Putting it in my purchased list is what I object to. So are you the guy who fills up his iTunes music with all the freebies and then boasts about 3,000 songs in his library?
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Tim Cook Speaks on Privacy in New Interview: 'We Try Not to Collect Data'
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Putting it in my purchased list is what I object to. So are you the guy who fills up his iTunes music with all the freebies and then boasts about 3,000 songs in his library?
When I hear stuff like this, I want to run screaming from Google. But yeah, I somehow can't believe that Apple is totally clean in this while everyone else is not. Still, I trust them farther than any others. Cook's got a point when he says to follow the money. As long as Apple is more interested in moving hardware then the collection of data is secondary at best. As long as the data they DO have in the system is well-protected, then I'd go with Apple.
I'd rather they come right out and say it. Google collects data and I'm really perfectly fine with it. I'm not fine with apple saying, "We try." That's like teenagers saying they are trying to not get pregnant. We know how that goes.
so apple makes no use of user data for the betterment of their own products?
personally im not much more comfortable receiving an email from apple about what accessories i can buy for my newly purchased ipad than seeing imdb display on the bottom a list of actors/movies i was googling
Thanks for pointing that out. When I checked, the table ended at "iCloud.com"--I'm guessing from the way I was holding my iPad that my thumb hit the 'stop' button before the page was done loading
So what is Apple supposed to say? "We don't collect data"? That would be a lie, because it's impossible for a company to function without ever collecting data. Or should they say "We collect data"? That's also wrong, because they would put themselves on one level with Google - a company which builds its whole business model on collecting data.
When Apple states that they try not to collect data, it implies that they collect only the data that is necessary for them to conduct their business. They have the addresses of users to ship stuff to them. They have their credit card information to charge them for products and services. They know which apps or music they own to give Genius recommendations. When a company tries not to collect data, it means that they consider carefully whether a certain piece of data is necessary for conducting business or not. And this "consideration" is the part described as "trying".
I'm actually amazed at how many people here try so very hard not to understand that. Start your own company, run your own website offering services, and then you'll be surprised how much data from customers and users you will actually end up with that you have to very carefully and selectively get rid of in order not to end up collecting it.
Google parses emails to better target ads towards you. This was the subject of Microsoft's ad campaign against google a while back. You can read about it in a lot of places:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/09...il-privacy-lawsuit-says-it-has-right-to-scan/
For google it makes sense because ads are their primary source of revenue.
And no one seems to understand that's why they sell Android phones for dirt cheap in most circumstances.
Can you point where in that link say that Google sell the data or where it is said that the product is the user?
Google uses data to place targeted ads. So they make money from the data.
Out of curiosity: What do you actually think is Google's product?
Making money from the data is not the same than selling the data
Like iAds or other ad systems? Ad space
I agree. People FIND things to complain about.
If Apple gives away free iPads for some promotion, I bet some people would complain - 'In 4 years, when I'm done with this device, Apple makes me pay a $5 recycling fee! Outrageous!'
Whilst I still try to be quite circumspect with my privacy, I do believe Apple are a lot less interested than others when it comes to collecting data, or in tracking people without their consent
and they are quite distinct in that compared with many of their competitors in the tech world.
It is good to read Cook reiterating Apple's attitude on such things, though they can still do better, and I hope they will do. For all my misgivings about things like Touch ID they do seem to have done that about as right as they could have so far, and from what we can see so far of Apple Pay, that too.
Not that it means any Apple user concerned about their privacy should not remain vigilant and think critically about this stuff.
But I think there are probably a lot of us who like that Apple aren't like Google or Facebook or others whose business is essentially to offer services to users in return for getting to data mine for advertisers.
It's also possibly why iAds hasn't been a roaring success for Apple. It always seemed, to me, contrary to the kind of ideas Cook is mentioning here, and fundamentally at odds with their corporate identity.
It is good to read Cook reiterating Apple's attitude on such things, though they can still do better, and I hope they will do. For all my misgivings about things like Touch ID they do seem to have done that about as right as they could have so far, and from what we can see so far of Apple Pay, that too.
Not that it means any Apple user concerned about their privacy should not remain vigilant and think critically about this stuff.
But I think there are probably a lot of us who like that Apple aren't like Google or Facebook or others whose business is essentially to offer services to users in return for getting to data mine for advertisers.
It's also possibly why iAds hasn't been a roaring success for Apple. It always seemed, to me, contrary to the kind of ideas Cook is mentioning here, and fundamentally at odds with their corporate identity.
Some people are dumb - they probably write exact accurate answers, which can be revealed by a bit of 'googling' or 'Facebook gleaning'... How do you think those nudes got leaked - dumb celebrities...
Just because Apple asked standard security questions, does't mean you write the most obvious answers... Best trick to fool the standard security questions is to make your answers as obscure as possible, even better would be to answer it wrong... But make sure to store these answers in '1password' or 'the vault' or some such place..
They may be "as bad" in a general sense; we all know making money is "bad" of course.... (sic) But, not on this "data collection" point... Why? Because they don't need too. That's not how they make money. They're not altruistic about not collecting data, it is just not part of their value proposition to their customers.
So, what is your point exactly?
I don't pretend to know how this works at base level, but I imagine that the difference is Apple will market to you based upon data collected within its own ecosystem (the fabled walled garden), whereas Google will sell you out for its own profit.
But I could be wrong.
Two basic repeating posts here.
1. Apple must be up to something (because I would be if I were in apple's position)
2. I believe apple is doing it's best to avoid accessing anything it doesn't really need for us to use its services.
It's like a psychological test.
1. Apple must be up to something (because I would be if I were in apple's position)
2. I believe apple is doing it's best to avoid accessing anything it doesn't really need for us to use its services.
It's like a psychological test.
I think you meant to say, the E in Earth is capitalized.
Otherwise, by your comment, you should have written EARTH.
I think you meant to say, the E in Earth is capitalized.
Otherwise, by your comment, you should have written EARTH.
According to the dictionary it's also correct to use "capitalize" to refer to the initial only:
Our business is based on selling [products]. Our business is not based on having information about you. You are not our product.
I just want to emphasize this statements.
I just want to emphasize this statements.
This guy cant be this dimm? right? can he, doubt it... hope!
If Gov is not requesting info its because it already has it!!!!!
If Gov is not requesting info its because it already has it!!!!!