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its prob just assembled in america, and parts madein china and shipped over.

my chest freezzer i jsut bought says made in usa, but the compressor in it is made in china lolz
 
'Made in the USA' makes me panic. Low quality, high price, labor and production delays, and lengthy production switchover & setup. All the things that have been driving production to move overseas for decades.
 
This is probably the worst post I've ever read on Mac Rumors, and thats really saying something - all your major corporations in the USA avoid any form of tax like the plague - Apple is no exception - given most of the IT technology utilised in computing was actually discovered/invented by US institutions funded by the U.S. Government and U.S. educated engineers, perhaps you could explain how the Apple way, this being 'criminality' at best, is superior.

Lets be blunt, Apple has never invented anything, they Patent a great deal, but heck, I'd not realised they had invented LCD's. LED's, Transistors, the mouse or actually a GUI - bloody Job's copied it - they assemble and design existing technologies - or is it your contention they also developed the LCD display on their laptops and iToy's, or actually invented the HDD or SSD.

They are a software company who happen to manufacture hardware.

Yes, let's be blunt.

Yours is probably the worst post I've ever read on Mac Rumors.

You don't seem to understand much about product development , creativity and how advances in technology (or for that matter in any field) happen.

Please post what you created.
 
Tim Said it was an existing Mac product line. He emphasised the word 'existing'. Which would not point to a new Mac Pro. Or If you're in Europe (as I am), any kind of Mac Pro (they haven't existed here for a couple of months now).

A new Mac Pro revision is still in the Mac Pro product line.
 
I would certainly consider

this U.S.A. Mac model. Had much better luck with those for 10 years before I bought my foreign made 2010 iMac. I understand it's a crap shoot no matter where the machine is made, but Apple's QC has fallen quite a bit in the last few years so...

Let's see what it is and what the price will be...glad to hear this.
 
It is nice that Mac is employing more Americans than before but America needs more than Apple to solve its unemployment issues, lol, seriously, people.

It isn't just about unemployment. if 40-55% of the Mac Pros are being bought in in North and South America and 50-70% if throw in Europe, why not produce them in the USA. It is closer. There is little good reason to produce stuff on the other side of the planet on purpose. Every single major means of shipping them around the planet burns up fossil fuel which increase over time.


In many Chinese companies, a college graduate gets $18,00 a year. A year! How much is an entry level graduate in US is getting? $35,000-$40,000. Margin people, margin.

[probably $18,000 :) ]

People aren't margin. The number of people impact margin. An easy access box with straightforward construction box could be largely assembled by robots. Robots make $0.0 /yr in salary. Top that with Chinese worker (you can't. ).

The same clean wiring , easily accessible with hands/fingers that a Mac Pro has helps increase the ease of assembly too.

There is no way you can do "throw cheap transient rural workers at the problem" manufacturing in the USA and compete with China. But that actually isn't the issue. There is no requirement that the maximum number of human workers be utilized to make a Mac.

Sherman set the 'Way-Back' machine to 1990 ....

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/24/b...nt-lacks-is-orders.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

One of the primary problems with the NeXT factory was that it didn't have sustainable demand for product; not that the construction of the machines couldn't be automated. Technology has advanced over the last 23 years. The robots are better and the automation smarter.

Will the number of folks employed translate 1:1 to the USA. No. Frankly, the Chinese construction and manufacturing practices don't particularly try to be efficient in use of human "capital". Their unemployment problems are higher than the USA (after you dig though the hocus-pocus the Chinese government layers on that they don't have one).


Apple can afford to go local because of its ability to charge above standard pricing.

Or they could just be smarter about solving the manufacturing problem.
That actually seems to be a bigger hurdle to getting more manufacturing shifted back to the USA; the dilbertesque "Pointy head boss" middle management that myopically look at worker salary wage rates to move manufacturing around.





Walmart, HP, Dell, Nike cannot do that.

Cannot? LOL. HP and Dell do build some boxes in the USA. Nike cannot largely because they don't want to. Walmart does sell made in the USA products ( but yeah..... their preoccupation with squeezing margins without regard for worker's rights and environment leads them to places were workers and their environment get pissed on to make Walmart some extra money. )
 
Aside from internal changes and whatnot... I hope the new Mac Pro has a slate case... I would just love that.
 
This is probably the worst post I've ever read on Mac Rumors, and thats really saying something - all your major corporations in the USA avoid any form of tax like the plague - Apple is no exception - given most of the IT technology utilised in computing was actually discovered/invented by US institutions funded by the U.S. Government and U.S. educated engineers, perhaps you could explain how the Apple way, this being 'criminality' at best, is superior.

Lets be blunt, Apple has never invented anything, they Patent a great deal, but heck, I'd not realised they had invented LCD's. LED's, Transistors, the mouse or actually a GUI - bloody Job's copied it - they assemble and design existing technologies - or is it your contention they also developed the LCD display on their laptops and iToy's, or actually invented the HDD or SSD.

They are a software company who happen to manufacture hardware.

You seem to have no clue as to how hardware is made and the effort needed to produce products like the iPhone, iPad, iMac or any of the Apple products.
 
