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Jony Ivy should have been the CEO, not cook. Ivy has the same talent and vision has Jobs. He's the brain. Cook is just the chef. Ivy is the manager.

I doubt Jony Ivy [sic] is management material. He is best left buried in his design man cave. We don't need Ive playing the role of the political leader, that's not where his talent is.

As for Cook, he's the complete package. Ive, while he is the vision behind all Apple products (even more so than Jobs was), he is not the complete package. I think we will see Cook a better job than Jobs could ever even imagine doing.

if you look at the history of the world, great leaders are brutal. their personalities are unique and often disliked. being softer and humble often resulted in a OK leader, not great.

No one is perfect.

The "softer and humble" leader role sounds like a certain leader we all know.
 
If Cook is refocusing on the education market this might be a good sign for the MacPro line. There are many universities and schools that would laugh at a computer company that didn't offer the ability to upgrade to PCI Express cards and other hardware. Also the processing power in a MacPro and memory expandability would almost be a necessary for many compared to what the MacMini and iMac offer.
 
People need to remember Cook was Jobs right hand man. This man is fully aware of what's going on and has the confidence that is needed to be the head honcho. It'd be completely ignorant for one to assume they know the vision or intuition that Cook has. Apple is in good hands.

I can't wait to see what's in store for the future. :):apple:
 
Like the White iPhone 4...

There's a huge difference between missing a product or service launch and missing a launch date for a different colored version of a phone you already have out. Probably to the tune of millions.

And I'm sure someone got reamed for that anyway.
 
I find it ridiculous that in the wake of Jobs' death, numerous writers seem to think he singlehandedly designed every major Apple product for the last decade.

What the **** do these people think the guys listed above were doing during this time? Jobs was a good salesman, and had strong opinions about how he wanted products to integrate. He knew what he liked and didn't like. But he had no deep technical or creative skills of his own. Jobs's genius was his ability to nurture the talent of others and recognize good work when he saw it

You have no idea what you're talking about. Read this:



When Apple introduced iDVD, they had purchased the company that developed the software platform they needed to provide the functionality. When the big meeting came for Steve Jobs to review the capabilities and recommended interfaces that the team had developed, they all got into a big room and placed all of their intricate interface designs, specifications documents, and user experience research all on the walls and prepared to wow Steve with their technical expertise and attention to detail.

When Steve Jobs got to the meeting, he looked around for a minute, then got up and walked to the board. Grabbed a dry erase marker and drew a box. He looked at the audience and said, “This is your interface” pointing to the empty box. He then drew a smaller file folder on the outside of that box. “This is the file you want to make into a DVD” pointing to the smaller file folder. He then drew an arrow from the small file folder to the box indicating the functionality, which is that you simply drag the file over the interface and drop it in. And then he walked out the door. The company was stunned and inspired, and the result is excellent.

The genius of Steve Jobs was not just in the technology he created or the products he developed; it was the method with which he packaged that technology and presented it the consumers, and I will forever be inspired by that. – Brent Williams


http://lunchpail.knotice.com/2011/10/07/paying-tribute-to-steve-jobs/
 
I've got a good feeling about Tim Cook. Wasn't wowwed by his presentation technique but sounds like he's got a good attitude on him.

The iPhone presentation: That was probably partly due to the fact he knew that S Jobs was about to die.

Give him another chance...
 
I've got a good feeling about Tim Cook. Wasn't wowwed by his presentation technique but sounds like he's got a good attitude on him.

Given the circumstances of Jobs imminent death that I'm sure he knew of. I'd say he did a pretty good job.
 
I think Apple has just about run its course anyway, even if Jobs were still around. What's the next great original product? A tv? Please. There's nowhere else to go. It'll be the next ten iPhones and iPads and nothing new will break through and they'll slowly grow out of fashion. Oh, I think Apple will still be big, but I think it has reached its apex.

I remember people saying Apple had nowhere else to go after the iPod got huge. Then they said the same thing after the iPhone.

Steve's genius was in figuring out what people needed before they knew they needed it.

Sent from my iPad 2.
 
Everything I've read about Tim Cook is very encouraging and confidence inspiring. This is a man that comes across as very consistent, level headed and one to think and take a measured approach.

One of the biggest problems he faces is the rather intense, incessant comparison to Steve. I say give the man a chance. We are all _individuals_ and that is to be celebrated.

To suggest that because Tim may not be acerbic and condescending like Steve often was with an employee, is no indicator of weakness. Or less effective leadership.

I am embracing this change, fully supporting Tim, and will allow a reasonable amount of time to go by before judging. From my perspective at this point, I am very enthused.
 
It's obvious Jony Ive is the new 'product guy', since Jobs gave him the ability to do what ever he wants, i.e., no one can put an end to his work, not even Tim Cook.

That only applied when Jobs was King. But there is a new king now, I'm sure you have noticed.

As for whether Cook can continue the magic. We will have to see. There are lots of great CEOs but only one was 'CEO of the decade'

I think Jobs true ability wasn't so much that he 'invented' everything, in fact he didn't invent hardly anything. But he could separate the wheat from the chaff. That is where his magic lay.
 
