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The story I hear is that developers want competition to the Apple App Store and google play store, but also don’t want to have to do any work to facilitate that competition.
What I am hearing is that developers don't necessarily want more competition; they just want a "better deal" on iOS (eg: lower / zero rates, not being held hostage by app review). This would allow them to continue doing what they are already doing, while (hopefully) getting more money out of it.
 
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Probably not. But I probably wouldn’t go on record waving my hands in the air about how there’s nothing that can be done about it. Just say you can but you won’t or don’t say anything at all.
At some point that price increase will become visible anyway. 🤷🏼‍♂️

People will then complain they weren’t warned. Sometimes the cards you are dealt are just that: bad cards.
 
What I am hearing is that developers don't necessarily want more competition; they just want a "better deal" on iOS (eg: lower / zero rates, not being held hostage by app review). This would allow them to continue doing what they are already doing, while (hopefully) getting more money out of it.
This +1
 
Unfortunately that’s not how businesses work. For some reason there has to be constant growth. 🤷🏼‍♂️
A lower profit margin doesn’t have to mean less growth. But obviously they know that at Apple and find the sweet spot of maximising profits to keep shareholders happy. The current profit margin is just pure greed.
 
A lower profit margin doesn’t have to mean less growth. But obviously they know that at Apple and find the sweet spot of maximising profits to keep shareholders happy. The current profit margin is just pure greed.
The cost of memory and ssd upgrades at Apple has been for years.

It is what it is.
 
Honestly I think part of the problem (or the biggest part) is the lack of more competition. Smartphones? A duopoly between Apple and Google. Computers? A duopoly between Apple and Microsoft. Yes, we have Linux with its good and not so good particularities, but… I still don’t see it as a reliable and accessible alternative.

Yeah but isn't Linux known for months- and years-long uptimes? Isn't that pretty reliable?

And can't one download linux for free in a matter of minutes from various Linux distro web pages? And run a graphical installer than isn't any trickier than a Windows or macOS system installer? Isn't that pretty accessible?
 
The RAM crisis presents the computing industry with a unique opportunity to slow down chipset production to better innovate in software. I imagine if there were no AI Apple would be ramming 12/16gb chips into all its phones but instead we're in a position that power has stagnated so optimisation has taken hold.

OS27 is genuinely the best update they've ever put out. Everything they said about optimisations and speed is true to the point that the Beta 1 adds no battery drain and speeds up everything. The things that have been bugging me for years (like the latest Watch taking so long to load the 'now playing' interface you may as well just get out your phone) are now gone.

It’s the same with the videogame market. Sony and Microsoft seem to think that launching their next consoles in 2027 at close to $1000 in cost is a sensible idea, all the while the current crop have barely been pushed at all. Waiting 5 years for the market to settle whilst optimising software development for current devices makes a lot more financial sense sorry

The RAM crisis presents the computing industry with a unique opportunity to slow down chipset production to better innovate in software. I imagine if there were no AI Apple would be ramming 12/16gb chips into all its phones but instead we're in a position that power has stagnated so optimisation has taken hold.

OS27 is genuinely the best update they've ever put out. Everything they said about optimisations and speed is true to the point that the Beta 1 adds no battery drain and speeds up everything. The things that have been bugging me for years (like the latest Watch taking so long to load the 'now playing' interface you may as well just get out your phone) are now gone.

Its the same with the videogame market. Sony and Microsoft seem to think that launching their next consoles in 2027 at close to $1000 in cost is a sensible idea, all the while the current crop have barely been pushed at all. Waiting 5 years for the market to settle whilst optimising software development for current devices makes a lot more financial sense.
Sorry, but there is no Ram crisis at all, everybody have it and everybody happy about it
 
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Not surprising. I’ve been telling people if they want a Mac with a higher memory capacity to buy now before prices go up.

My guess is that Tim Cook is doing this as cover for John Ternus so that he doesn’t look like the “bad guy” at his first major product announcement as CEO raising prices. Cook described the increase in demand for RAM as a “100-year flood.”
Anything beyond 96 GB is difficult to come by already. The days of 512GB studios have been gone for some time now.

And yes, in all of my 30 years in tech i have NEVER seen cost increases like this.

