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I don't agree with this as an across the board comment and I think one could pick and choose the way their version of the facts has been presented to prove their point. It's not like under Jobs there was this utopian Apple that was absolutely perfect.
I understand that. The one thing I will say, whether this has to do with Tim or not, the smartphone market that was so exciting has plateaued as there’s not a lot in the way of truly wow type features and I think people blame “Tim’s Apple” for not being innovative. Innovation will come from software and services for a while I think. However, there are issues I have with some of the things Apple has done under Tim’s watch.
 
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Based on YouTube of course...
NO, Based on plain REAL FACTS. You dismissing facts with childlike comments does not disqualifies the truth of the facts.
Furthermore, all the facts in the you tube videos are REAL FActs reviewed by much more experienced users than you.
Here are same basic facts.

- Bad keyboard. That is why there are 3 class action lawsuits.
- they removed the Mag-safe
- soldering all components including RAM and SSD, making the computer a disposable appliance.
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I don't agree with this as an across the board comment and I think one could pick and choose the way their version of the facts has been presented to prove their point. It's not like under Jobs there was this utopian Apple that was absolutely perfect.

Jobs was not perfect, but he pursue innovation. Cook pursue numbers. Despite the Watch there were very few innovation in a 10 year old period, which in computer time is a lifetime. .
 
NO, Based on plain REAL FACTS. You dismissing facts with childlike comments does not disqualifies the truth of the facts.
Furthermore, all the facts in the you tube videos are REAL FActs reviewed by much more experienced users than you.
Here are same basic facts.

- Bad keyboard. That is why there are 3 class action lawsuits.
- they removed the Mag-safe
- soldering all components including RAM and SSD, making the computer a disposable appliance.
You’re continual hyperbole doesn’t make this any more legitimate than a three dollar bill. Class action lawsuits are easy to file and harder to win. You're conflating basic facts and coming to your own biased conclusion.

Jobs was not perfect, but he pursue innovation. Cook pursue numbers. Despite the Watch there were very few innovation in a 10 year old period, which in computer time is a lifetime. .
So how many innovations under jobs and cook? Let’s count them up.
 
You’re continual hyperbole doesn’t make this any more legitimate than a three dollar bill. Class action lawsuits are easy to file and harder to win
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Your continued denial of TRUE actual facts makes your comments completely baseless of any FACT, and you are only here to troll and be a fact denier repeating the same excuse like a broken record (lawsuit easier to file...) due to your lack of actual real responses.

CLASS ACTION lawsuit are not easy to file and that is just a pathetic lame excuse of a wide spread problem that is affecting ALL Macbooks. Your denying of the facts is so pathetic that you seem to know more than Apple itself.

Apple not ONLY ACKNOLEDGED THE PROBLEM WITH THE KEYBOARD BUT ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE PROBLEM WITH THE KEYBOARD TO THE USERS. Why Apple would apologize if there was not such a problem??

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...board-serious-problem-confirmed/#1da7c88f7917

https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/27/apple-3rd-gen-butterfly-keyboard-problems/
 
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Your continued denial of TRUE actual facts makes your comments completely baseless of any FACT, and you are only here to troll and be a fact denier repeating the same excuse like a broken record (lawsuit easier to file...) due to your lack of actual real responses.

CLASS ACTION lawsuit are not easy to file and that is just a pathetic lame excuse of a wide spread problem that is affecting ALL Macbooks. Your denying of the facts is so pathetic that you seem to know more than Apple itself.

Apple not ONLY ACKNOLEDGED THE PROBLEM WITH THE KEYBOARD BUT ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THE PROBLEM WITH THE KEYBOARD TO THE USERS. Why Apple would apologize if there was not such a problem??

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...board-serious-problem-confirmed/#1da7c88f7917

https://www.engadget.com/2019/03/27/apple-3rd-gen-butterfly-keyboard-problems/
Making an over the top generalized hyperbolic statement on a class action lawsuit is meaningless. It does not represent the entirety of Apple’s products. Class action lawsuits are a heck of a lot easier to file than to win.

At any rate, this takes nothing away from Tim who has gotten the acknowledgment he deserves.
 
Making an over the top generalized hyperbolic statement on a class action lawsuit is meaningless. It does not represent the entirety of Apple’s products. Class action lawsuits are a heck of a lot easier to file than to win.

