Tim Cook Shares Tribute to Steve Jobs on Sixth Anniversary of His Death

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  1. PinkyMacGodess macrumors 68040

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    He had a different way of looking at things. Not good, not bad, just different. He focused on some details that were genius. He came back to a nepotism thick Apple, and ruthlessly chopped the waste and crap. Rebooting Apple. For that, he deserves worship. Without that, and the cache of his return, Apple would be dead.

    We are also dealing with products that really have a limited future. How much more can the iPhone realistically do? How much more can a notebook computer do? The only thing they can, is what they already do, only better. So give Tim Cook a little slack. He did a masterstroke on the iPhone 8 series by cutting the many different versions based on memory. There should have only been two choices, big, and small, to begin with.

    I think people overplay the 'Tim isn't Steve' drama. There are other reasons to beat on Apple, but give this a break.

    Stay safe...
     
  2. Tozovac, Oct 6, 2017
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    Tozovac macrumors 6502

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    #177
    Agree with you 100% on the marginal improvements and refinements still available to overly-refined iOS & computer devices. However, Tim is IMHO allowing way too much to be removed in the name of trying to be "new and better and innovative" in those mature and nearly-perfected products. He's not recognizing to throttle Jony's over-insertion of his minimalist tendencies, especially into those things that used to make Apple magic & unique & "it just works," namely the software/UI that's stripped down and just less magic than it's ever been. Would Steve have allowed the removal of lickable buttons? :)
     
  3. artfossil macrumors 6502a

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    #178
    Actually, you agreed, with the statement, “So true.” To the characterization of Apple as going "From an insanely great company (1998-2012), to the greedy fashionable brand."

    Still sad, to me, that you would perceive Apple as just "a greedy fashionable brand" since 2012, dismissing all of the innovations in Apple products since then.

    But obviously our use cases are radically different. For me, I’m grateful—both for what I’ve accomplished the last five years and for the Apple tools that made these accomplishments possible.
     
  4. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    Correct. And he was never around when Antenna-Gate happened. In fact, it's the users fault for holding their iPhones wrong. Steve is infallible like the Pope and Jesus, so his perfectness should not be questioned! ;)
     
  5. oldwatery macrumors 6502a

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    Tim Cook has no right to eulogized when he has destroyed everything Steve Jobs created and stood for.
     
  6. citysnaps macrumors 68030

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    Not courageous at all. That's just Apple moving forward with technology. Just as Jobs did. Smart business...

    I and no doubt many others, enjoy having laptops that aren't 1+ inches thick, weighing 6 pounds, with I/O dating back to the 1990s.

    The good news, is, for those that require heavy and thick laptops, with 20 year old ports, there are plenty of choices out there. Just vote with your wallet. That would be a courageous move.
     
  7. Tozovac, Oct 6, 2017
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    Tozovac macrumors 6502

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    #182
    Too short-sighted a response/view on your part. Just to ask, do you consider the original MacBook air to be too thick? How thin is best (honest question). My point was more about: there's always going to be a point of diminishing returns and/or a point where some of the significant reductions Tim's overseen seem to be heading towards potentially benefitting too small a group while being a hindrance to a still-large group who prefer to remain in the Apple system than be forced out. Calling out 6 lb laptops is a red herring; apple laptops were pretty svelte & thin back in 2011, at least the Air, and the abundance of ports & modification-friendliness was a godsend to many users, me included. And the software was much more fun/interesting to look at and use back then; it looked to be designed by real artists/designers getting Apple paychecks and not by Fisher Price engineers whose only color palates appear to be grey, white and any translucent gradient between the two.

    Today's minimalist white-out translucent unintuitive UI would never have flown had Tim not have had the Jobs/Forestall UI/experience to leap from first. How often have you heard "it just works" in regards to Apple products in the last 5 years compared before then? I personally have had more "it's not working as easy as it did before" thoughts in the past 5 years than ever before. This came under Tim's watch. Well this thread is certainly deviating from the start which was a nice shoutout to Jobs. But my critiques and others are valid.
     