I've seen servers go from:

128 GB, 4TB SSD mirror and 8 cores @ 10k AUD
to
96 GB, 4TB SSD mirror and 8 cores @ 45k AUD

Its crazy. If you think apple pricing is bad.... try buying some enterprise server gear right now. it is absolutely bananas. My standard "small satellite office" bill of materials has gone from like 50 grand to 160k in 9 months.
 
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The RAM crisis presents the computing industry with a unique opportunity to slow down chipset production to better innovate in software. I imagine if there were no AI Apple would be ramming 12/16gb chips into all its phones but instead we're in a position that power has stagnated so optimisation has taken hold.

OS27 is genuinely the best update they've ever put out. Everything they said about optimisations and speed is true to the point that the Beta 1 adds no battery drain and speeds up everything. The things that have been bugging me for years (like the latest Watch taking so long to load the 'now playing' interface you may as well just get out your phone) are now gone.

Its the same with the videogame market. Sony and Microsoft seem to think that launching their next consoles in 2027 at close to $1000 in cost is a sensible idea, all the while the current crop have barely been pushed at all. Waiting 5 years for the market to settle whilst optimising software development for current devices makes a lot more financial sense.
That’s just the way it is, right? We are told to get a job and earn money so we can buy new things. For that dream to continue, there have to be new things to buy even if the old thing was still perfectly fine.

Apple has pretty much perfected this because there they are, every year, like clockwork, with new hardware.

And that’s coming from a company that pretends to do good for Mother Nature.
 
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Yes, we have Linux with its good and not so good particularities, but… I still don’t see it as a reliable and accessible alternative.
Just because you don't see it that way doesn't mean it's not an accessible alternative. Takes about 15 minutes to put Linux Mint on an old machine. Hell, I still have an old 11 inch macbook air on linux I carry in a bag.
 
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I don’t know what to tell you, except it does not work like that. Let’s say that a 3rd mobile OS launches. Let’s call it Number 3 for the sake of argument. Number 3 is unknown to the masses. A dozen devs porting their exiting apps to Number 3? Yeah, that would make no difference.

You would require a combined effort of all developers to port their apps to Number 3, so that Number 3 would have a similar App Store compared to iOS and Android.
This is 100% a 2016 mindset. Everything is in the cloud at this point. Want to do documents on your phone or tablet, Google Docs and Office365 just run in the web browser. Want to watch video, all on the web pages. Social Media, Facebook, X, Instagram, all work on the web.

The most valuable asset people have right now in their own personal technology isn't apps, it's their bookmark folder.
 
Apple is a business. Trillion, billion, local mom-and-pop stores, all have the same goal of a business: to make money. To make money they need to raise prices when costs go up. This is normal. The best we can hope for is they don't F us over in other ways making inferior products (same as your local restaurant not reducing portions while raising prices).

As a consumer we can choose to not buy as much when the prices go up. I still use an iPhone 13 and very happy with it. When I need to upgrade I can delay by another year. Complaining about a company trying to make more money is like complaining about water being wet.
It is amazing that thousands of years after the summerian marketplaces, and hundreds of thousands of years of human species exchanging goods, with books and internet and publicly available education and studies of economic systems....

...that people with the capacity to participate in an web-based forum, still don't understand what you posted.

nobody owes anybody else the burden of "absorbing costs". apple's suppliers have the right to ASK their prices for input goods and apple have the right to ASK their prices for finished goods and all 8 billion people in the world have the right to CHOOSE the products they want to buy at the prices appropriate to them.

what kind of indoctrination have infiltrated people's mind that any time sellers raise prices, it's greedy and bad, but as buyers they all the time demand to pay the lowest amount of price but that's totally not greedy or something.

absolutely no recognition or reflection on the hypocrisy and assymetry of their demands.

apple wants to earn money.
you want to keep your earned money.
where you both meet, is where the transaction happens.
you have no more right to their products than they do to your money.
 
What these big companies often fail to mention is why memory and storage prices are so bad that they need to raise prices. That’s because they are the ones dumping massive piles of cash into all things AI, so they are effectively the ones creating the scarcities.

Is it your view that Apple is "dumping massive piles of cash" into AI, expecting that they exceed that expenditure in the marginal pricing increase of their hardware?

When the AI companies are all operating at a net loss, they are creating a scarcity for what?