And one more time your broken record excuse that shows that you lack a single valid argument and as a good troll you keep copy/pasting the same response over and over, disregarding the fact that even Apple accepted and apologized for this big problem.
If in 2018-19 Tim Cannot deliver a Laptops that have basic working keyboards, he should go or at least fire the designer in charge of such bad design/quality control.
 
(...) Tim who has gotten the acknowledgment he deserves.

Which one? Acknowledgement for having...

a) ... destroyed Apple as the cool innovative computer manufacturer (Emojis in change log. Innovation? REALLY??)
b) ... transformed Apple into a "profits, profits, profits, don't care for anything else" company
c) ... transformed Apple from one of the most loved companies into one of the most hated
d) ... abandoning the Mac / professional customers
 
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Did you ever hear of the antenna issue in the iPhone 4? If Steve couldn’t deliver a flawless iPhone what standard are you setting for Tim?
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Which one? Acknowledgement for having...

a) ... destroyed Apple as the cool innovative computer manufacturer (Emojis in change log. Innovation? REALLY??)
We all have a personal moving definition of innovation. Apple still is liked, and is viewed as an innovative company in my circles. YMMV.

b) ... transformed Apple into a "profits first, profits over anything else" company
This is just an overworked meme. Are people really that stupid that they would buy the low quality overpriced junk that Apple produces? /s
c) ... transformed Apple from one of the most loved companies into one of the most hated
This is in your circles not mine. With hundreds of millions of customers there is sure to be varied and hyperbolic opinions of Apple.
d) ... abandoning the Mac / professional customers
Can’t really help you there. I’m happy with mine.
 
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After today's Qualcomm settlement win, Tim Cook deserves the title of #1 domestic terrorist. He's more dangerous to the West than any foreign terrorist and on the scale of Hitler.
 
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Can’t really help you there. I’m happy with mine.

Sorry but you are really so blind that you are not even answering the question.
You are happy with yours??? what that has to do with
d) ... abandoning the Mac / professional customers

Everybody can see that APPLE ABANDONED THE PRO CUSTOMERS LONG TIME AGO!

- Mac PRO the trashcan was a failure and took them 6 years to come with a new design.
- Macbook Pro 2016 and after were a failure both in design and quality.
- iMac Pro. Unaffordable, overheating and soldering components.

The truth about Apple's repeated engineering failures.

As someone clearly said: Here is the new Apple's moto

Apple.
Yesterday's technology
At tomorrow's prices!!
 
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If only Tim Cook were a genius!

For me, Apple lost their craziness, their fire, their subversive quality with the tragic death of Steve Jobs. They now seem to bow down to the lowest common denominator.

I posit that their whole culture was determined by having an insanely great genius at the top. In losing such a figurehead, the culture has become irredeemably broken.

Great to be back. Missed you all.

Yes, welcome back. For a second or two I thought I had popped into a resurrected thread.

I don't think Apple's broken. I think Tim Cook is a competent guy with the mild misfortune of running a well known company at a time when the great unwashed but connected segment of "the public" is what's actually broken: everything a hypercritical segment of the public views today apparently exists primarily to be derogated, dismissed, just plain dissed, shorted in the market and otherwise figuratively run out of town on a rail before sunset or better yet during a coffee break from the job.

Of course that all takes place online and in social media circles, but the more relevant question for the CEOs and companies in question is resolved at the point of purchase: "How'm I doin', boss?"

Cook, and Apple, do seem to be hearing enough "You okay, man" to keep the doors open.

Whoever spends their money on the products a company makes really is the boss. Most of the happy consumers don't unbox their stuff and promptly get online to relay their happiness... that's for the relatively few specialists who produce unboxing videos.

I actually know people who are happy repeat purchasers of Apple products and have never heard of unboxing videos, much less 20-page threads bitching about Tim Cook's stewardship of Apple. But hey, that's anecdotal, so pay no mind.

Still, people can pipe dream all they want about how Steve Jobs would have found a seriously greater great next thing, but those may be the same people who also complained about the lime or tangerine clamshell laptops and possibly dissed the U2 Special Edition iPods with the bands' autographs on the back as well, who knows. And oh yeah, they never liked the Phat iPod Nano with the headphone jack on the bottom. And the tie-clip shuffle, um...

Yet in their imagination it's Tim Cook who has ****ed Apple up? Go figure.

It's all water under the bridge and no one crossing a river today sees the same water as the guy who crossed it yesterday. Did Jobs regret having fooled around with that placeholder ROKR phone before the actual iPhone surfaced? I doubt it. Who knows if it really held Apple's place or just provided a little comic relief and false sense of security for Apple's competitors. People mocking the case design for the iPhone 5C were probably not prepared for the success of the iPhone SE... never mind the Apple Watch.