Yup, but iOS 5 iPad Music app is one of the worst Apple software in recent times.

Along with Lion Calendar and Address Book. What garbage these new interfaces are. Confusing, hiding information you want available at all times. Just 5 steps backward each.
 
Just don't go changing too much.

This is the new Apple.

Dinosaurs like yourself should live in the present not the past.

The SJ era has past. Welcome and embrace the new administration of Tim Cook under his watch Apple will move forward.
 
That only applied when Jobs was King. But there is a new king now, I'm sure you have noticed.

As for whether Cook can continue the magic. We will have to see. There are lots of great CEOs but only one was 'CEO of the decade'

I think Jobs true ability wasn't so much that he 'invented' everything, in fact he didn't invent hardly anything. But he could separate the wheat from the chaff. That is where his magic lay.

And he kept you on your toes. Sounds like Tim is far too touchy feely and it will be a culture shock at Apple, complete with complacency among employees because they are less fearful that they will be canned...
 
Tim Cook is his own man with his own style of management and quite frankly Steve did a great job rescuing the company but lets remember that it was Tim and many others who worked behind the scenes getting the good hardware deals, strategically allocating money to buy capacity thus secure supplies and streamlining Apple's business model. Yes, Apple will lack the razzle-dazzle of Steve Jobs but these days the products are pretty much marketing themselves - there isn't a need for a 'rock star' CEO to get the crowds wild given that Apple is now already in the main just like Sony, Microsoft and so forth.

If the early decisions are anything to go by I have a feeling what we'll see is a much more open Apple and one might even see Tim build some bridges with third parties that Steve Jobs burnt because of his idiosyncrasies.
 
Don't forget that Jobs was also responsible for John Sculley becoming CEO, so that's not necessarily a convincing argument.

Don't dis Sculley, he did an amazing job with the Macintosh. When they fired Steve Jobs, the Macintosh Plus wasn't even in existence - the only version of the Mac was a closed 512k thing, that even had the RAM soldered in.

Upgrades: impossible.

Keyboard: with unusable arrow keys because Steve wanted to force people to use the mouse.

It was a one-size-fits-all appliance and it was a disaster. It was under Sculley that we got the Macintosh II, that we got expandability, that we got a professional Mac, the Laser Writer, a hard drive...

If Steve Jobs had not been fired and had to eat some humble pie, learn from experience how to start and run a company by himself (i.e. NeXT) he would have helped run Apple to the ground before the 80s was over.

Instead we got Apple as a serious player with a wide portfolio and a dedicated market. Then when the late 90s hit with Microsoft running rampant, we got the new and improved Steve Jobs back.

Someone who never would have existed, had John Sculley not ousted him from Apple in 1985. :cool:
 
Jony Ivy should have been the CEO, not cook. Ivy has the same talent and vision has Jobs. He's the brain. Cook is just the chef. Ivy is the manager.

ROFLMAO. :apple:

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This is the new Apple.

Dinosaurs like yourself should live in the present not the past.

The SJ era has past. Welcome and embrace the new administration of Tim Cook under his watch Apple will move forward.

.....and quickly. ;)
 
We don't know how visionary and good Tim Cook is.

but I know that two strong tigers can't live in the same jungle for a long time.

if Tim Cook is as good or better than Jobs, he would not have worked under Jobs for that long. in other words, he is just a right hand man for Jobs but can't replace Jobs.

Good examples are Jobs and Bill Gate. they are genius and don't work under any others. They are the strong tigers and does not share jungle with any other tigers.
 
That Steve Jobs and the one who ran Apple for the last 10 years were very different people. I subscribe to the thought that if Jobs wasn't forced out, Apple would have died.

Steve Jobs would of killed Apple if he was not fired when he was. It was a good thing I believe Steve Jobs was fired. It forced him to mature. Hell I believe even Jobs stated that it was a good thing he was fired.

Jony Ivy should have been the CEO, not cook. Ivy has the same talent and vision has Jobs. He's the brain. Cook is just the chef. Ivy is the manager.

Problem is people like Ivy and Jobs do not make good CEO of large company the size of Apple. From Jobs biography he was more or less pushed to the point of making Jobs give up before windows got the iPod. That really helped kick Apple off and become big.

CEO should be a good manager who has people like Ivy below him but not steer the ship so to speak. I know I stated multiple times in the past that Jobs should of step down as CEO and moved on to another position. I think for the long term health of Apple it is really going to take off and get even better with Cook as CEO. I firmly believe Cook is a better CEO. I also willing to bet Cook as been doing a lot of the CEO stuff for a while and now that he does not have Jobs over seeing him things will get even better.
 
CEO should be a good manager who has people like Ivy below him but not steer the ship so to speak. I know I stated multiple times in the past that Jobs should of step down as CEO and moved on to another position. I think for the long term health of Apple it is really going to take off and get even better with Cook as CEO. I firmly believe Cook is a better CEO. I also willing to bet Cook as been doing a lot of the CEO stuff for a while and now that he does not have Jobs over seeing him things will get even better.

see my comment above
 
Steve Jobs would of killed Apple if he was not fired when he was. It was a good thing I believe Steve Jobs was fired. It forced him to mature. Hell I believe even Jobs stated that it was a good thing he was fired.



