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Being evasive about the specific sales numbers just continues to make Cook look weak and untrustworthy. Since he took office it's always been "we have great things we can't tell you about". He's yet to deliver a single positive surprise with the product line and increasingly it looks like pursuit of profit is at the expense of Apple reputation and future prosperity.
I'm torn about that.

On one hand I also feel that he yet has to demonstrate the WOW'ing skills with surprising and really good products and that innovation and quality seem to increasingly lack in the recent years.

On the other hand Apple is more scrutinized than ever since they'd become the most valuable company (measured in stocks). A completely new product like the AW needs some time to grow and develop. Noone would expect a toddler to compete with Usain Bolt over 100m or cook a perfect meal already.

The first iPhone also was a bit meh in sales numbers. Only back then, expectations were a lot lower than they are today.

If nowadays Cook would reveal the numbers for the AW and they'd be lower than expected (which they would be for sure, because expectations are completely unrealistic), stock prices might fall and eventually someone might even think of sueing the company for causing falling stock prices.

Even if the revealed numbers would be pretty solid and expectable for such a new product - for any "normal" company, that is.
 
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The only Apple product that actually does need to be thinner.

Apple is really doomed.

If it makes the product thinner and keeps the same battery life (or lowers it), critics fly in to criticize Apple.

If it makes the product a hair larger, doubles or triples battery life, it also gets criticized.

C'mon guys !!!
 
"looks to be one of the most popular holiday gifts this year."

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I can guarantee the list will be topped by the likes of pajamas, socks & jumpers.
 
I've seen two in the wild (since release). Both owners are very happy with them, but that's not a good showing for a high-tech circle of hundreds/thousands of potential users (many of whom are Apple customers)... Nobody here is showing them off, and nobody is discussing them over coffee/lunch (in comparison, the first iPad we had drew a crowd, and phone releases up to the 6 also attracted attention [as did some of the Samsung releases]). I think they're selling mainly to non-techies, and only in moderate numbers.

My new Hive heating system does seem to get quite a few "oohs" and the Echo also seems to attract attention...

In the wild I have seen Fitbit everywhere (especially the Blaze). Apple watch, I saw one at Sherwood Forest.

Fitbit I have 30 friends with Fitbit. Apple Watch I have 2 friends with an Apple Watch.
 
I just purchased my AW series 2. It's been out of stock for quite some time with most places only have discounted series 0 and series 1. So I can see contradicting reports depending on the timeframe one looked at.

Selling millions of an iPhone specific accessories that cost almost as expensive as the iPhone itself IMO is not an easy feat. Time will tell if Apple's bet on wearables is the right move or not.
 
Yeah sure...
Whatever Tim

Although this comment could be brushed off as flippant, it's actually indicative of where we are with Apple today, and it's comments like this that Apple should be paying the most attention to.

Loyal Apple customers, fans, pros, whatever, would hang off every word of their campaign, trusting the gospel in the marketing because the products eventually delivered lived up to the hype, were perhaps exciting, and proved to be truly innovative. Really.

By now that trust has all but evaporated, and as Apple's top brass work hard to polish up all the bad news it's easy to realise that they're missing one simple trick: honesty without spin. It seems the scales are tipping and more of what used to be their most loyal fan base are disgruntled and out of patience. Apple is such a behemoth that the cycle of product, marketing, sales figures spin, and let down, and profit looks more and more like politics than it ever did.

Of course, it must, for when a company is this big, there is too much at stake. Shares, profits, and shareholders can't take a hit. failure is not an option. An apology is failure.

Thing is - consumers are smart. They're done with being told that their complaints are irrelevant, or that they "just don't know what they want yet". They're done with Aperture, FCP, iWork, iCloud, Thinner, Emojis, Dongles, Headphone jacks, iCloud (again, really), iTunes, Nickel & Dime, Watch Bands, Magical, "Our Best Ever", Neutered Pro Specced, Spinning hard drive, SD Card slot, Price rising Reality distorting Apple Tax computing.

Consumers could do with Apple knocking down the arrogance a little. "We made a mistake - we don't always make the right decisions" - Who does? "The Apple watch is great, but it's not what people want". "We misjudged the MBP market - We're Sorry about that".

That would be refreshing.

