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Tim Cook Says App Store Would Become a 'Flea Market' if Third-Party Payment Systems Were Allowed
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If Apple are so bothered about the user experience, then it'd be the best user experience if they offered their service to developers at cost, rather than making a profit from it. That'd soon put an end to all this debate, and would give them a competitive advantage to Google.
That would be epic. We’ll be closer to fewest possible apps on the phone considering data-thieving apps usually kill all functionality if you kill their data pipeline.
If the AppStore was a “safe and trusted place" to discover apps we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Search is still a nightmare and scam apps and fake reviews are everywhere.
I agree with you and came to say the exact same thing, what we're talking about is an additional option, the option does not take away the existing payment option, it offers choice. But obviously they are going to paint it like this, cause it's what suits them.
Having a 3rd party payment would be an additional payment option, Tim. An option. You know what "option" means, Tim?
Having a 3rd party payment option wouldn't make the App Store a flea market... no more so than a brick and mortar store having payment options aside from cash.
Does a brick and mortar store offering cash, check, debit, and credit card payments make it a flea market? No.
Does it dramatically lower the volume of customers going to the store? No.
Would it be bad for the customer? No.
The only thing that would be bad is Apple losing out on their 15% or 30% cut of the transaction. That's what Apple is worried about.
Want to talk about "confidence level," Tim. Let's talk about the confidence an app store user had in your App Store which lead to the loss of 17.1 bitcoins or of the App Store allowing scammers to rake in millions through the fake apps.
It wouldn't. Because if it was, by Tim Cook's definition the App Store is already a flea market. There are hundreds, if not thousands of apps that implement their own CC processing/payment systems as they are linked to "real world" goods. Uber, Amazon, Lyft, GrubHub, Walmart, Target. Every one requires you to enter your card to pay.
Allowing third party payment would cause cheaper pricing models and better apps to exist. Apps that can't exist while giving away 30% margin.
Apple should have an easy win - their payment system should be the best/easiest for both developers and users. But they don't want to have to compete, so instead we get these rules.
Allowing third party payment would cause cheaper pricing models and better apps to exist. Apps that can't exist while giving away 30% margin.
Apple should have an easy win - their payment system should be the best/easiest for both developers and users. But they don't want to have to compete, so instead we get these rules.
developers can already use the internet to process payments.
Try to buy netflix on ios. you can't. same thing with other big names.
And apple doesn't charge the little guy any more on the first million of sales.
Try to buy netflix on ios. you can't. same thing with other big names.
And apple doesn't charge the little guy any more on the first million of sales.
So because some people don't like flea markets, let's forbid them. Because people can't chose for themselves.
btw a ruling against apple here would mean someone like roku would have to allow a 3rd party store on its platform.
Lots of minorities and poor people buy android so I guess apple is racist. lol. Come on.
Everyone is....this is a ridiculous case. No one wants this change because everyone loves Apple security. Epic get lost!!
No. The point is offering an alternative to the flea market which also exists.
The alternative argument is that we should only have flea markets.
It makes a bit of sense to me. I'm pretty selective about giving out my payment information. I don't want to sign up for Walmart Pay, for example, because I don't want them to have my payment information.
Having an "option" to use a different payment method for an App seems reasonable but I don't see myself using it most of the time. If this goes as far as allowing developers to opt-out of using Apple's payment system completely then I could see volume dropping for that app because of trust, etc. Therefore it's probably in an App's best interest to always allow Apple's system.
If there are issues that come from 3rd party payment solutions in apps from hacks, etc. would that then reflect negatively on the Apple brand? iPhone? iOS? App Store? Probably. People's opinions of a product can be affected by anything, even when it has nothing to do with them. So I can see it harming Apple in the end.
Having an "option" to use a different payment method for an App seems reasonable but I don't see myself using it most of the time. If this goes as far as allowing developers to opt-out of using Apple's payment system completely then I could see volume dropping for that app because of trust, etc. Therefore it's probably in an App's best interest to always allow Apple's system.
If there are issues that come from 3rd party payment solutions in apps from hacks, etc. would that then reflect negatively on the Apple brand? iPhone? iOS? App Store? Probably. People's opinions of a product can be affected by anything, even when it has nothing to do with them. So I can see it harming Apple in the end.
I don't know where Android walked into the conversation. The OP quoted Tim Cook looking down on flea markets, which has a lot of minority and poor patrons.
I suspect Tim Cook looks down on Android which has a lot of minority and poor patrons. Walmart has a lot of minority and poor patrons. That doesn't mean you are a racist if you don't like those experiences.
And what is this racist nonsense anyway. I haven't been to a flee market in 20 years, but last I went it was very white - CDs, bongs and biker art... All part of my implicit bias I guess.
Yea, I don't want to download one of those flea market acquired apps that rips people off for hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of bitcoin.
Maybe, but he has kept those thoughts private to himself. Here he did do a press release looking down upon an establishment popular with minority and poor people. Thoughts and actions do matter.
Apple is still pushing those ridiculous figures regarding "supported" jobs. Complete misrepresentation and BS.
I’m confused by this as well. Weird reach.
When’s the last time you opened Cydia?