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Problem is people like Ivy and Jobs do not make good CEO of large company the size of Apple. From Jobs biography he was more or less pushed to the point of making Jobs give up before windows got the iPod. That really helped kick Apple off and become big.

CEO should be a good manager who has people like Ivy below him but not steer the ship so to speak. I know I stated multiple times in the past that Jobs should of step down as CEO and moved on to another position. I think for the long term health of Apple it is really going to take off and get even better with Cook as CEO.

I think you should spend less time on the forums and offer your invaluable services as a consultant to :apple:. Maybe then :apple: could grow into a real successful company :rolleyes:

http://hbr.org/2010/01/the-best-performing-ceos-in-the-world/ar/1
 
Tim Cook is *exactly* what Apple needs right now after Jobs - someone who is low key, operational and willing to keep the ship sailing smoothly. He is an operations guy, not a product guy, and that is what is needed right now.

Remember that there's a pipeline of products where the lead time for these are in years, not months.

Apple has FOUR years of product pipeline to execute.

Tim Cook may be a transitional leader. Maybe not someone who will steer the ship 10 years from now, but at least at this point, he's the right man.

I'm guessing that Jony Ive or Eddy Cue were being groomed even before Steve's death to eventually take Tim's place.

Jony Ive may not be ready to be CEO right now immediately after Steve's death, but he very well could be with more mentorship from Tim Cook on the operations side that in a few years, he very well could be the next CEO. And if not, Eddy Cue is likely also a viable candidate.

Tim Cook is also the right man right now because you want someone who is a counterpoint to Steve's larger-than-life personality. You don't replace a larger-than-life personality with another one back to back. You want someone who won't be constantly compared to Steve Jobs if they are too similar to Steve Jobs.

Apple has an "A team" of talent across all groups. It's got probably the deepest talent pool of any Silicon Valley company. The biggest challenge for Apple in the next few years is retaining a high quality workforce.

And that's why you need a low key guy like Tim -- someone who is the opposite of Jobs' brash, egocentric style that others put up with much like the Bulls put up with Michael Jordan's ego. People can take a lot of ***** from someone they feel is a legend. But a non-legend can't behave that way and expect people to put up with it, at last at this point so soon after Steve's passing.

Tim knows that. The whole "team" thing isn't just his personality, it's very deliberate. He knows his main job is to keep the ship sailing smoothly and minimizing the risk of people jumping ship to other places.

He's got a very specific role to play in the history of Apple, and he seems to know that. He's not meant to be the next product visionary (and thankfully doesn't have to because of the huge pipeline that Apple has). But he's to keep the ship intact for the next few years so that a new product visionary can take his place to lead Apple -- and someone who is also better prepared by then such as Jony Ive or Eddy Cue.

You mention Jony Ive & Eddy Cue as next possible CEO candidates but you forgot to mention Forstall. He's young, wicked smart & equally capable I believe. After all, he is in charge of Apple's crown jewel, iOS.
 
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First of all no one will ever be Steve Jobs. SJ trusted Tim to lead this company so we should give Tim the chance & trust him as well. He will never be SJ and he doesn't have to be. All he needs to do is be himself and carry on the legact & creative spirit that made Apple great.

If we're going to judge Tim based on the fact if he's SJ or not then he's already failed.

Because Jobs is apple, and apple is Jobs. there is no way anyone can change that fact. if Tim is not Jobs, then Tim is not apple.

Jobs created apple and built it into a biggest tech empire which beats not only legendary Sony but Samsung, panasonic, ect on hardware sides. and beat or match Microft in software side.


Jobs should have lived a little longer to change the TV industry like he did with music, tablets and phones.
 
Well Tim Cook is a great guy. And backed up by the excellent 2nd line leadership Apple has, Im sure he'll do a good job. He cannot, and should not be compared to Steve Jobs. Their styles are different, but their visions are the same. Good job Mr. Cook. True Apple fans everywhere respect you.
 
Apple is screwed with this guy at the helm.

He's a marketing guy, not a product guy. When someone shows him a cool new feature for iOS and he responds with "and how is this going to help me sell more phones?" you have to know that we are screwed.

The difference between this guy and Jobs is that Jobs knew in the very fiber of his being that if you built the killer product, and did an awesome job of supporting it, the buyers would show up banging down your door. This guy is going to be busy answering to shareholders who want to squeeze better margins out of Apple operations.
 
You mention Jony Ive & Eddy Cue as next possible CEO candidates but you forgot to mention Forstall. He's young, wicked smart & equally capable I believe. After all, he is in charge of Apple's crown jewel, iOS.

Absolutely, and there's likely a host of others, including talented people who are not even at Apple.