I don't feel like this is good news. One of the most technologically advanced nations needs to bring back jobs from the last century instead of creating now ones like usually happened in history (let the less developed country take advantage of what we did and can afford now to outsource while we build the future).
 
"It's not about the price"

Ok, Tim, then bring ALL the Apple production back to the USA as it was during the first few years of the company!

Well, as has been stated time and again in these sorts of topics, it's *NOT* the price. It's the ease and speed of access to infrastructure and a properly trained skilled work force. The US has sent these jobs over seas for so long that most of the old infrastructure is either rusting away, or already destroyed.

It will take years of concerted effort by multiple industries to fix that, and sadly we don't have multiple industries even *interested* in making that concerted effort because shipping the jobs overseas has saved them a few bucks on assembly costs, and most companies can't see past their immediate bottom line.
 
I think all these guesses of the Mac Pro may be off. Kentucky stood out to me, as that is where Corning (i.e. Gorilla Glass) is located. That says to me that something with a glass screen is coming from the US, which obviously doesn't match up with a Mac Pro.

Interestingly, Corning also has a plant in Arizona as well, so Gorilla Glass could account for Arizona and Kentucky.

http://www.corning.com/about_us/locations.aspx
 
I know a computer is just a computer, but I may cough up the extra $1000 to go over-budget and buy a Mac Pro if it means a large chunk [if not all] of my money goes into the U.S. economy.

If it's like any of the other jobs in this 'recovery' it'll go to less than 100 screwdriver jockeys who make $9/hr with no unionization option.

I'm all for domestic production but workers need to be able to benefit from it as well.
 
Oh, I only thought they had fabs in New York state, because that's all I ever read about.

Intel does not have any fabs in New York; the only one they have out east is near Boston, running on an old technology node. Their newest fabs are being built in Oregon and Arizona.

They are in the business of selling glorified sand, they'd like to be out in the desert :)

List of Intel manufacturing sites
 
re: 95% won't do this?

First of all, I don't think you'd be looking at a situation where you'd have to go $1000 over-budget to buy a "made in the USA" Mac Pro?

They've always been quite expensive machines, so the people budgeting for them are already prepared to pay good money for them.

If you're simply talking about home users who would theoretically spend $1,000 more than their budget to get a Mac Pro instead of an iMac, just because it was made in the U.S.? Well then, no .... few would do that. But so what?

The Mac Pro is a relatively "niche" product, in the sense that it's more computer than the majority of people need. It sits in that oddball class of machines referred to as "workstations" -- essentially a server type machine, except with upgraded video capabilities. Honestly, the only reason Apple sells as many of these as they do is their reluctance to sell anything else with powerful 3D video (and certainly not with standard, upgradable/swappable video cards inside).

I've owned Mac Pros at home since 2006 and will probably buy the new one if and when it's released. But I realize I'm also not typical of most computer buyers. I've worked in I.T. for something like 25 years now, and computers I initially bought for home use suddenly get used for business purposes if I start up a side business doing on-site service or computer consulting or what-have-you. I can do enough useful work with a Mac Pro over its lifespan that it easily pays for itself.

If it's built 100% in the USA this time around? Well, that's a nice bonus -- but it's a system I'd be equally interested in purchasing either way, really.


My bet is at least 95% of US consumers would not do this.
 
Intel does not have any fabs in New York; the only one they have out east is near Boston, running on an old technology node. Their newest fabs are being built in Oregon and Arizona.

They are in the business of selling glorified sand, they'd like to be out in the desert :)

List of Intel manufacturing sites

Seriously? Is it IBM then? I remember reading SOMEBODY had a fab in NY? Thanks for the clarification.
 
New Pro. Low enough volumes that are highly customized for a crowd not scared to drop the extra cash that having in made here will cost.

Shipping costs come into play too. Particularly if most of the Pros go to North America anyway.

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its prob just assembled in america, and parts madein china and shipped over.

my chest freezzer i jsut bought says made in usa, but the compressor in it is made in china lolz

Maybe reading the short article your commenting on would help...
 
Yes, and so we both agree that Apple (and other corporations) are at the mercy of a taxation-happy administration. And that will only change once a more "business-friendly" administration returns to the White House. Not sure when that will happen. But I will stop here until this gets uglier and becomes a heated US political discussion.
A more business friendly administration? Are you serious? Have you seen corporation profits lately? Higher than ever! And this isn't a business friendly administration? :rolleyes:

Laughable!

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True. The notion that it's not business friendly is willfully ignorant.
Indeed
 

Apple apparently only sees two segments for non-all-in-one computers. The Mac mini is at the low end of the segment, for the "I just want to plug it in" crowd. The Mac Pro covers the "I need to customize" crowd.

If you need to plug your system into a FDDI, a $2K computer is just an expectation, but there is this "gamer" segment that Apple just doesn't seem to care about. They figure if you want to tinker, you'll use Linux anyway. Still it seems like they could offer something in the Mac Pro chassis that costs $1500 or less. I guess they figure that would cannibalize the higher margin "real" Pro systems if they did that.
 
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