Problem is people like Ivy and Jobs do not make good CEO of large company the size of Apple. From Jobs biography he was more or less pushed to the point of making Jobs give up before windows got the iPod. That really helped kick Apple off and become big.

CEO should be a good manager who has people like Ivy below him but not steer the ship so to speak. I know I stated multiple times in the past that Jobs should of step down as CEO and moved on to another position. I think for the long term health of Apple it is really going to take off and get even better with Cook as CEO. I firmly believe Cook is a better CEO. I also willing to bet Cook as been doing a lot of the CEO stuff for a while and now that he does not have Jobs over seeing him things will get even better.

Wait--Jobs wasn't a good CEO? The guy who led Apple from near-bankruptcy to vying for the most valuable corporation in the world wasn't fit to be CEO?

Wow.

I tried to read everything else you wrote, but none of your other opinions matter after that turd you dropped.
 
Wait--Jobs wasn't a good CEO? The guy who led Apple from near-bankruptcy to vying for the most valuable corporation in the world wasn't fit to be CEO?

Wow.

I tried to read everything else you wrote, but none of your other opinions matter after that turd you dropped.
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Jobs was great for when he came back. Apple needed someone like him but the company grew and headed in a direction were CEO was not a good spot for him. He belonged at a different level.
 
Tim Cook is *exactly* what Apple needs right now after Jobs - someone who is low key, operational and willing to keep the ship sailing smoothly. He is an operations guy, not a product guy, and that is what is needed right now.

Remember that there's a pipeline of products where the lead time for these are in years, not months.

Apple has FOUR years of product pipeline to execute.

Tim Cook may be a transitional leader. Maybe not someone who will steer the ship 10 years from now, but at least at this point, he's the right man.

I'm guessing that Jony Ive or Eddy Cue were being groomed even before Steve's death to eventually take Tim's place.

Jony Ive may not be ready to be CEO right now immediately after Steve's death, but he very well could be with more mentorship from Tim Cook on the operations side that in a few years, he very well could be the next CEO. And if not, Eddy Cue is likely also a viable candidate.

Tim Cook is also the right man right now because you want someone who is a counterpoint to Steve's larger-than-life personality. You don't replace a larger-than-life personality with another one back to back. You want someone who won't be constantly compared to Steve Jobs if they are too similar to Steve Jobs.

Apple has an "A team" of talent across all groups. It's got probably the deepest talent pool of any Silicon Valley company. The biggest challenge for Apple in the next few years is retaining a high quality workforce.

And that's why you need a low key guy like Tim -- someone who is the opposite of Jobs' brash, egocentric style that others put up with much like the Bulls put up with Michael Jordan's ego. People can take a lot of ***** from someone they feel is a legend. But a non-legend can't behave that way and expect people to put up with it, at last at this point so soon after Steve's passing.

Tim knows that. The whole "team" thing isn't just his personality, it's very deliberate. He knows his main job is to keep the ship sailing smoothly and minimizing the risk of people jumping ship to other places.

He's got a very specific role to play in the history of Apple, and he seems to know that. He's not meant to be the next product visionary (and thankfully doesn't have to because of the huge pipeline that Apple has). But he's to keep the ship intact for the next few years so that a new product visionary can take his place to lead Apple -- and someone who is also better prepared by then such as Jony Ive or Eddy Cue.
 
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I find it ridiculous that in the wake of Jobs' death, numerous writers seem to think he singlehandedly designed every major Apple product for the last decade.

What the **** do these people think the guys listed above were doing during this time? Jobs was a good salesman, and had strong opinions about how he wanted products to integrate. He knew what he liked and didn't like. But he had no deep technical or creative skills of his own. Jobs's genius was his ability to nurture the talent of others and recognize good work when he saw it (just like back in the day when Wozniak did all the engineering). As long as Cook does the same he has nothing to worry about.

Yes but does Cook have taste?

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if it sounds too good to be true, then it is not true. No one is perfect. Jobs is known best for his vision, design, and firm with his goal. He will not bend to shareholders or small customer short-sighted demands and scarify long-term greater good. but people hate him for his brutal leadership and communication to customers. if Tim Cook is well liked with his leadership and communication to customers, then his vision will not be as good as Jobs. again, No one is perfect.

No once can replace Jobs, a visionary CEO. under Jobs, Apple has the second largest market cap right now, just behind Exxon. This is the peak, and it would take more than one Jobs to make it larger. Tim Cook is not Jobs unfortunately.

beside running a company like a regular CEO, Jobs has visions and execute well to achieve those visions. Normal CEO just know how to run a company but has no or little vision. Yahoo and Microsoft CEO are the example.

First of all no one will ever be Steve Jobs. SJ trusted Tim to lead this company so we should give Tim the chance & trust him as well. He will never be SJ and he doesn't have to be. All he needs to do is be himself and carry on the legact & creative spirit that made Apple great.

If we're going to judge Tim based on the fact if he's SJ or not then he's already failed.
 
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