  8. mi7chy macrumors 68040

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    #183
    Have to agree with others. It's very obvious Tim Cook is dangling the Steve Jobs legacy carrot on a string to milk the cash cow that hasn't changed four years straight. It's distasteful and inappropriate when he does that right before announcing rehashed products.
     
  9. Solomani, Oct 6, 2017
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    Solomani macrumors 68030

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    Cook is just holding a tribute to SJ, which does not lead to any increased Apple sales. Please get a grip. People here clearly will refuse to buy the latest Apple products if they appear weak, un-inspired, overpriced, or flawed (e.g. initial AppleWatch cellular glitches). What Tim Cook says about SJ on a tribute stage will not lead to "milking" the cash cow any further. It won't suddenly make thousands of customers run and pre-order an iPhone X if they already made up their mind that they don't want one. So your milking the cash cow comment is irrelevant.

    "Milking the cash cow" is only true if Tim Cook told you that you need to pay Apple a $150 ticket seat to watch him doing the Steve Jobs Anniversary Tribute speech. Or if Tim Cook suddenly announced that customers can now buy official Apple-sanctioned Steve Jobs commemorative coffee mugs for $75 each, an exclusive at the Apple Store. Yes, that's certainly milking the Steve Jobs cash cow. But that is not what's happening.
     
  10. DeepIn2U macrumors 68040

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    #185
    We saw a LOT more humility in Apple and Jobs than we do today, at least until Apple iPhone 4 antennagate and the small press about it. That “you’re holding it wrong” did NOt fly with a lot of customers (consumer or early corporate adopters)! The issue didn’t seem to affect most of Canadian carriers at least from those I know personally as well as myself.

    D1-8 was great seeing jobs. He had personality that he wasn’t afraid to express. He would admit to being wrong, the need to fix things or for example with Analytics.. “maybe in the future we’ll sit down and talk with these developers ... but now is not the time”.

    Most of those derailing is not about Tim and his role at Apple per se or his accolades (I hope) just to be clear.

    Tim ... it seems quoting mantras is the answer to anything that’s apple may have chosen wrong or did wrong. “We’re working hard to deliver the best experience to our customers” seems to be the closest to apologizing ever done by anyone at Apple. Maybe this is rooted in staving off frivolous time consuming lawsuits that could occur in such failings.

    Trash can Mac Pro apology came from Schiller and Federighi (who didn’t have anything to do with the hardware or design, he’s Software SVP) and from a Mac friendly website if I recall. Who was VP in charge of hardware why wasn’t that person in that interview?!
     
  11. DeepIn2U macrumors 68040

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    #186
    He has a point. Anyone that has an impact on so many in our world it seems we celebrate their passing or mourn their passing more than celebrating their coming into this world. It’s always been odd to me personally.
     
  12. PinkyMacGodess macrumors 68040

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    Give it a break...

    Tim Cook isn't Steve Jobs. Their products have been well received. The problem with lightning, is that the patents ran out on it, and *everyone* could copy it. Apple had to come up with something.

    Oh, and the EU has required the same batteries and chargers across products, which makes so much sense.

    The 'Touch Bar' could have been a contender. The wife loves hers. It's a niche product, and it works. In many ways, it's like the 'ribbon bar' in Microsoft Office. People hated that feature. REALLY hated that feature. (More than Clippy, which is amazing)
     
  13. jm001 macrumors 6502a

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    Haters just can't leave a well intentioned memory of a mentor and a friend from a protege alone. Tim has helped Apple stay near the top and at times take the lead. Apple has always been one to wait till the latest tech becomes reliable enough for "prime time". Haters and others are fickle and impatient and will waste no time to bash companies like Apple for putting out products that actually do work properly. I still don't know what "design change" people are calling for. Look at desktops and laptops, people don't complain about a design that really hasn't changed at its core i.e. laptops = a screen attached to a CPU/keyboard with ports on the sides and back. Even if you counter argue with MS Surface books, yes they're tablets, but many buy them with a keyboard and keep them functioning like laptops. We just have a bunch of people who have focusing issues and like to complain.
     