Instead: "We don't think you know what you're talking about. Everything we're doing is fantastic, and to show you how confident we are about that we're going to put the prices up. A lot. Nothing to see here. Move along"

Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
 
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In the wild I have seen Fitbit everywhere (especially the Blaze). Apple watch, I saw one at Sherwood Forest.

Fitbit I have 30 friends with Fitbit. Apple Watch I have 2 friends with an Apple Watch.
My observations: Mi band > Apple Watch > other fitbits etc > android wear.
 
"Sales are off the charts"

I have reliable insider information that their new charts' vertical axis only goes up to 200,000.
 
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That's why apple does not quote the AW figures , they are off the charts....wow!! At least Tim had time away from his political and social issues to mention an Apple product....
Well then I guess Surface must be a failure too because Microsoft had never released sales figures for any Surface product. And if not releasing sales figures is indicative of a product still there and Amazon has to be a top the list as they've never released sales figures for any of their products.
 
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Only fools and analysts with an agenda can't see what's happening.

The Apple Watch wiped away the competition, basically in one fell swoop, including the whole Android Wear platform.

Of course numbers set new records: this is the new iPod, with similar rates of growth, and similar rates of domination. I see Watches popping up on the wrists of the least likely people, normal folks and a lot of girls. more and more, and after Christmas the installed base will start to reach critical mass, just like the iPod did, and sales will accelerate further with the next generations.
 
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Cook can say whatever the hell he wants to but until he releases ACTUAL HARD NUMBERS and not the "take our word for it" spin he's been doing ever since the Watch was released his words are empty and meaningless.
So I guess Microsoft and Amazon's words are meaningless because they don't release hardware sales figures either? When's the last time Samsung told us how many Galaxy phones they've sold? Has Google given us any sales data for the Pixel or any of the Nexus phones? Are their words empty and meaningless too?
 
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Tell that to Android manufacturers.

Why don't they release their numbers? Specially Samsung.

(Because they are all fake in favor of them)

But Apple actually released the revenue numbers:

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Btw, Windows Phone did surpass iOS back in 2015.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/2...-phone-to-top-iphone-in-market-share-by-2015/
What's more telling is that Apple chose to show a slide where they're number 2. They could have said "We're number 1 for smartwatch revenue" but they're not aiming that low.
 
What's more telling is that Apple chose to show a slide where they're number 2. They could have said "We're number 1 for smartwatch revenue" but they're not aiming that low.

What makes you think they are #1 on that chart.
 
Tell that to Android manufacturers.

Why don't they release their numbers? Specially Samsung.

(Because they are all fake in favor of them)

But Apple actually released the revenue numbers:

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Btw, Windows Phone did surpass iOS back in 2015.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/2...-phone-to-top-iphone-in-market-share-by-2015/

Pretty damn funny actually (and scary at the same time, that companies like IDC really keeps selling their crappy analysis work)...

And must be honest - pretty impressive they made such a good 2015 with just a couple of models and not even a full year.
 
Being evasive about the specific sales numbers just continues to make Cook look weak and untrustworthy. Since he took office it's always been "we have great things we can't tell you about". He's yet to deliver a single positive surprise with the product line.

TouchID. Also Apple Pay on the Apple Watch. Both great user experiences whilst improving security over the old way.

It's amazing you bash the man but can even remember a few years back and all the great things that have come out recently.

I've no idea if you were an Apple user 10-15 years ago... things were way worse for us and new things came out slower. Prices were higher too.
 
Well then I guess Surface must be a failure too because Microsoft had never released sales figures for any Surface product. And if not releasing sales figures is indicative of a product still there and Amazon has to be a top the list as they've never released sales figures for any of their products.
Can I ask, do you feel better about a product that has poor figures cause other companies dont release figures? I don't, I find it irrelevant and just a deflection.

Its simple, if apple did not release any sales figures for their products, this would be a non issue, it does, for the products that do really well. So its not difficult to conclude the ones that do poorly are not released.

Does Microsoft release sales figures for their other hardware products? could be a clue here. An not the xbox......
 
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Corrected this for you. I like masculine looking watches like G-Shocks and not thinner watches. I fully respect of course that fashion is a way to express different views.

Well don't. That's one of the most annoying things people do "correct" someone's post.
 
First, record sales of the laptops, and now the Watch. Not fair! Yet another record for Apple is just making us trolls look sillier than ever. Not fair!
Is that the record for pre-orders? Where it was the first laptop to receive pre-orders..... yeah Smashed the previous record :p
 
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