And right there is proof Apple is not a monopoly.
I find it hilarious that you’re absolutely convinced Apple is a monopoly, then provide a link that refutes your claims with multiple examples.
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Tim Cook Says Apple 'Should be Scrutinized' But Disputes Claims Company is a Monopoly
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And right there is proof Apple is not a monopoly.
I find it hilarious that you’re absolutely convinced Apple is a monopoly, then provide a link that refutes your claims with multiple examples.
Can you share some of that proof you're referring to that you found in the FTC link I shared?
Looks like you didn’t read the FTC link. Again you’re trying to change the definition of a monopoly to constrain it to “only” The App Store when the actual market is smartphones with Android or iOS. And Android has the “monopoly”.
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Why? Because you can’t do your own homework? Sorry, went down this road with you last time - not going to waste my time again with someone who isn’t really here to have an actual discussion.
Who said I focused on the percentage? You guys really like to make wild assumptions based on so little.
Nah. You’re being overly pessimistic on purpose. Cook has surpassed heights Jobs never did and in the same respect, it was Mr. Jobs who specifically chose Cook to be his successor, which I suspect Jobs would be proud of Cooks accomplishments with Apple and how the company continues to thrive/grow in a variety of avenues.
I don't know about the worst choice ever but I'd guess far from the best. He would've made a solid right hand man to someone else though, like he was doing with Steve Jobs. Who knows though, Steve made some wacky choices in his days of being sick (healing via a fruit diet anyone?) so maybe we can lump in that category.
Thanks for making this video "not available in [my] region".
Why is he talking about immigration of all things? Special discounts for illegal Mexican aliens?
Why is he talking about immigration of all things? Special discounts for illegal Mexican aliens?
Why? Are people forced to use products by any of those companies?
Why? He's making amazing products and making AAPL shareholders tons of money. I, for one, love the Tim Cook era.
And Walmart has 100% of sales in Walmart stores! Outrageous, right? That’s a monopoly according to you I suppose. Should I be able to get space at Walmart to sell what I want?
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He’s been very good for the company by any metric. I’d guess it’s something else they’re mad about. The worst Apple could have done was try and create another SJ. Was never going to happen.
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Absolutely agree. Now, if I could pick the sources, any source, and Apple News was just a single place to view said sources, then I’d use the app. Otherwise, no, spank you.
Didn't someone on this site make a bingo game or something like that out of the most overused, cliché whines and complaints from forum members? I swear that's a real thing but I can't for the life of me find it anywhere on MR
If someone answers nervously, cautiously, or incoherently, their answer may be insincere.
That said, I wonder if some reporters are using auto-dictate to transcribe conversations. One of the recent WWDC quotes from Craig (I think) was unintelligible gibberish.
No they don’t overlook that. Only weirdos and communists believe in utopia. Free markets are the best thing we have, are the most moral system we have, and create the most wealth and opportunity for human flourishing compared to other systems. They produce all sorts of difficult challenges and ups and downs. Free markets are the best compared to alternatives they are not utopias. But their track record of raising humanity from poverty is so amazing and the track record of many other systems is so terrible that we praise free markets.
Excellent interview and if there is one thing I have to give to Tim is his stand on privacy which is quite the opposite of Google,Mircrosoft and Facebook amongst a few others out there
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Warren is chasing the bus now so surprised she's not dropped out yet.
His argument is decent. But there is also cases going way back when railroads were sued for anti-competitive behavior because they bought up a steel company, for example, and then leveraged their ownership of the railroads to drive the other steel company out of business. That is sort of what you have with apple music vs spotify.
Also MS had to ~unbundle IE from Windows ~20 years ago because it was an unfair advantage over Netscape.
Also note the house brands of Walmart compete by giving the customer a lower price. Apple Music doesn't do this. It charges what Spotify charges and then makes it difficult for Spotify to compete because Apple Music doesn't have to pay that 15% fee on every subscription. The customer isn't better off in that scenario. Spotify isn't better off. Only Apple is.
