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So Cook said he is passing on the costs if Trump adds a tariff that affects iPhones. Interesting. I guess it is similar how iOS devs pass on the apple tax to their customers.
And I have never felt any iOS app which I have purchased (not that many) has been overpriced, so I guess the "tax" is reasonable. By the way, I have always found the term "apple tax" to be curious, as generally, isn't a tax something that you pay involuntarily?
 
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His argument is decent. But there is also cases going way back when railroads were sued for anti-competitive behavior because they bought up a steel company, for example, and then leveraged their ownership of the railroads to drive the other steel company out of business. That is sort of what you have with apple music vs spotify.

I just don't see the parallel, maybe you can clarify.

Also note the house brands of Walmart compete by giving the customer a lower price. Apple Music doesn't do this. It charges what Spotify charges and then makes it difficult for Spotify to compete because Apple Music doesn't have to pay that 15% fee on every subscription. The customer isn't better off in that scenario. Spotify isn't better off. Only Apple is.

But the customer isn't worse off. I have subscribed to Spotify off and on. I have always subscribed via their site, and then simply entered the password when opening the iOS app, just to be fair to Spotify. If I am not mistaken, Apple then does not get a cut. Now, I am likely not going to subscribe to Spotify again, due to them underpaying artists.

I think really the only issue with the app store is the amount they charge is unfair. It is just such a large cut of revenue. Especially for digital subscriptions like to Spotify or Netflix. I mean up unitl last year a customer could sign up for netflix through iTunes. And even if they never watched Netflix on an iOS device, I believe Apple would still collect 15% after the first year. 30% before that.

Any app developer knows up front what Apple's cut will be. They don't have to sell their app in the app store if they don't want to.
 
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And apple has 100% of the current iOS app stores market. No other company runs an iOS app store.
No other company runs a Playstation Store, Xbox Store, Nintendo Switch store, etc and before you mention buying the digital assets at Amazon for Xbox that is the same as buying any iTunes card at Amazon. The Apple iOS eco-system was solely built by Apple so it can dictate what happens in it's eco system. It's not like they have locked out any other smartphone from existing.
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Saying Walmart shouldn't sell goods is just avoiding the question.

There is nothing stopping people from shopping at Target or any other store. Walmart doesn't take a 30% cut either.

You know there is a problem when Walmart treats their suppliers better than you.
You're right Walmart takes more than 30% on PC software. In fact you had to pay to get your title up on the shelf, on top of Walmart getting a major percent of the sale.
 
No other company runs a Playstation Store, Xbox Store, Nintendo Switch store, etc and before you mention buying the digital assets at Amazon for Xbox that is the same as buying any iTunes card at Amazon. The Apple iOS eco-system was solely built by Apple so it can dictate what happens in it's eco system. It's not like they have locked out any other smartphone from existing.

I can walk into best buy and buy physical ps4 games. Doesn't matter that it is physical.
 
"What we do with Apple News product is we pick top stories, we have people doing it. And so I do worry about people thinking like machines. Not machines thinking like people."

And this is one reason I will never use/watch/consume anything from Apple News. Apple's political leanings aside, I prefer to pick my top news and not have some other entity do it for me.

Where/how can you do that??

If there was an ample amount of places on the web you could read non-biased news, there would be no Apple News.
 
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Calling Apple a monopoly is ridiculous. The only way one can do that is to narrow the market to such an extent anything would qualify.
 
Asked whether he thought Facebook is an amplifier for fake news, Cook said that he worried about any platform that delivered news in a feed and relied on algorithms to differentiate genuine journalism from fake news.

When you you curate news, isn't that algorithm?
 
Walmart is not the only grocery store and you are free to open your own grocery store. What does Walmart store mean? Someplace you buy Walmarts?
And Apple is not the only company that sells mobile devices. You’re certainly free to create your own smartphone hardware and software. No one is stopping you.
 
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Saying Walmart shouldn't sell goods is just avoiding the question.

There is nothing stopping people from shopping at Target or any other store. Walmart doesn't take a 30% cut either.

You know there is a problem when Walmart treats their suppliers better than you.

Not really the same analogy. He was talking about competition with apple software and alternatives in the same app store. This would be like walmart branded goods sold in their stores alongside alternatives.

Walmart may not take a 30% cut but they are also far more selective in letting products be sold in their stores than apple is in its app store.

While you say that people can shop at Target, so too can people get an android or other smart phone. Not only does android dominate market share they also have multiple stores to choose from.
 
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So Cook said he is passing on the costs if Trump adds a tariff that affects iPhones. Interesting. I guess it is similar how iOS devs pass on the apple tax to their customers.

That makes no sense at all and is hardly "similar."
 
His argument is decent. But there is also cases going way back when railroads were sued for anti-competitive behavior because they bought up a steel company, for example, and then leveraged their ownership of the railroads to drive the other steel company out of business. That is sort of what you have with apple music vs spotify.

Also MS had to ~unbundle IE from Windows ~20 years ago because it was an unfair advantage over Netscape.

Also note the house brands of Walmart compete by giving the customer a lower price. Apple Music doesn't do this. It charges what Spotify charges and then makes it difficult for Spotify to compete because Apple Music doesn't have to pay that 15% fee on every subscription. The customer isn't better off in that scenario. Spotify isn't better off. Only Apple is.

I think really the only issue with the app store is the amount they charge is unfair. It is just such a large cut of revenue. Especially for digital subscriptions like to Spotify or Netflix. I mean up unitl last year a customer could sign up for netflix through iTunes. And even if they never watched Netflix on an iOS device, I believe Apple would still collect 15% after the first year. 30% before that.