When investors are capitalizing the expenditure in AI spending, are they expecting a profit due to future AI demand, or do they expect an AI dead-end and just enjoy throwing away money for fun? i.e., what is driving the spending in AI?
 
This problem will not go away for the next 5-10 years because there simply isn't enough AI compute to meet demand, but especially future demand as models require larger and larger memories to be able to open them. Micron is all datacenter now, no consumer pipeline. Samsung, SK Hynix are in no rush to end the premium price, thanks to insane demand.

I think Apple would need to partner with Micron and finance a new fab for DDR5/ DDR6 production if they want to secure RAM for the next 50 years but that would already take ~10 years before it comes online.

AI isn't going away, the need for more compute isn't going away. This is a major problem that isn't solved by running factories at full tilt.

Buy your computer today that will serve you for the next ~5-6 years. It's going to get a lot more ugly before it gets better.
 
The real question: will the prices go down if the AI hype has cooled down?
Wrong question. The question is this... is AI actually hype? I see lots of people think that AI hype is not hype, but a fad. We'll get over this and then we won't have AI as a problem anymore. The hype could very well be real when we talk about company valuations who create these AI models and agents, but the use of it will not go down.

This thread has a story about someone who had to start using AI to keep up with the other companies they were bidding against. Look at how many people, in your own community, are doing little AI projects. From announcements for non-profits to people advertising their garage sells.

But, most interestingly is education. I'm either blessed or cursed to know plenty of people in education in my life. Besides reafirming I made the right career choice to never touch a classroom, they are constantly being pushed by administrators, school boards, and even the students to work with AI. It's being worked into the actual teaching materials. And don't even get me started on what they say students are doing with assignments and AI. I know one lady who believes she hasn't read a real paper in like 2 years.

The money side of AI may be hype, but this is not going anywhere. People have already become dependent on it and it won't be going anywhere.
 


Apple is raising its prices to offset the high cost of memory and storage, CEO Tim Cook told The Wall Street Journal. Apple is no longer able to absorb the increased prices and will need to pass some of the cost on to consumers.

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"Unfortunately, price increases are unavoidable," said Cook. "We're doing our best to mitigate the huge increases that are being passed to us, and we've been trying to shield our customers from the increases, but the situation has become unsustainable."

Cook did not say which products will get price increases or how much pricing will go up. The iPhone 18 Pro and iPhone 18 Pro Max coming in September could be more expensive than the iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max. Prices on iPads and Macs could go up in the near future.

Apple already raised the price of the Mac mini from $599 to $799 by eliminating its lowest-tier model. Apple has also eliminated several higher-tier Mac mini and Mac Studio options.

Growing demand for memory and storage chips from AI companies has led to chip shortages and higher costs. The Wall Street Journal suggests Apple will need to increase device costs "substantially" to maintain its current profit margins given the cost of memory chips and SSDs. Research firm TechInsights claims Apple will need to make the iPhone 18 Pro around $270 more expensive to keep its existing profit margin.

Apple is struggling more with memory chips, but storage chips are also an issue. "There's less supply at a time when consumers want devices and the memory guys are passing along huge price increases," Cook told The Wall Street Journal. Cook said Apple will use its cash to increase memory supply, but he did not give details on what that means.

Apple does not plan to create its own memory and storage factories. "We can't do everything," Cook said. "We know what we're good at."

While memory chip makers like Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron are increasing production capacity, much of that added capacity will prioritize server chips. Demand for consumer-device chips is expected to continue to outpace supply. At the same time, Apple needs to increase the DRAM in its devices to support new AI features. Cook likened the memory shortages to a hundred-year flood. "I've never seen anything like it in any area in over 40 years," he said.

Apple is one of the largest purchasers of memory and storage worldwide, but it is likely reluctant to make the same deals AI companies do. Those deals involve signing multi-year agreements with a large cash prepayment.

Multiple companies have already raised their prices, including Samsung, Microsoft, Sony, and Dell.


Article Link: Tim Cook Says Apple Price Increases Are 'Unavoidable' Due to Memory Costs
Price increases are unavoidable due to less product supply with more product demands. Memory units have been demanded more than ever with significant growth of AI technology impacting computing processors. All make sense!!
 
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