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People actually mention the word "guarantee" when it comes to data security on the Internet?

There is never a guarantee. It doesn't even matter whether or not the NSA has backdoors to Apple, Google, etc. If the NSA wants your data, they will get it, and a backdoor into some company servers only makes it marginally easier for them.

Iff they can break industry-standard encryption, there's no guarantee. Otherwise, open-source software encrypting data on the client side before sending is perfectly honest to the client. A human can lie to me; C can't.

As I described in another post, if we could just have the data encrypted on our ends and sent/received to/from Apple only as data encrypted with a private key only we have, that would be as guaranteed as RSA (assuming you don't leak your key).
 
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if by "full" you mean the old part one from a couple days ago... sigh.


Anybody have the full part 2 video yet?

I mean "full" as in as full as it can be, and a LOT more full than a mere snippet, as posted in the OP.

I don't mind your ungrateful attitude - I know my link will help those that it helps :)
 
If it wasn't a big deal, they wouldn't have created a web page specifically so people could remove it from their libraries.

It's not FUD if it's actually happening.

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What makes you think I'm not on another forum? I use both Apple and Google products, and I'm as rough on one as I am the other.

It is FUD, because it isn't true. You stated that they pushed the album down to "everyone's computers" when it didn't happen that way. Might they have done it differently? Sure. But I would be willing to bet that it was a very vocal minority who were actually offended by it. And a large group of trolls (including "journalists") who have enjoyed stirring up controversy about it. The vast majority of people were apathetic to it, and a sizable portion of people were excited to get a $10-$12 album for free.

I think any reasonable person who would read the posts you've put on this forum would classify the vast majority of what you've written as FUD.
 
Making money from the data is not the same than selling the data

Overly pedantic alert!

Their doubleclick subsidiary sells data.

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I think any reasonable person who would read the posts you've put on this forum would classify the vast majority of what you've written as FUD.

I actually have been trying to figure out how to get the damn album, since it didn't show up in my purchased lists.
 
As he has stated previously, Cook says that no one has backdoor access to Apple's servers. "We would never allow that to happen," ...

This is handwaving to distract deeper questions.

NSA never said they had direct access to the servers of the companies in the PowerPoint slide.

What they have, is the ability to send requests to the companies. The companies themselves search their own servers and respond with the requested data (or as much as their lawyers deem to be okay to comply).
 
I actually have been trying to figure out how to get the damn album, since it didn't show up in my purchased lists.

It didn’t show up on any of my devices including my iTunes library on my Mac. I had to open iTunes (on my Mac), go to the store, on the right hand side under Quick Links (see image) click that link to ‘purchased’ items, then I saw it, clicked the cloud button, *then* it showed in my various libraries.

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So what evidence do you have for that? None?

You can reset your password simply by clicking link in a password reset verification email, so I think what he said is true. To make the simple example, they could send the link to themselves and click it.
 
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This coming from a company that photoshops out the iPhone 6 camera bulge in 90% of their marketing materials....
 
Maybe it's not what he meant, but I disagree on Tim's view that "everyone deserves respect".

Sorry, no. That is just too simplistic, but such is the word of someone selling something to the masses.

Respect is earned, particularly through a person's actions. As such, it is highly volatile, depending on whether or not individuals agree with said actions.

That said, it's good to hear Apple is putting privacy in high regard.

Still, the use of telecom devices inherently opens you up for lack of privacy. All we have is the word of companies saying they won't, don't, or can't invade it. You want private? Stay offline.
 
"We try to respect your privacy, but when we feel you should have the new U2 album then we'll force it onto your devices."

nope. they added it to your purchase history, and if your device is set to auto-download purchases, you get it.

i dont have it on my device.
 
You can reset your password simply by clicking link in a password reset verification email, so I think what he said is true. To make the simple example, they could send the link to themselves and click it.

But then you'd know something was up. Because they couldn't change it back to your original password (which they don't know).

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This coming from a company that photoshops out the iPhone 6 camera bulge in 90% of their marketing materials....

No. They didn't "photoshop" it out. It's all camera angle and light tricks.
 
We don't read your iMessage... But they will be analysing it in the watch... They showed that.
Actually, it's only uninhibited code that is reading your messages; running algorithms to pick out key phrases that it can generate responses to. Apple would not want all that metadata clogging their servers.
 
iCloud Security

With respect to all of the talk about iCloud security - what Apple really needs to implement is notifications to users when their iCloud account has been accessed from a new Device - so you'd know if you were hacked.

Er...wait a minute...what's this??
 

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Putting it in my purchased list is what I object to. So are you the guy who fills up his iTunes music with all the freebies and then boasts about 3,000 songs in his library?

No, of course not. But having one apple appear that I can stream if I want to doesn't bother me. It doesn't take up any space on my mac, phone or from my allocated iCloud storage.

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I agree. People FIND things to complain about.

If Apple gives away free iPads for some promotion, I bet some people would complain - 'In 4 years, when I'm done with this device, Apple makes me pay a $5 recycling fee! Outrageous!'

Exactly. When Apple decided to boost sales of the iPhone 5S in retail stores at the start of the summer the response was 'desperate much'.

When apple introduced Apple Pay, which uses NFC, people say 'I've had NFC since 2012!'
 
I call bullcrap on that because any large company not spying on their customers cannot be successful and they won't know what the next step or trend will be its that simple.
 
I call bullcrap on that because any large company not spying on their customers cannot be successful and they won't know what the next step or trend will be its that simple.

Of course it's a load of bull, but it's not like he can just go out and say "lol yea we send all your data to the government I hope you don't mind :^)"

Until people really start grabbing the pitchforks over this kind of stuff large companies are just going to continue to lie to our face and keep doing it, and why wouldn't they? The "backlash" from crap like Snowden was a complete joke. Absolutely nothing has changed. They'll sell you until they can't anymore.
 
I like how companies can keep continuing on "protecting the customer" as though everything is all right, when we know an attack has just been done on iCloud backups.

Tim is a riot :) How can u look me in the eye, and lie like that. I know their trying, but their not trying hard enough..

It's all for a good image for the company.....

With respect to all of the talk about iCloud security - what Apple really needs to implement is notifications to users when their iCloud account has been accessed from a new Device - so you'd know if you were hacked.

Er...wait a minute...what's this??

Banks do this too, or should.

You saying banks, should redefine their own way of "emailing the user when a transaction has been unauthorized" ?, so rather than helping the customer and alert them to the problem at hand, they should just "not do anything" while our accounts get hacked ?

At least its a email.... what else are u gonna do ? I'd hate to work in security for you.

I applause Apple, not really for the security side, but keeping users notified...

If Apple just didn't do anything, you'd still be complaining.
 
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But then you'd know something was up. Because they couldn't change it back to your original password (which they don't know).

Yes, I'd know something was up, and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it. However, the more important implication is that they have a way into our accounts that does not involve any authentication on our end. Maybe there could be two passwords that get into the account. No way for us to tell. If we are to have any assurance of privacy beyond Tim Cook's promise that they don't collect data, that password reset method would have to not exist, among other things.
 
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