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It's hard to argue against Tim's BS. Tell this same thing Tim regarding to China or Russia. Oh, you won't do that.. I see.
Profits über alles... the human rights and dignity of far away people cost shareholders cash money... and that's a hard no bueno.

Slapping that little twerp Zuck around is cheap... and fun
 
From a company that searches workers' bags on unpaid time.

Yes, hard to argue to against privacy, I agree.

Why did they ever make the hardware identifiers available to developers (UDID)? Why do they continue to make IDFA available?

They're saying you have a right to know about something --that they themselves invented and introduced in iOS 6 (IDFA) and didn't tell you about for years and make it look like the developers were doing something sketchy when they were using APIs Apple created.

If it's bad, just get rid of it.

"searches", as in still happening? Or was this shady practice abolished? If they are no longer doing this, then you are spreading misinformation. Please clarify.

"didn't tell you about", as in they kept it a secret? Consumers are well aware that any ad-sponsored app (or website) does some tracking of some form. It's not a secret. This very website (MacRumors) is exploiting us users for profit, yet here we are, happily tracked. Do you blame Apple for allowing this when using a Mac?

"get rid of it"... unfortunately, nothing is that black-and-white. If Apple did as you said, there'd be another whole group of people that would complain because Apple didn't consult them. You claim Apple did something without consent, and yet your solution is for Apple to just "do something" without getting consent.

The ATT is about giving users control. We should be applauding them. Life is an evoluttion.. technology is an evolution. We learn from the past. We can't possibly think of everything on day one. You are not born knowing algebra or how to cook spaghetti. You learn it from trial-and-error. Same with technology. Apple is implementing something that they've "learned" is a good idea.
 
Tim Cook realises that (the illusion of) privacy is a commodity, which he is willing to sell to the public. Facebook encroaches on his sales pitch. (FWIW I don't have facebook because they are a terrible company, so I don't care either way)
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Note: this is not political, but within the context of privacy to show that Apple can be duplicious by stating one thing about privacy publicly and doing another thing privately - and that they do so by being friendly with administrations.

Apple clearly wants to make an ad ecosystem - with the app store, Apple Music, Apple TV, Apple Fitness, Apple Health (hello Pharma tie-ins!) - at a certain point they will be in all the markets that have revenue potential. That will not be a good thing.
This is sold as "privacy", but it's a convenient sell for Apple.

I have to admit, you’ve made a pretty compelling argument. I’ve found the Podesta emails to be quite illuminating on how politicians and wealthy elites operate and how they really view regular folks like us (hint: we’re a blob that have been stripped of any identity in their eyes...like zombies).
 
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This is sold as "privacy", but it's a convenient sell for Apple.
Privacy is a personal definition it seems. I don’t care how Apple uses my Pii to sell me more Apple. But don’t sell or give away my information to third parties without my consent, and let me opt out at will.
 
Says the CEO of a company which literally recorded people’s conversations without their knowledge and sent them to third party contractors! Kudos to focus on privacy but for the love of god start practicing what you preach.
They do. They got their feet held to the fire due to their privacy terms. This is why when they do something like that, it's such big news and they pull back from it and apologize. Google/Facebook don't do that because they tell you right in their ToS "hey, we're spying on you. We're selling your data. That's why all our services are free...you're paying for it through us watching every thing you do".

So yeah, Apple did that...and their customers slapped the hell out of them and they are now "practicing what they preach". Anything else?
 
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Take apple and Facebook out of the equation...would you rather that people had access to your private life without your consent? Would you let someone come into your home and document what you watch, what you look up, what you listen to, what you eat, what you talk about with friends, without your permission? I'm not saying you shouldn't want to allow those things, but do you want someone to be able to do that whether you want them to or not?

This isn't about what they collect, its about educating you so you can giving them informed consent to do so. I personally don't mind if they know I searched for a braised beef recipe, but I want to give them permission to know I searched for it.

There was one app that I looked at the privacy settings for and found it was gathering my health data and sending it to third parties. I deleted that app. I had no idea of the extent that app gathered my info. At least now we can make an informed opinion.
 
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Maybe we be more sympathetic if Facebook actually respected and protected user data, but they don't.

Facebook’s Data Breaches – A Timeline

Holy Crap :eek: I have been a Facebook critic for years because of their utter disregard for user (and non-user) privacy. But even I did not realize there had been that many breaches. I had never seen it laid out in a timeline like that. Thanks for sharing the link.
 
Take apple and Facebook out of the equation...would you rather that people had access to your private life without your consent? Would you let someone come into your home and document what you watch, what you look up, what you listen to, what you eat, what you talk about with friends, without your permission? I'm not saying you shouldn't want to allow those things, but do you want someone to be able to do that whether you want them to or not?

This isn't about what they collect, its about educating you so you can giving them informed consent to do so. I personally don't mind if they know I searched for a braised beef recipe, but I want to give them permission to know I searched for it.

There was one app that I looked at the privacy settings for and found it was gathering my health data and sending it to third parties. I deleted that app. I had no idea of the extent that app gathered my info. At least now we can make an informed opinion.

You bring up a good point by removing the companies and focusing on the actions. So the question is do you have any say in how data any company collects from and/or about you is used and shared? SHOULD you have any say? Most companies actually act as if the answer is no, you don’t even if they won’t admit that. So maybe we shouldn’t allow people and companies that have a large financial stake in collecting and selling data to be the arbitrators of what is ethical or not.
 
That won’t happen. Too many use FB.
I gotta agree with this. When some companies get too big, they're entrenched. Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, you name it. AFAIK, Apple definitely has concerns about losing some of these apps (e.g. Google Maps, Facebook, Uber), despite having beefs with them since I can see many flocking to their competition if these services were no longer available (although I hear Apple Maps is good these days)
 
I gotta agree with this. When some companies get too big, they're entrenched. Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon, you name it. AFAIK, Apple definitely has concerns about losing some of these apps (e.g. Google Maps, Facebook, Uber), despite having beefs with them since I can see many flocking to their competition if these services were no longer available (although I hear Apple Maps is good these days)

I’ve had problems with Waze, Google and Apple Maps. Nothing drastic or dramatic, but missing streets or old data. Usually you are close enough that the map being slightly wrong doesn’t matter. New features tend to show up on Google or Waze before they show up on Apple Maps. Apple Maps has/had a 3D street view but I still don’t know of anyplace near me that they have that feature available. Maybe it’s there but the feature itself was only a passing fad.
 
I’ve had problems with Waze, Google and Apple Maps. Nothing drastic or dramatic, but missing streets or old data. Usually you are close enough that the map being slightly wrong doesn’t matter. New features tend to show up on Google or Waze before they show up on Apple Maps.
I actually find the opposite….Apple maps consistently has more up to date maps in the areas I frequent in Australia as can be seen below.

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I actually find the opposite….Apple maps consistently has more up to date maps in the areas I frequent in Australia as can be seen below.

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I live in what is known in the US as flyover country. There are a lot of cities that have a larger population than my entire state. And it is a relatively large state- about 804 kilometers long and 225 k’s north to south. Just not a lot of people. So we aren’t last on the lists for getting updates on any map service but we are closer to the bottom than the top.
 
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