I think really the only issue with the app store is the amount they charge is unfair. It is just such a large cut of revenue. Especially for digital subscriptions like to Spotify or Netflix. I mean up unitl last year a customer could sign up for netflix through iTunes. And even if they never watched Netflix on an iOS device, I believe Apple would still collect 15% after the first year. 30% before that.
Now granted smart customers can get the iTunes gift cards for 20% off during a sale and get the price down. But that doesn't benefit Netflix or a Spotify.
Also MS had to ~unbundle IE from Windows ~20 years ago because it was an unfair advantage over Netscape.
Also note the house brands of Walmart compete by giving the customer a lower price. Apple Music doesn't do this. It charges what Spotify charges and then makes it difficult for Spotify to compete because Apple Music doesn't have to pay that 15% fee on every subscription. The customer isn't better off in that scenario. Spotify isn't better off. Only Apple is.
I think really the only issue with the app store is the amount they charge is unfair. It is just such a large cut of revenue. Especially for digital subscriptions like to Spotify or Netflix. I mean up unitl last year a customer could sign up for netflix through iTunes. And even if they never watched Netflix on an iOS device, I believe Apple would still collect 15% after the first year. 30% before that.
Now granted smart customers can get the iTunes gift cards for 20% off during a sale and get the price down. But that doesn't benefit Netflix or a Spotify.
I think there are a few good parallels to the App Store even better than Android. The PlayStation Network, Xbox Live Store, and whatever Nitendo has. None of these have alternative paths to getting games on them except through their stores or buying game discs that have been approved. Apple has chosen this same path - and I love it. If you want your phone to be open to all sources Apples competitor allows that. Just change phones. Just like you can play video games on a PC if you hate the closed structure of a console.
As for the subscription services - if Apple made people sign up through their store it would be one thing. But they don’t. I have Netflix and never did anything but sign in on my iPad. These options are all still available.
As for the subscription services - if Apple made people sign up through their store it would be one thing. But they don’t. I have Netflix and never did anything but sign in on my iPad. These options are all still available.
Oh really? How do you know the post-Cook era won’t be the next John Sculley era?
Walmart is not the only grocery store and you are free to open your own grocery store. What does Walmart store mean? Someplace you buy Walmarts?
As others have observed. Apple itself is not a monopoly. But its App Store is.
Failed to innovate because of these points?
1. Create the most consistent, innovative and widely distributed technology ecosystem?
2. Develop the best wearable device and capture the largest biggest market share?
3. Develop the best tablet that is beginning to cannibalize the idea of the traditional computer?
4. Continue to elevate the importance of design?
5. Create one of the best distribution networks along with a massive supply chain not seen by even Steve Jobs?
The right price for building the App Store, hosting all the servers, building the customer base, building the advertising is whatever Apple says it is. The App Store isn’t making apple rich. Some developers are just unhappy and want their cake and to eat it to. They just want a bigger piece of the pie so they run to the government to give them what they want. Their no right price for these services that Apple does. Apple said what the prices would be and it was ok but now develops and mostly Spotify and Netflix want the convenience and customer base Apple made without paying anything (again - which they can get by just having people sign up on their website).
Yeah, that’s why I think when it comes to natural essentials or essentials in general, governmental protections are a must. When it comes to consumer technology, it’s a little bit different as economies of scale by huge companies willing to bet the farm will bring the cost saving to the average consumer and unwillingly to the smaller competition as Apple and others have found out.
I can’t imagine all the technology that is present in even budget phones being available to the average consumer without an Apple or Samsung or Google paving the way.
I can’t imagine all the “free” technologies that must have cost Google a fortune to develop being possible if they didn’t have the scale from their indisputable dominance over the sector and a their vision of how they would recoup that fortune.
It’s a difficult matter. Technology is collaborative built on top of the shoulders others that continuously evolves. The “best” anything will likely be topped by someone else eventually, unlike oil, or water or electricity or other basic essential commodities.
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Industry expert netdoc66 has spoken! He is right! Let's ignore the sales numbers! Let's ignore the customer satisfaction surveys! Let's ignore the cold, hard facts because netdoc66 has spoken! Tim Cook is destroying Apple!
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