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While it's obviously important to remember the influence of such an important person within the company, is the anniversary of his death the best one to pick? Why not instead of reflecting on the loss on his death, reflect on what he achieved on the anniversary of his birth, or the founding of the company or something?

It just seems to me there has to be a more positive way to look back at his contributions than to remind yourself that he isn't there anymore. It also kind of sends the wrong message, like Apple is still thinking backwards rather than forwards. The important thing should be to consider what he would have thought about Apple's current direction, and how his influence can live on into future decisions, while still letting Apple try all new things.
 
Looked it up...you are right....I stand corrected. So where are all the movies about the HP guys? Seems like they certainly deserve some love from the media....

The high point of HP was well before the tech industry was "cool" enough for the media to take an interest to.

Now it's a mostly sad story. At least, the real HP is still around as Agilent.
Good stuff; but most consumers won't care.
 
Ever heard of Robert Noyce? Somehow I think that the industry owes him more than it owes the fruit salesman.

There's plenty of people the industry owes. Noyce wouldn't have succeeded without William Shockley. etc.
While it's unfortunate that most people wouldn't know or appreciate the others, it's also the basis for why they appreciate Steve Jobs.

William Shockley invented one of the earliest, commercially useful transistors. Physicists and analog electrical engineers appreciate that.
Robert Noyce invented in microchip. Analog electrical engineers and logic designers appreciate that.
Ted Hoff invented the CPU. Logic designers and computer architects appreciate that.
... and so on.
The researchers at SRI and PARC invented the GUI. Other researchers appreciate that.
Steve Jobs invented computers-that-the-average-person-can-use. Most people appreciate that.

(Of course, in almost all these cases, these inventions did come to be because of other uncredited people's influences. But yeah, we typically credit the primary drivers. That's just the way it is.)
 
personally I know everyone has their own grieving timelines, etc.

But as a company I'd hope Apple starts looking forward. 1st anniversary of the death of Steve, sure, reflect. But I hope the 2nd is more muted... Love Steve and everything he brought, but Apple needs to focus on the future not the past.

<fanboy mode on>

What Steve Jobs did was REALLY incredible. He took a broken company and turned it into the biggest company in the world. He significantly changed many lives.

<fanboy mode off>

I think it's appropriate for Tim to note the anniversary. But I get your point.
 
Oh god... This is gonna be another one of those 'Remembce day' isn't it

Good e-book.... I thing some of it was in that Netflix documentry.
 
After reading his biography, I was left with two impressions. One the genius that he was in terms of the asthetics and attention to detail that turned into the amazing products we have today. The second impression is that this obsession made him not a great man when it came to relationships, including his family and co-workers. Therefore I wonder about Tim's comment that he was a great friend. Obviously having never met the man I cannot really comment, but anyone reading his bio would surely at least raise an eyebrow at the "great friend comment."

I agree fully - the guy wasnt quite the second coming of St. Francis of Asisi when it came to relationships and all that. Difficult to deal with.

But, whenever someone famous dies, we tend to cling only to the good memoris and this is no different.

As someone else pointed out here, Apple needs to move on and go forward. Steve's gone and thats that.
 
No. Jony is not a visionary; he's just a designer. Jobs and Jony used to keep each other in check. Steve knew that pro users wanted expansion over thinness, which is why he made the unibody 2008 MacBook Pros more upgradeable than the previous generation, and also why he didn't let the Mac Pro rot. Now with nobody left at Apple to reign in Jony, he's going on a design rampage, sacrificing function to let form preside.

He has nothing to do with function. He is Senior VP of DESIGN. No where in that job title does it talk about function.
 
Looked it up...you are right....I stand corrected. So where are all the movies about the HP guys? Seems like they certainly deserve some love from the media....

Love for Steve isn't grounded in how he started. It's grounded in what he ended up doing. Nobody loves HP enough to care this much about their story.
 
Love for Steve isn't grounded in how he started. It's grounded in what he ended up doing. Nobody loves HP enough to care this much about their story.

Why would anybody love a CEO?
Especially one who treated most people like serfs.

Btw, Steve cared about HP's story.
Apple started in a similar fashion to HP.

:rolleyes:
 
He has nothing to do with function. He is Senior VP of DESIGN. No where in that job title does it talk about function.

Design has nothing to do with function? Since when?

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No. Jony is not a visionary; he's just a designer. Jobs and Jony used to keep each other in check. Steve knew that pro users wanted expansion over thinness, which is why he made the unibody 2008 MacBook Pros more upgradeable than the previous generation, and also why he didn't let the Mac Pro rot. Now with nobody left at Apple to reign in Jony, he's going on a design rampage, sacrificing function to let form preside.

Talk about a reality distortion field. :eek: Sad thing is I'm sure you really believe everything you said. :eek:
 
Design is the composition and intersection of form and function.

You say that....but there have been many ugly things created that have functioned wonderfully.

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Design has nothing to do with function? Since when?

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Think about it, something can be very ugly, and yet work like a charm. And something can be very beautiful yet work like complete trash. I cannot see any reason why Jony Ive would ruin any products, which was my original argument.
 
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