Now granted smart customers can get the iTunes gift cards for 20% off during a sale and get the price down. But that doesn't benefit Netflix or a Spotify.

If Apple purchased Qualcomm and then refused to sell chips to others THEN it would be a monopoly. Anyone can create a smartphone yet everyone wants to be in the iOS world. That world was created by Apple and it has the same right as Sony, MS, Steam and even Walmart to charge vendors (developers) to get the products on the shelf. Spotify should create their own player.

Note Steam takes a similar cut for sales as Apple. Walmart and Target also took a similar cut (30 to 40%) as well as charging for shelf space. Apple Retail Stores do this as well, early on Panasonic was a big purchaser of shelf space. In fact every major store picks which products can come in and they use to charge for shelf space and position. I haven't been in retail for 10 years but I am sure some are still doing it. Almost forgot Supermarkets don't charge for the stuff at the end of the line but they force a huge discount that is eaten by the manufacturer.
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As others have observed. Apple itself is not a monopoly. But its App Store is.
Please list some points on why it is a monopoly.
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I can walk into best buy and buy physical ps4 games. Doesn't matter that it is physical.
Yes but you can only sell a PS4 title after you have paid Sony for a Dev kit ($10k), gotten your title approved by Sony for their device, paid an approved PS4 Disc manufacturer to make the disc and boxes (Sony gets a kickback) and finally pay Sony for each unit sold ($15 per game). Now once you have subtracted all of that cost from the title get prepared to pay to get on the (Best Buy, Fry's etc) shelves. God help you if you need to release a patch. Sony is gonna need some more money. Note: You can replace Sony with MS and/or Nintendo.

Let me add that to release a title on iOS you need a Mac ($2500), $99 yearly subscription, iOS Approval process. DONE. Not paying for hosting, credit card transaction fees, maintaining a support infrastructure, etc...
 
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That's fine and all but what about these really expensive products?

I hope Apple can make products and lower price points for regular consumers.

Like a display that doesn't cost $6,000

A display that is 27" for $1,299 retina quality would be great.
That new display goes toe-to-toe with $10k reference monitors and $4k LCD TVs. The $1,000 stand is a cash grab though.
 
Where/how can you do that??

If there was an ample amount of places on the web you could read non-biased news, there would be no Apple News.

Use Feedly and handpick yourself the sources that you value. If there is an RSS feed, then you can add it to your feed.

The people that justify that Apple has non-biased news are the epitome of ignorance.
 
Apple is no more of a monopoly in the smartphone world than Ford (or any other car manufacturer) is a monopoly in the automotive world.

It is not the best analogy, as there are only two main players in the current mobile OS space: Apple & Google. In your car example, it would be that there were just two car manufacturers on the planet - Ford and, say, Mercedes - which, thankfully for all of us, is not the case.
 
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Calling Apple a monopoly is ridiculous. The only way one can do that is to narrow the market to such an extent anything would qualify.

It's probably as ridiculous as the fact the courts are investigating if it's a monopoly. Let the results of the court dictate if it's ridiculous.
 
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Given your focus on the percentage, it doesn’t sound like you really read much of that.
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Home Depot has 100% of the lumber market in their lumber aisle. No other company can sell lumber in that aisle.

Not even close to the same thing and arguing as much is disingenuous. It would seem like it's you who didn't really read much of the linked article. This bit in particular:

"Finally, the monopolist may have a legitimate business justification for behaving in a way that prevents other firms from succeeding in the marketplace. For instance, the monopolist may be competing on the merits in a way that benefits consumers through greater efficiency or a unique set of products or services. In the end, courts will decide whether the monopolist's success is due to "the willful acquisition or maintenance of that power as distinguished from growth or development as a consequence of a superior product, business acumen, or historic accident."

I would argue that the App Store's focus on keeping the whole system secure and free from bad actors (which still occasionally manage to slip through even with these protections in place) is a benefit to users and thus Apple has a very strong leg to stand on according to the quoted text.
 
It is not the best analogy, as there are only two main players in the current mobile OS space: Apple & Google. In your car example, it would be that there were just two car manufacturers on the planet - Ford and, say, Mercedes - which, thankfully for all of us, is not the case.

There is Aptoid, Amazon Appstore, F-Droid, Opera Mobile Store, Samsung App Store, etc...
 
As others have observed. Apple itself is not a monopoly. But its App Store is.

The AppStore is a curated environment designed to protect the system integrity. If anyone could upload imagine the junk and security risks. It’s proven difficult at times when app devs put in workarounds.

If I didn’t like the security model I’m not locked. If an app doesn’t get written for Apple devices I can buy other hardware. AppStore will survive on merit while users find value.
 
When you you curate news, isn't that algorithm?

Checking facts isn’t an algorithm. That’s content curation.

Putting articles showing alternate views is balance. Not an algorithm.

Yes you can curate with direction and bias. Most media have done that for years.
 
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And apple has 100% of the current iOS app stores market. No other company runs an iOS app store.

Except iOS has a rich and criminally underused set of APIs for running web apps. In fact, most people don't realize that you can save any URL to a web app to your home screen as if it were an app, and launching it from that icon runs it in its own discrete memory space just like a real app. If developers don't want anything to do with the App Store, they have the option to create their apps that way. There are many out there. One of my favorite weather apps is a web app. The App Store is not the only path to publishing software on iOS, therefore it is not a monopoly.

But for the sake of argument, let's say the App Store is a monopoly, even though it doesn't actually meet the definition. The problem after that is that it's not actually illegal to be a monopoly. What's illegal is being a monopoly and exercising your power in that regard to unfairly crush competitors. Beyond making the case that the App Store is a monopoly, you will have to show how Apple is abusing that.
 
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