  14. Baymowe335 macrumors 6502

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    I guess the haters of Cook aren’t investors. Cook may not have invented the iPhone, but he took it from shipping around 70M phones annually to shipping over 200M iPhones annually.

    Cook realized the larger screen was the ticket to expanding iPhone while Jobs was stubbornly stuck in the 4inch form factor.

    Cook has quietly created the #1 wearable in the world and grown services to the size of a Fortune 100 company.

    He led incredible growth in China and will do the same in India.

    He’s taken Apple Pay to the premium mobile pay service.

    The A series silicon is 2 years ahead of the competition and are the key driver of Apple’s legendary long term usability and smooth performance. These chips will drive the next innovation in AR and computational heavy tasks of the future.

    He’s taken AAPL to an $800b company and maintained iPhone as the top high end smartphone, while raking in 90% of all available smartphone profit in a viciously competitive environment.

    Samsung hasn’t innovated anything meaningful either. Phones have reached somewhat of a plateau but Apple can push the boundaries with their implementation of facial recognition and AR.

    Cook may may not be the innovative genius we remember in Jobs, but he is an operational genius, squeezing margin, securing suppliers, and running the company in a far more complex state of circumstances and more products than Jobs ever had been tasked with running.

    If you think Cook is a slouch, you aren’t paying attention.
     
  15. jlc1978, Oct 6, 2017
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    Apple has always been a fast follower. None of the products you mentioned were new ideas; Jobs' strength was the ability to see potential in other's ideas and turn them into great products. Even the graphical interface was't a new idea, rather a realization of its potential and executing it before other companies. Cook's strength is in operations, enabling Apple to produce products that others create. As long as Apple continues to have an innovative bench strength they will do fine. Their challenge is to keep innovating and pushing out products that are exciting without a single leader who can bend Apple to their will. I think Cook is smart enough to realize his strengths and weaknesses and continue to keep Apple successful. In some respects, not having a charismatic leader who can kill an idea will enable more ideas to percolate through the company and become reality.

    Cook's biggest PR problem is following a charismatic leader who was perfect in many people's eyes. If he made fish appear to feed the multitudes and then walked ashore from a boat, people would complain he can't fish or swim.

    In the end, Apple's challenge is to hire brilliant people and let them do their thing. We can argue whether or not they are continuing to do that but so far they have been successful post-Jobs.
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    Huh? The last truly upgradable product aside from some Macs with slots, was the Apple ][ series with real expansion slots. The first Macs weren't even easy to open. I doubt Steve ever felt upgradable was valuable, instead convinced whatever Apple made was all the user would need or want.
     
  16. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    Yes. This is what most of the Cook-haters forget. Jobs was stupid for being so stubborn at times, to the point that the competition (e.g. Samsung popularized larger phone sizes) was already making him look like a fool, and he had too much arrogance and pride to open his eyes and realize the competition was running circles around him.
     
  17. MacManiac1 macrumors member

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    How true! But there is only one Steve that was capable of creating a reality distortion field around the products.
     
  18. LordVic macrumors 601

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    heh, Many people around the world who worship Steve Job's like he was some jesus of technology really don't understand who he was.

    First, from all accounts, except for those closest to him. He was a raving *******.

    He also was not actually very technical.

    He also often refused to take responsibility himself for poor decisions, such as the iPhone 4's antenna issues, until he was essentially forced to. Heck, Did he ever accept that he had a daughter by the end?

    However, let none of that discount what he did do for Apple. He came in. Fixed a lot of crap, was a good manager, and was basically a "user" who could dictate to Apple what he needed to see in the products, because he had an eye for what would sell and what wouldn't. And he was able to keep this cabal of cronies in line to get work done.
     
  19. Tozovac macrumors 6502

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    #194
    While Steve was there: "It just works!"
    While Tim's there, letting Jony run too rampant: _____________

    Haven't heard "It just works" about Apple in years. More often I hear frustrations and confusions with an iOS/OS becoming ever so complex with features/functions yet more stripped-down and vague with UI.

    That's what Steve did and Tim can't.
     

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