Anyway as I said elsewhere on these boards, I'm looking forward to reading Kahney's latest Apple-related bio. I guess the only thing could make it seem vaguely attractive to Tim Cook haters is the fact that Kahney's book isn't selling for 300 bucks and warranting its own unboxing video that's been viewed over four hundred thousand times?

(skip to about 1 minute to get to the unboxing, it's the part my cats always loved watching).​

 
Tim Cook deserves some serious credit for transitioning himself into his role of CEO at Apple. No easy task even at a small company
His diversification into other areas is a good sign however he should Never forget that the iPhone made Apple what it is today and it’s important to keep the iPhone a top priority
It’s aggravating to see Samsung
, Huwai etc all coming out with foldable phones before Apple
 
Tim Cook deserves some serious credit for transitioning himself into his role of CEO at Apple. No easy task even at a small company
His diversification into other areas is a good sign however he should Never forget that the iPhone made Apple what it is today and it’s important to keep the iPhone a top priority
It’s aggravating to see Samsung
, Huwai etc all coming out with foldable phones before Apple

I dunno... the phone market is mature. Not everyone is interested in making their phone the center of their computing life. Sometimes a phone is just a phone to me. Sure "everyone" needs one any more since the day of the payphone seems to have disappeared and some people think if they're not connected to all their "friends" all the time their life is empty. But for a lot of adults the phone is most often just a way to make a phone call or communicate via text/mail, and the very idea of even a camera is just an over the top if essentially unavoidable frill.. never mind something like a foldable phone to provide more screen real estate in a smaller package. When I want more screen real estate I'd rather work on a laptop. Just my opinion, and it's nice if Apple will eventually bring foldable phones to market. They'll probably be marvelous. I'd be anxious if smartphones were all Apple had on its mind though. The market is fickle.
 
2) USB-C SUCKS! The idea that muxing connections through a connection that sucks so that you can meet some kind of ideal where all your devices are on one connection is ridiculous. Certify Lightning as a connector, and let other manufacturers use it. It's really that good. (And MagSafe could have rocked the world!)

Just to add a personal anecdote regarding USB-C (in particular, because some posters on here like to defend the silly dongle spaghetti having no other ports results in):

I currently have to use a touch bar MacBook Pro at work (not by personal choice). A few weeks ago, I had to present the current state of a project I'm involved in to management. I set up in the conference room and of course had to attach that silly USB-C to HDMI dongle to conduct the presentation on the big screen. It kept crapping out the signal after 10 or so seconds, resulting in a blank screen for another 10 or so seconds, only to pop back on again... for 10 or so seconds. Rinse and repeat. I couldn't get it to work. And, no, it wasn't a problem with the screen or the HDMI connection because the Dell laptop stationed in the conference room worked just fine with zero problems on the same setup.

An absolute embarassment for me thanks to Apple's "professional" hardware.
 
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After today's Qualcomm settlement win, Tim Cook deserves the title of #1 domestic terrorist. He's more dangerous to the West than any foreign terrorist and on the scale of Hitler.
"After today's settlement, it was a win-win for both Qualcomm and Apple, Tim Cook deserves the title of #1 CEO." I amended your statement slightly.
 
Just to add a personal anecdote regarding USB-C (in particular, because some posters on here like to defend the silly dongle spaghetti having no other ports results in):

I currently have to use a touch bar MacBook Pro at work (not by personal choice). A few weeks ago, I had to present the current state of a project I'm involved in to management. I set up in the conference room and of course had to attach that silly USB-C to HDMI dongle to conduct the presentation on the big screen. It kept crapping out the signal after 10 or so seconds, resulting in a blank screen for another 10 or so seconds, only to pop back on again... for 10 or so seconds. Rinse and repeat. I couldn't get it to work. And, no, it wasn't a problem with the screen or the HDMI connection because the Dell laptop stationed in the conference room worked just fine with zero problems on the same setup.

An absolute embarassment for me thanks to Apple's "professional" hardware.

I was using the Apple USB-C to HDMI adapter for Zwift, yeah I know, a vital function for sure, and it would drop the signal, freaking out my smart trainer. There is a thread here about it. I checked the reviews on the Apple page for that adapter, and, even giving a generous 20% are raving lunatics, the adapter sucks. No way around it. It's crap...

