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Tim Cook Reminds Employees 'Apple Is Open' After Australian Retail Store Employee Bars Black Teens

employee is worried because he thinks those young men might steal something? and everyone is talking about where is the racism?

be honest people, at least be honest to yourself. how do they really determine who is a potential robber? are there any guidelines to that? if backpack is one of them, just go to an apple store nearby and see how many people carry purse, handbags, shopping bags and so on.. are they being asked to leave? is a white woman carrying a LV purse, is a less potential robber?

here is the formula; in his entire career at Apple, if this same exact employee asked every other customer to leave just because they carried a bag, then no problem.. if not, this is called pure racism.. if there were behind the scenes actions which we don't know that shows suspicious acts, Apple would share that info, don't worry..

also, if you are scared someone is going to steal your stuff, improve your security system for your valuable things so you can stop seeing your customer a suspect.. nobody is going to steal your tables..
 
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linkgx1 said:
That's a lie. If you thought white haired old grannies stole, and actively only pursued those, then only white haired old grannies would be thieves.

As a black person, I've seen both whites and blacks steal when I was working in retail. However, in many cases the black person would get a harsher punishment. There is always 'doubt' when a white person does something. But when a black person does something, there is no doubt.
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If these people are inherently racist why are there never any reports of unfair treatment against Asians or Chinese or any other ethnic minority? Why is it always black people that cry racist? The simple fact is that a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by young black males. That's why they're targeted. It's not right but it is understandable.
 
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jesusplay said:
How do you steal from an apple store? Did they have bolt cutters? So funny that these guys used there apple products while being denied entry into an apple store. I'd be more worried about emplooyees stealing stuff.
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There are a lot of smaller, shelved items in an Apple store that fit into a backpack -- accessories, third party products, etc. They also don't have alarms / theft-detectors up front. I'm always surprised when I can walk out of there with large-ticket purchases on an honor-system...
 
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MacModMachine said:
whats your point ? everyone is made fun of at some point in their life....what makes you so special ?

im so tired of people complaining about racial this ....i was targeted that.....your not the only one... it happens to everyone, white , black , asian , doesn't matter.

you will have hard time in life if you do not learn to brush it off.

coming from someone who has had his share of bullying and being called racist names his whole life, it only makes me stronger now.
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Erm???? The thing is you see, in the real grown up world, say when you are 18 or older you are actually EXPECTED to know how to behave to your fellow men in a respectable manor, and that includes not giving a homosexual person homophobic comments, or using racist slander against a certain race.

For Example:
Personally I don't see the N word as racist, but I'm English so the only exposure I have to that word really is when people of a certain race call each other it constantly in films etc but when an opposite race does the same thing it's racist. So I don't understand the deep reasons for it being racist slander, but I also respect that I know it's a racist slander and I'm not going to walk up to an American man of that race that word affects and shout it in their faces.

Just because you don't find racist or homophobic slander upsetting doesn't mean the next person won't.

Oh and BTW, I also never consider people as a 'race', it's like calling someone an alien being from another planet just because of their skin colour. That's just my view haha. But then again you can be classed as an Alien when you're in a different country? Yet EVERYONE is a HUMAN BEING, well so far as I know.... Language is a funny thing sometimes?
 
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I don't think the guy was being racist at all. I work in retail and as with any group of young teenagers you worry they may steel something black or white. The Apple employee didn't explained why he thought they would steel something (could of just been them being young & with backpacks) HOWEVER you can't simply ask someone to leave on those grounds, if they have stolen something and you can prove it yes, ask them, if they're being idiots in the store yes ask them to leave. But you can't kick someone out on the ground they "might" steal something.
 
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JediZenMaster said:
I myself have directly and passive aggressively been the target of race discrimination and homophobia. If you have never been thru that there is no way you can even understand it.

When someone walks up to you and calls you a fag or uses the n word, porch monkey things like that then you will get it or watches you in a store just because you are dressed a certain way or your skin color is not white.
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Perhaps the following bit of information will help you greatly. If more people understood a few simple scientific/behavioral/psychological concepts and principals this would not be such an issue.

We have all experienced the same exact behaviors, suspicions, rudeness, disrespect, etc. that you have, no matter race or skin color. Employees (especially in retail), and people in general, are oftentimes rude toward others and/or just have bad days, and sometimes take it out on those around them. Stop looking at every situation as racially motivated and your life will improve. Probably <1% of your negative interactions are actual examples of racism/discrimination, the rest are the result of your own preconceived biases and flawed thinking.

-Self-fulfilling prophecy
-Expectation bias
-Confirmation bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Self+Fulfilling+Prophecy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_confirmation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer-expectancy_effect
 
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IGNORE. Duplicate posted by accident due to connection dropping, though I didn't even reload the page, so IDK how that happened. Sorry, mods!
 
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sudo1996 said:
I dunno, but it was certainly an issue when I was applying to the top U.S. private universities. "Do I have the best shot if I put white, Asian, or other?"
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LOL. Yeah that's the irony. In order to have "diversity," US colleges actually institute racism.
 
JarScott said:
A very heart felt message from Apple and Tim Cook, and the utmost respect from me for acknowledging this incident and sending out a clear message that what that employee said in no way represents Apple's values.

