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Tim Cook Says App Store Would Become a 'Flea Market' if Third-Party Payment Systems Were Allowed
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There is no proof of that piracy costs billions through the years, all marketing B$ statistics for shareholder & Co.
In case of Adobe it was even the piracy that made them become THE de facto industry standard.
The small ones who pirate Apps wouldn't buy it anyway.
The ones who pirate professionally, will always find a way to do it.
These fictive billions you're are talking about "is caused" by Key resellers, and by selling Keys created with Keygens. etc.
Usually done in India, China, etc. but again most people who pirates wouldn't buy the legit App/Game anyway, thats not money lost at all.
Look at e.g CD Project Games, they don't even include anti piracy solutions e.g. like Denuvo, etc. per default, their newest Games goes directly to GOG and sells like crazy DRM-free there.
Or look at MP3s, non DRM MP3s did even revive the sales, Thanks Steve Jobs (RIP).
These piracy stats are senseless statictics based on nothing, and people like to pick them up from the net over and over again.
Apple can’t ”simply drop their rates” if doing so doesn’t cover their costs. In that case, a different pricing model will have to be used such as Apple charging every developer a fee for every api used, hosting, bandwidth and all of the other services that are currently subsidised by the larger developers that actually make money.
If that 3 in 1 actually disappear off of the App Store because, as a small developer or independent, they cannot afford to compete with the larger developers then that may be an antitrust issue…where larger developers conspire (“Coalition for App Fairness”) to fundamentally alter the App Store to their benefit, and not that of ”all developers”.
As it stands, the App Store is the most equitable solution. Those larger developers who earn the most help subsidise the costs of the developers who earn little to nothing. This gives us a greater choice of apps and helps keep prices low.
If there’s no competition from smaller devs or independents, the larger devs will be free to set whatever prices they want. This may be an anti-trust issue.
Basically you’re agreeing about potentially easy it is to devalue the hard work that apple put into the App Store should a scenario about multiple app stores bond into being?
You can actually do that right now, for free.
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LMAO the folks on MR are just forum members posting opinions for LIKES while the "spin doctors" in Cupertino are enjoying their many billions of dollars. I would bet the spin doctors in Cupertino are a LOT smarter.
Aren't you taking this "flee market" nonsense a little too far? It's been mocked a millions times today. Reminds me of this forum who can't let go of "You're holding it Wrong" or "Courage". 🙄
1 Petabyte, if your App produces that high amount of data/traffic you'll have other problems.
You know it's all automated, they don't check it all down manually. Simply ditch AppReviews and force open side loading.
There are other free Maps solutions out there that can be used. OpenStreetMap has even more content to offer than AppleMaps. And correct me if I'm wrong AppleMaps is AppleOS+(inofficially)Web only. No Windows, no Android = senseless.
You surely mean great abandoned frameworks like SpriteKit and SceneKit?
Yeah, sell in China, and risk being sued by some craziness, No Thanks!
Not evebody likes to play Evil Advocate like Apple. Google at least shows more moral on this one.
You realised there aren't 3 millions front pages, right? But they love to make empty promises.
Sure not it's all in the 20%, you probably could get it for less. Nothing is free in the wallet garden.
LOL sorry I don't want to comment this one...
Nothing is free, it's included in the 20%. Testflight was born out of desperation to circumvent Apple limitations and simplify testing, because Apple was unable to provide something decent to it's devs, it got later bought by Apple.
Really? You know that this just mainly serves Apple to lower the server space usage.
And you have to specially code for this feature, which puts you in another vendor lock-in.
Push notification, really? Just a webservice that even can be downloaded for free...
Vendor lock-in no usage for Windows,Android, non-sense.
LOL a killer feature, totally worth mentioning.
You mean this puts Apple nearer to their goal, of locking-in macOS completely.
You pay this with 99$€+20%
There are plenty of frameworks that does the same, nothing special in here, too.
and the alternatives goes on.
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Why don’t they just shut the App Store down for a week and watch developers beg for it to come back online?
I see no value in the AppStore it's a pure mess to search for anything new there, you need to know what to search for.
It's easier to search on Google, and find/read about some new App on a serious App Review site, than to find anything new usable on the AppStore. I acknowledge their work, but the AppStore it's nothing special, the AppStore is just a Webview to some java based html site. It's backend is complex for sure, but just because they wanted it to be like that, due to all the build-in lock-in, not because it can't be made easier.
Security through obscurity!
All good point but you are exaggerating. How many developers use 1PB? Very very few so it's not like Apple is paying for massive storage. Likewise how many apps are 1GB in size. Again very very few. Not even Apple apps.
How do you live in a world? Do you tell Target to lower prices and take less profit on items? What about McDonalds?
The comment about lock-in is pure speculation on your part.
I am amazed that there about 100,000 submitted every week. That about 40,000 are rejected. I know a lot would be updates but that is a lot of apps every week.
I'll leave this here.
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The story about Mercedes is not a new one .. 17 million made on a pretty niche piece of software with the added trickle down effect that potentially cost legitimate dealers a whole lot more over the course of it being out in the wild.
I've done work in companies that should have been paying thousands in licensing fee's each on professional software packages (and sure, eventually they went legit). But the fact remains that for the longest time they did not, and as a result software companies lost alot of monies that should have been paid to them.
Come on guys...
Apple creates tools for ANYONE to develop apps for the iOS ecosystem... and lets you deliver apps to a billion users. The platform seems to be pretty popular, right?
And all Apple wants in exchange is a percentage of sales.
Don't like it? You don't HAVE to be a part of Apple's iOS ecosystem. There's the door... 🚪
Epic is not competing with Apple in any way or form. IMHO they just want to pay nothing to gain the benefits of having access to iOS customers.
Like? Securely Processing payments is cheap these days. Hosting the app is cheap (the devs could do it themselves for much less). Marketing? Any app that wants to succeed has to invest in marketing, just submitting to the AppStore is no longer enough. (So again, the devs, on top of the 15-30% fee they still have to invest in ads/marketing).
The AppStore offered lots of benefits back in 2008. Back then it made a lot of sense. But today the market is so crowded and technology has become so cheap, that apple’s fees objectively only make sense to Apple.
A couple of questions:
1) Do you have an iPhone?
2) WHY did you buy it, what were the exact reasons?
I'd be really interested to see as you clearly have great disdain for the services that Apple provides (as evidenced across multiple posts and threads). There is vastly cheaper options available in the Android/ Linux space, with better on-paper hardware specs and >100 different apps stores to froth over.
I just don't get how supposedly intelligent people would purchase a product as expensive as an iPhone without doing a heap of research first. AND, in the weeks after purchasing, if they found so many things distasteful, why didn't they return it? Apple offer an unconditional 14 day return program worldwide on all hardware.
If you don't have an iPhone, then why even comment other than being a troll? Without skin in the game, you're just another opinion commenting from the sidelines.
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So does Microsoft for Windows. And Apple for OS X. And Linux, and web browsers. All of the aforementioned except OS X are more popular and widely used than iOS. And they charge $0 to use their APIs.
So what's the problem in choosing any of those options instead of complaining about Apple's business model?