End of the story: I have an older 13" MBP, it has HDMI builtin, however I have to use Apple's Thunderbolt to gigabit ethernet adapter, and it sucks too! And discovered that Zwift has no warning that the internet went bye-bye, so the rides aren't posted. Nice oversight there. (If everyone disappears, the internet is gone) So Apple's dongles really suck, and I can't find a Thunderbolt to gigabit adapter that doesn't sound like it was made in a back alley in China somewhere. Damn you Apple!!! I'm looking at getting a Lenovo Legion gaming notebook. The BS is depressing.
 
Sad that people praise Tim Cook since he has been stalling Apple progress.

So much so, that Apple is now trailing other companies and update cycles have changed dramatically to upgrade computers every 4 years.
In adddition, he unnecessarily increased the product line to so many items that is ridiculous (i.e. iPads).

- Siri is quite bad compared to Alexa.
- Homepod, came late to the game and way overpriced.
- The entire Pro line of computers is a fiasco. The Macbook Pro is one of the worse products ever designed in Apple history, staring by the lame keyboard.
- Mac Pro, 6 years and counting, and for sure it will way overpriced.
- iMac design 10 years and counting...

We know Apple is having revenues, which does not mean that he is creating great products.
And the only product he created was the watch.
Just see how pathetic was the update they announced one week before the recent event.
 
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We know Apple is having revenues, which does not mean that he is creating great products.
And the only product he created was the watch.
Just see how pathetic was the update they announced one week before the recent event.
Also doesn't mean the he isn't creating great products. "Great" is a subjective definition.
 
We can go around in circles on this. I like the products coming out of apple. Maybe I won't buy everyone of them, but I think they are creating great products. YMMV.

That is cool that you are sharing your thoughts about how you like their products. Others are sharing their thoughts about how they dislike some of their products. Stalemate!
 
That is cool that you are sharing your thoughts about how you like their products. Others are sharing their thoughts about how they dislike some of their products. Stalemate!
Exactly. Which is why I said, it's a personal definition. Some like what is going on at Apple, some don't. It's quite the concept, the ability to share thoughts on a common matter.;)
 
Sad that people praise Tim Cook since he has been stalling Apple progress.

So much so, that Apple is now trailing other companies and update cycles have changed dramatically to upgrade computers every 4 years.
In adddition, he unnecessarily increased the product line to so many items that is ridiculous (i.e. iPads).

- Siri is quite bad compared to Alexa.
- Homepod, came late to the game and way overpriced.
- The entire Pro line of computers is a fiasco. The Macbook Pro is one of the worse products ever designed in Apple history, staring by the lame keyboard.
- Mac Pro, 6 years and counting, and for sure it will way overpriced.
- iMac design 10 years and counting...

We know Apple is having revenues, which does not mean that he is creating great products.
And the only product he created was the watch.
Just see how pathetic was the update they announced one week before the recent event.
Steve Jobs didn't want larger phones, smaller tablets or the use of a stylus. There was antenna gate. At least Apple acknowledge issues now and set up programmes to help those effected instead of trying to blame the user and fob them off with a bumper instead of replacing the hardware.

The airpods were also under Tim's tenure. Not only does Tim guide Apple in making good products but he's been instrumental in developing services and really developing the ecosystem.
 
Steve Jobs didn't want larger phones, smaller tablets or the use of a stylus. There was antenna gate. At least Apple acknowledge issues now and set up programmes to help those effected instead of trying to blame the user and fob them off with a bumper instead of replacing the hardware.

That is not true. What about the bending phones and recently new bending iPads.
And if 2016 they Apple new they had a bad keyboard for the entire laptop line up, instead of trying to fix a bad design, they should have made a new one. But they did not.
Furthermore, how many years took Apple to acknowledge the fiasco design of t Mac Pro Trashcan. 6 years and counting...
Mac Mini, we waited 5 years and same old lame case with the same overheating problems and 70% more expensive.

Please....
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We can go around in circles on this. I like the products coming out of apple. Maybe I won't buy everyone of them, but I think they are creating great products. YMMV.

If you like to buy overpriced, yesterday's technology you are in your entire right to do so.
But the ones that actually need to work and appreciate innovation and value the money we spend, are kind of tired of Apple's complete neglect for the past 4-6 years.

No matter how you nice you dress it, a pig is still a pig. Trying to fix a failing keyboard design is still a failing design.

Here is the new Apple moto...
Apple.
Yesterday's technology
At tomorrow's prices
 
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