However there is one part that does bug me, the part where Tim mentions Apple Stores benefitting the community around them. I'm pretty sure Apple is just one of many corporate giants who continually avoid paying proper taxes in the countries in which they do their business - taxes which go on to benefit the people of that country. Apple should be at the forefront of what is right and ensure they are paying all correct taxes, in their full amount and declared in the right country. It's not a lot to ask from a company who basically have all the money in the world. Apple have the power to set a good example and set off a chain reaction.
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+1. I can't believe how greedy they are in refusing to pay tax by sneaking around the laws (yes i know what they are doing is technically legal), there is so much money that could be used by the government to improve the country, e.g. health, roads, schools ...

Links:
If Apple didn’t hold $181B overseas, it would owe $59B in US taxes

Specifically to Australia
Apple pays $193m tax in Australia on $27b revenue as Federal Government vows to capture lost taxes
Apple pays less tax than Harvey Norman on more than triple the revenue in 2012.
 
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actuallyinaus said:
+1. I can't believe how greedy they are in refusing to pay tax by sneaking around the laws (yes i know what they are doing is technically legal), there is so much money that could be used by the government to improve the country, e.g. health, roads, schools ...

Links:
If Apple didn’t hold $181B overseas, it would owe $59B in US taxes

Specifically to Australia
Apple pays $193m tax in Australia on $27b revenue as Federal Government vows to capture lost taxes
Apple pays less tax than Harvey Norman on more than triple the revenue in 2012.
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Imagine how shareholders would react if Tim Cook said: Ok, so we're going to pour a whole bunch of money into the black hole known as the IRS because it might be a nice thing to do? They would go crazy. Tim Cook cannot do that because as CEO he has the legal responsibility to act in the best interest of the shareholders, and part of that is minimising the tax burden by taxing full advantage of the tax code.

Besides, even if they do pay more tax than they are legally obligated to it will put them at a competitive disadvantage compared to the rest of the industry who does tax full advantage of the tax code.
 
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That store manager should look at his own employees if he's worried about robbery and fraud
 
Shaun said:
If these people are inherently racist why are there never any reports of unfair treatment against Asians or Chinese or any other ethnic minority? Why is it always black people that cry racist? The simple fact is that a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by young black males. That's why they're targeted. It's not right but it is understandable.
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In Australia?

There's plenty of reports of racist attacks against Asians in Australia.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-28192696


http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/couple...-for-racially-abusing-sikh-taxi-driver-528631

http://m.ndtv.com/world-news/indian-students-cars-torched-in-australia-423768

Just an example.

Have you got a source that shows a disproportionate amount of crimes are committed by young black males in Australia?
 
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linkgx1 said:
That's a lie. If you thought white haired old grannies stole, and actively only pursued those, then only white haired old grannies would be thieves.

As a black person, I've seen both whites and blacks steal when I was working in retail. However, in many cases the black person would get a harsher punishment. There is always 'doubt' when a white person does something. But when a black person does something, there is no doubt.
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Such a black and white statement is hard to believe.
 
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aront said:
Perhaps the following bit of information will help you greatly. If more people understood a few simple scientific/behavioral/psychological concepts and principals this would not be such an issue.

We have all experienced the same exact behaviors, suspicions, rudeness, disrespect, etc. that you have, no matter race or skin color. Employees (especially in retail), and people in general, are oftentimes rude toward others and/or just have bad days, and sometimes take it out on those around them. Stop looking at every situation as racially motivated and your life will improve. Probably <1% of your negative interactions are actual examples of racism/discrimination, the rest are the result of your own preconceived biases and flawed thinking.

-Self-fulfilling prophecy
-Expectation bias
-Confirmation bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Self+Fulfilling+Prophecy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_confirmation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer-expectancy_effect
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Oh yes, finally. Almost always a black guys gets some **** somewhere and he immediately thinks its racial when in reality its just some moron acting like a jerk exactly same way no matter what your colour was.

Its getting old.
 
Word on the street (here in Australia) is they were acting like ******s and race had nothing to do with it.
It's a migrant area, and like the clock-bomb kid (who attended a school that was only 10% caucasian) - this had NOTHING to do with race.

Don't believe what you hear in the media. They beat up stories to sell advertising.
 
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BlueParadox said:
Wow. Certainly one of the most ridiculous responses I've read on a forum for a while. Sincerely. You're generalising based on one (1!) person's response to you. Mind boggling.
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No, not just one person's. I've known plenty of Australians and they all seem to be behind by about 20 years when it comes to social attitudes to race and immigration. See also: your recently ex-prime minister.

See also your country's policy of 'processing' immigrants in secret in offshore centres.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-31827074
 
JediZenMaster said:
You know what man or woman there is a term for a person like you and next time you take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror it will come to you.
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There is no bounds to your mind reading skills. You apparently know all by my asking if you were present at the college. You are the JediZenMaster!
 
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Shaun said:
If these people are inherently racist why are there never any reports of unfair treatment against Asians or Chinese or any other ethnic minority? Why is it always black people that cry racist? The simple fact is that a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by young black males. That's why they're targeted. It's not right but it is understandable.
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UGH, if you don't know the answer to your own question nobody can help you....
 
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