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Racial Profiling is not an excuse, and is nothing more than racism.

Recognizing the potential recurrence of previous activity isn't racial profiling or racism, it's intelligent shop keeping. Sometimes reality doesn't fit quite well into the neat little slots of PC definitions.

Sometimes life is a bitch!
 
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You are taking everything out of context and examining only thru partial video clip. First of all this happened in HighPoint shopping Center. Google "HighPoint shopping Center crime" and be amazed. I have trouble in understanding why Apple (or any company) has a store in place like this. There has been actual riots started by young adults in this shopping Center. Then there are the other violent crimes. Please note that we are not just talking about shoplifting here. Due to these problems kids are not allowed to enter with backpacks into majority of stores there. To top it all, these same kids have caused problems in this same Apple Store and items have gone missing after their visits. For your information, it's very popular tactic to enter into a store with a group and block the security cameras with the mass of people so they have no evidence of theft. What sickens me most here is the clear positive rasicism that many are practising here. Face the facts, this happend in very troubled neighbourhood with history of violence and crime. If turning away kids who have caused problems before is rasicism then it's time to step out of that cotton candy land and face the real problems.

Facts like this makes all the difference in the world. If this is true then those kids deserved to get thrown out. If back packs aren't allowed in the store and they seemed to be doing the very MO that seemed to be the plot within the mall, then I agree, they should have been thrown out.

But none of this was mentioned..

It's important to give all of the surrounding information and not ride, "because I said so."
 

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You size people up. It's something we should do every day. If you don't it's rather foolish.

You look at facial expressions, posture - all kinds of factors.

And of course we can be wrong at times. But we're right often enough that we should pay attention to the signs. I pretty sure I could trust the guy on the right more than one (or both) of the guys I mentioned.


So, if I picked you out a group of folks at a peewee ballgame and stated that you looked like a pedophile, would I be out of line?
 
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Recognizing the potential recurrence of previous activity isn't racial profiling or racism, it's intelligent shop keeping. Sometimes reality doesn't fit quite well into the neat little slots of PC definitions.

Sometimes life is a bitch!
Do you have evidence that these boys had been caught stealing before? Otherwise what you're talking about is assumptions based on appearance, which in this case probably are racist assumptions.
 
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Do you have evidence that these boys had been caught stealing before? Otherwise what you're talking about is assumptions based on appearance, which in this case probably are racist assumptions.

This is from post #348:

You are taking everything out of context and examining only thru partial video clip. First of all this happened in HighPoint shopping Center. Google "HighPoint shopping Center crime" and be amazed. I have trouble in understanding why Apple (or any company) has a store in place like this. There has been actual riots started by young adults in this shopping Center. Then there are the other violent crimes. Please note that we are not just talking about shoplifting here. Due to these problems kids are not allowed to enter with backpacks into majority of stores there. To top it all, these same kids have caused problems in this same Apple Store and items have gone missing after their visits. For your information, it's very popular tactic to enter into a store with a group and block the security cameras with the mass of people so they have no evidence of theft. What sickens me most here is the clear positive rasicism that many are practising here. Face the facts, this happend in very troubled neighbourhood with history of violence and crime. If turning away kids who have caused problems before is rasicism then it's time to step out of that cotton candy land and face the real problems.
 
Recognizing the potential recurrence of previous activity isn't racial profiling or racism, it's intelligent shop keeping. Sometimes reality doesn't fit quite well into the neat little slots of PC definitions.

Sometimes life is a bitch!

When its a recurrence of a racist activity, then its racist.

You are apologising for racism. Pure and simple.
 
One man's racism is another man's diligence. It's all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?



I read it and it sounded credible to me. YMMV
I'm sure it did sound credible to you. Many people are willing to believe the worst about any dark skinned person without a shred of proof. That's called racism.
 
I'm sure it did sound credible to you. Many people are willing to believe the worst about any dark skinned person without a shred of proof. That's called racism.

Frankly, I'm willing to believe the worst about any person. That's what 69 years of human interaction will do to you. White, black, yellow or green... makes absolutely no difference to me.

Not racism... experience.
 
One man's racism is another man's diligence. It's all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?



I read it and it sounded credible to me. YMMV

Because you read something and it sounded credible, doesn't mean that its not anecdotal.
 
Because you read something and it sounded credible, doesn't mean that its not anecdotal.

I never said it was or wasn't anecdotal. I simply said that after reading it it sounded credible to me.

Am I not allowed to think something sounds credible? Do I need to check with you first to tell me whether I might form an opinion or not?
 
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One "the reason was because they were suspected of trying to steal something" is incorrect.
Fact just like this site has specifically stated from it's source and also from the smh.com/au site ...
"We're worried you might steal something" read that carefully with an empty mind ... clearly states "MIGHT STEAL" not 'TRYING to'.

Amazing that no matter how clear facts are put forth, either audibly or in print people will always try to hide their own opinions and misconstrue those facts to serve their opinions.

Fact the manager of the store made a direct apology after some investigation done by Apple not a third party but Apple themselves! Their not trying to play who said what who did what and any sort of finger pointing bag of tricks nor charades either, so why should you or anyone else?

This is racial profiling plain and simple. Easy to excuse, dismiss, or twist when you've never experienced it many times first hand. We've just celebrated Remembrance Day ... and a BIG part of what that day stands for and is being remembered for is sadly lost on so many today I fear we're (the human race that is) is bound to repeat our grandest of mistakes!

Secondly ... "could have noticed them trying to conceal an item before maybe putting it back" IF you pocket something only to put it back before leaving the store ... that IS stealing or attempt with intent to steal. Do you REALLY think Apple would tolerate that?! Do you REALLY think no specific store camera would ever pick that up?

BTW ... WHO is the security guard in this video ... the guy with the official Apple Grey T-Shirt with Logo = Employee no? The other guy never said anything, at least in the video and didn't even approach nor try to escort them nor even motion them on their way?!

You're still missing the key point. You're suggesting the store manager asked these kids to leave because they were black. You have absolutely no evidence to back up that assertion. There could be any number of reasons why security thought these kids "might steal". It could have been their behaviour whilst in the store gave cause for concern. You've just simply jumped on the 'if anyone does/say anything negative to a black person they must be a racist' bandwagon.
 
You are taking everything out of context and examining only thru partial video clip. First of all this happened in HighPoint shopping Center. Google "HighPoint shopping Center crime" and be amazed. I have trouble in understanding why Apple (or any company) has a store in place like this. There has been actual riots started by young adults in this shopping Center. Then there are the other violent crimes. Please note that we are not just talking about shoplifting here. Due to these problems kids are not allowed to enter with backpacks into majority of stores there. To top it all, these same kids have caused problems in this same Apple Store and items have gone missing after their visits. For your information, it's very popular tactic to enter into a store with a group and block the security cameras with the mass of people so they have no evidence of theft. What sickens me most here is the clear positive rasicism that many are practising here. Face the facts, this happend in very troubled neighbourhood with history of violence and crime. If turning away kids who have caused problems before is rasicism then it's time to step out of that cotton candy land and face the real problems.

At last someone with some actual facts to clarify this issue. Best post in this forum.
 
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