iOS12 brings most of what I want, notifications were a big deal, but the changes look great. Apple needs to allow me to change default Apps for me to come back to iPhone land. (I loved the 5s when I had it, but the notification handling and default app issue drove me back to Android)
This doesn't have to be an either or game does it? Don't you think Apple is big enough to do both or have I moved along to far?
Good to know. I actually had no issues with the keyboard on my 2016 MacBook when I had it, but I can see how it isn't ideal for others. In regards to price points, I completely agree. The prices for MacBook Pro's are outrageous to me. This is part of the reason why I have moved to iOS only, the costs are much more reasonable and I find the benefits very tangible in my daily workflow. If they do upgrade the MacBook Air and price it at $999, with some reasonable upgrade options - it could be a solid machine. I understand the headphone jack thing, although I have found AirPods to be better for my needs. Unfortunately I don't see the ability to change default apps ever happening in iOS. Maybe the defaults improve enough to entice you to come back though.
if the 999 macBook air comes out with a nice high res display and updated internals, I'd sell my new Stealth today and replace it with that. I miss my 2011 Air!
But this is the potential pratfall. When companies start doing things where users like us say "it's not just worth it anymore" for minor reasons like i've listed, there should be cause for concern by the executive. It's rare that a companies fortunes turn overnight due to 1 thing. It's usually the old "Death by a thousand cuts"... How many people like me, who are willing to shop around is Apple willing to lose as a customer before they take notice? Obviously not 1. Obviously not 100. But every company needs to be mindful of people who are making these sorts of decisions.
So far, Apple has handled it, in an interesting way. They've clearly identified from a financial position that growth isn't happening as much as it used to on the volume side of things anymore (numbers from their launches indicate growth has mostly stopped). But revenues continue to climb. This from the financials indicate that Apple has opted to raise prices to make up the difference. So the question is, How many users will these new price points drive away further?
is Apple doomed? Of course not. That's just a stupid meme used to shut down legitimate conversation. But Apple also cannot ignore user bases if they wish to remain growing. Mac sales the lowest since 2010 is a flag that shouldn't be ignored. 2018 iPhone sales being flat (and slightly down overall for the year) compared to 2017, should also not be ignored.
From a business studies perspective, this is just all very interesting and i'm excited to see how Apple responds to these sort of criticisms.
from an Investor stand point? Apple hasn't done a thing wrong, hence why they approved the big payout to Tim. But it's going to be insanely interesting to see what happens 5-10 years from now.