My main point is that Tim's biggest job at this point in Apple's history is being able to continue to attract the best and brightest people to work for the company in the absence of Steve. That's the only way to ensure a strong product pipeline beyond the 4 years that is already in place right now, and then eventually for someone for Tim to hand over the baton to years down the line. Apple for the most part has built its product pipeline internally and organically, rather than through acquisition (although they will acquire companies for their products like Siri, but they acquire much more selectively than say other tech giants like Google). To continue that model, they need an "A team" to do so, and can still live off of Steve's vision at least for the next few years until there's room for another product visionary to put his/her own stamp. Think of Apple during Steve Jobs as Apple 1.0, with Tim Cook's being Apple 1.1, and the next CEO after that to be Apple 2.0.

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Apple is screwed with this guy at the helm.

He's a marketing guy, not a product guy. When someone shows him a cool new feature for iOS and he responds with "and how is this going to help me sell more phones?" you have to know that we are screwed.

The difference between this guy and Jobs is that Jobs knew in the very fiber of his being that if you built the killer product, and did an awesome job of supporting it, the buyers would show up banging down your door. This guy is going to be busy answering to shareholders who want to squeeze better margins out of Apple operations.

I think if your post was made in 1985 and you were talking about John Sculley, then sure.

But Tim is not a marketing guy. He's an operations guy. He was the one responsible for helping Steve consolidate and streamline its supply chain when Steve first came back to Apple in the late 1990s.

He's also been effectively running the company on a day-to-day basis since 2009.

What you say may turn out to be right, but it's highly unlikely given what we've seen so far with Tim.
 
If Cook is kinder to the employees, less hotheaded and a more understanding human being than his predecessor, the company will be alright.
 
Team

Addressing employees at "team members" was very common in Retail. We were always addressed as "team" in communications.

The idea, of course, was to inculcate the message that we're all on the same side, fighting for the same cause.

It's also rather condescending. A way for the .1% to address the 99.9% and make them feel like we're all together in this thing.
 
let me put it this way. Steve Wozniak was always the good boy. Steve Jobs was the bad guy. if Tim Cook going to be the good guy .... we're screwed.
 
Of course he has style and taste - he's gay after all!

:p

You homosnob! :p

On an unrelated note, let me say that a CEO who addresses his employees as "Team" makes me want to barf. Teams compete--artists taps into their feelings and imagination to create something moving. One is the mindset of a generic CEO, the other was the mindset of Steve Jobs. I prefer the latter by far.
 
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Hey Team!!

We got a market lead and someone already planned out the next 4 years. Now it's time to relax and take some time off!

C'mon TEAM! Let's coast, y'all!! Heeee haw!!

Tim


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I think this says more about you than him.
 
Addressing employees at "team members" was very common in Retail. We were always addressed as "team" in communications.

The idea, of course, was to inculcate the message that we're all on the same side, fighting for the same cause.

It's also rather condescending. A way for the .1% to address the 99.9% and make them feel like we're all together in this thing.

You are in "this thing." "This thing" is/was your company.
 
Of course he has style and taste - he's gay after all!

:p

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It's obvious Jony Ive is the new 'product guy', since Jobs gave him the ability to do what ever he wants, i.e., no one can put an end to his work, not even Tim Cook.

new? he has been doing that for apple for 10+ years basically, people are all doom and gloom at the moment. but the simple fact is the majority of people who have been creating such things as the iPad, the mac book air, the iPhone etc are probably all still there now.

steven didn't create these things, what he did was create the team that could create these ideas. amazing work steve, and no doubt apple will still be designing all these things.



The only bad thing i see happening is all the "steve job fanboys" having ago at cook simply because they will create the illusion of "steve wouldn't have done this, steve wouldn't have done that" and basically put steve on the pedestal and have a go at anyone who isn't jobs.

Good luck cook, I fully expect you to do well.
 
And he kept you on your toes. Sounds like Tim is far too touchy feely and it will be a culture shock at Apple, complete with complacency among employees because they are less fearful that they will be canned...

You won't be fired by the CEO now. You'll be fired by the VP. I hear Forstall and co can be pretty *******ish.
 
Steve Jobs put together a team of individuals that will carry on his vision and preserve his legacy. Cook is very likely doing exactly what Steve wanted him to do. The roadmap is set. I'm not worried.
 
Nothing except normal behavior

I don't see in its behavior anything that is not the normal way of doing of a good CEO.
Steve Jobs built a very good team and winning is business is a team game. it the way of Apple was functioning before which is not normal.
Steve Jobs made it happen, but in a very dysfunctional way. Now Apple will go on surprising us and pleasing us with terrific products like before except that these will be the result of a team effort.
One more thing.... this team is really good and one of the main effort of Tim Cook will be to keep that team work smoothly and be coherent.
 
Hopefully he won't dismiss customer emails with a single word reply as Jobs rudely used to do.
 
Jobs was the visionary.
Ives simply designed the visions (beautifully of course).

Read Jobs bio - even though he was a visionary in many respects, as Ive states, the company has many visionaries.

Jobs main failing was that he would take credit for others ideas.

Ive is the main visionary at Apple now.
 
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