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Legacy developers from the desktop typically treat iOS as a supplement to their legacy desktop apps. Non-legacy developers are more likely to have more full-featured iOS apps, but since it's not legacy it takes time to develop and add features etc. That's the difference. Plus, the Pro line for iPad has really only been available for about a year now. I think you're going to start seeing more robust offerings with the A9X being the baseline for performance and the A10X coming up. The A9X is a really powerful SoC.

I can get through a day without my Haswell breaking a sweat - it's not so much about the SoC power anymore. The iPad and iPhone have more powerful CPUs that most people need already, it's about the computing paradigm itself. The iPad can't compete with a real workstation, if it could we would see the real high-end software products on the platform, but it's way too limited still.
 
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Sounds like you're more focused on tallying Cook quotes than you are the actual product. Which tells me you're the type of person who will find something wrong he says no matter what. What about focusing on the positive aspects of the actual product, not hanging on every word Cook says.

Oh lighten up. It's not that serious.
 
Yeah, and when they need a bigger screen they usually want a laptop to do stuff, not an enlarged phone that's already done what they could have on the phone. A tablet isn't accomplishing ANYTHING more than what a phone already is.

Tablets are USELESS... thus the declining sales.

The PC market in general is also declining. So according to your logic, they're useless too. Also, stop ignoring that a larger screen has an effect on you being able to do a job.
 
The PC market in general is also declining. So according to your logic, they're useless too. Also, stop ignoring that a larger screen has an effect on you being able to do a job.
Anyone who engages in hyperbole like "iPads are useless" isn't interested in understanding the appeal or how they can be used productively.
 
As others posted the larger phones easily take over for an iPad.
never understood this--want to read a book or the search the web on a phone...not really

Until they make iPads with a real OS X, detachable keyboard with haptic feel (not typing on glass) and a full OS X experience these will keep going down in sales.

As for exciting and pipeline. It has been a long time to see anything good.
I thought the pencil was pretty awesome, obviously the keyboard sucked. If they make it into an all ios Surface with mouse support, finder support, mouse/trackpad support and usb c connection, alot of people will still complain but that would be and great device.
 
Adobe apps on a 9.7. Thats scary and here i am using a 22 inch monitor and wanting to upgrade to something larger
this begs a question, is the mobil productivity thing a fad? I work much more effectively with a full screen, mouse ect. Maybe working at starbucks isn't that efficient either?
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I use my iPad pro solely as a tool to write hand-written notes via onenote... Ah, + as a secondary screen to my notebook. Otherwise, the thing is pretty useless to me.
I would have killed for that functionality 5 years ago: people are so jaded
 
I just want to buy a new Mac Pro with the latest specs. How many YEARS is it now?

Tired of the hype and now anytime I hear anything from Tim my mind automatically goes to, "this is BS".
 
why ipad 2 and not the original ipad?

(I know you asked someone else)

The iPad 2 was smaller enough than the original, and more convenient with the Magic Cover (wasn't that what it was called?), and I was able to convince my new wife that it was worth the upgrade. ;-)

If it sucked, I wouldn't still own it.

It's not on an iPhone-like upgrade cycle for me. Not at all.

But it still is very good in its role. I will always have an iPad of some kind in my stash.
 
Just look at at how exciting the Mac is, fully committed! He should be careful how he uses his words and avoid Trumpisms
 
I can't even imagine not using an iPad anymore, so they better carry on making the darn things.
To be honest, as a hardware device there isn't much else you can do with it other than make it faster and with greater capacity.
The real improvements will come from the software side.
 
iPads can replace laptops over time, but fundamentally several things need to added: Full versions of desktop apps, more RAM, trackpad or mouse compatibility, and a traditional file system that allows for organizing files & folders on the local device.

The lack of trackpad compatibility is particularly frustrating for me, because it prevents using the device like a real laptop even for a day or two when I'm traveling. I don't really care about a file system upgrade right now because of course, like most people, I still own a laptop/desktop.

Sounds like what you want is a laptop. If you need a laptop, have that laptop. The iPad is good at lot of things, but being a laptop isn't one of them, and it isn't going to change to fit your workflow. The inverse may happen one day, but it sounds like for you that day is not today.
 
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Interesting! I updated my little-used iPad 3 with an 9" iPad Pro and Pencil, and it was honestly the best computer purchase I ever made. For work, fun, hobbies. Dunno how it can be improved but there you go!
 
Sounds like what you want is a laptop. If you need a laptop, have that laptop. The iPad is good at lot of things, but being a laptop isn't one of them, and it isn't going to change to fit your workflow. The inverse may happen one day, but it sounds like for you that day is not today.

I would argue that the iPad either has to "change to fit my workflow" (your words) or else the iPad will continue to lose share to Windows based products that offer some of the advancements I listed above.
 
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A few thoughts. First they need to drop the price. Second, lighter is actually something people want in a tablet as opposed to desktops and laptops. The iPad Pro added weight to the device. I get why but I want a tablet that's either on par with or lighter than the iPad Air line.

Tablets were always destined to have a lifecycle that's is closer to a PC or laptop than a smartphone. Consumers have been conditioned to be on a 2-3 year smartphone upgrade cycle largely due to carrier's subsidizing new phones for so long and that continues in the unsubsidized era with the 0% interest carrier and Apple financing options along with the early upgrade programs. Those programs go hand in hand with the features arms race by smartphone makers.

I can point to a lot of major differences that matter to me between the iPhone 6S I have now and the iPhone 5S I used to have. There simply aren't as many major differences that matter to me between my iPad Air and the latest iPad Pro with the same screen size therefore I'm not going to upgrade until I have to. Touch ID is the only major difference I'm sold on but that alone isn't enough for me to spend the money. I can see where side by side multitasking would be nice but I'm so used to single tasking on the iPhone while I'm out and about that the desire to multitask doesn't occur to me when I'm home using my iPad.

For Apple to get someone like me who has an iPad but doesn't use it as my primary computing device to feel compelled to upgrade to an iPad Pro they would need to drop the price by $100 - $200 or bundle the Apple Pencil, make the device a little lighter and add some more compelling features. A 0% financing option like they offer with the iPhone might be enough to get me to pull the trigger in light of what I've outlined above. There is something about a monthly payment spread out over time versus paying the full price up front that makes the cost easier to swallow.
 
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The reason is financial. What financial incentive does Adobe have currently for releasing a full-featured version of Photoshop for iOS? Probably not a very big one, due to the fact that Photoshop is a legacy desktop app and that iOS has a reputation for bargain basement software prices. Conversely, you do see non-legacy companies showing more interest in full featured iOS applications these days. Affinity is going to release an exact iOS duplicate of their Mac based Affinity Photo, and that's a powerful program.

https://petapixel.com/2016/06/14/sneak-peek-affinity-photo-ipad/
Thanks for the link. Affinity Photo's iPad app looks fantastic. I do prefer Photoshop overall. It's an industry standard and I need to share my files with designers, clients, and other agencies. I don't think the bargain prices on iOS should have an effect, since Creative Cloud came out. You pay a flat rate for the license and can use Adobe's products on Mac, Windows, and iOS. Their iOS versions are just not very good (with few exceptions). If I wasn't such a mac fanboy and thought logically, I'd probably get a Microsoft Surface by now. I just can't do it.
 
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