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Tim Cook Speaks on Privacy in New Interview: 'We Try Not to Collect Data'

AlecZ said:
Yes, I'd know something was up, and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it. However, the more important implication is that they have a way into our accounts that does not involve any authentication on our end. Maybe there could be two passwords that get into the account. No way for us to tell. If we are to have any assurance of privacy beyond Tim Cook's promise that they don't collect data, that password reset method would have to not exist, among other things.
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I'm still missing your point. Doesn't the password reset require answering the security questions?
 
cmaier said:
I'm still missing your point. Doesn't the password reset require answering the security questions?
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No, there are two options. You can either reset by a verification email, or you can answer three security questions. I'm assuming the questions themselves can form a key to get into your encrypted data, but the email is fishy. Lots of other websites also allow the password to be reset purely by email. Even if it wasn't fishy, there's no way for us to know whether or not Apple keeps a secret way into our accounts. I would need to know that everything is encrypted and decrypted client-side.

A bit off topic, it's wise to put false answers to the security questions that you'll remember since they're basically your second password and will be a weak link if you put real info that people know about you. "What's your pet's name?" "ljkf4_ddD990"
 
X-X said:
Ever heard of iAds?
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How much money do they make from that? Give me the financials so I can see if its more than 0.5% (I doubt it)? So, how does that negate my argument? They're all about hardware as an access point to their ecosystem.

BTW, Iads was done to counter Google making money off their own phone. Google probably makes more money from ads from Apple Users than they do from Android phones, which is ironic.
 
shootingrubber said:
Part 2 here: http://hulu.com/w/kvh3
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Thanks. I just finished watching it. Steve Jobs wasn't mistaken in his vision of Tim Cook as CEO. It's clear from this interview how passionate Tim is about the work he does with Apple and it's quite striking and even inspiring to listen to him talk about it.

I have an abundance of confidence in Apple in the next decade and beyond. The grounding and core philosophies of the company are so clear, potent, and arguably timeless because, according to Tim, it all comes down to empowering people and enriching people's lives. And I think Apple is really doing it.

Very historical moment for Apple, it has been a pleasure to observe and be a part of (once I get my new iPhone, that is hehe).
 
odds said:
Thanks. I just finished watching it. Steve Jobs wasn't mistaken in his vision of Tim Cook as CEO. It's clear from this interview how passionate Tim is about the work he does with Apple and it's quite striking and even inspiring to listen to him talk about it.

I have an abundance of confidence in Apple in the next decade and beyond. The grounding and core philosophies of the company are so clear, potent, and arguably timeless because, according to Tim, it all comes down to empowering people and enriching people's lives. And I think Apple is really doing it.

Very historical moment for Apple, it has been a pleasure to observe and be a part of (once I get my new iPhone, that is hehe).
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Agreed 100%.
 
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While this should shut up all the conspiracy theorists with no understanding of cryptography, I'm sure it won't:

http://www.apple.com/privacy/privacy-built-in/
 
jm001 said:
I don't think the gubment is interested that you're flirting with someone on iMessage or through e-mail. And if you've done something illegal, why the fnck are you bragging about it online?

You know who should be paranoid? The people in the Middle East, people living in China, people living in parts of Africa and those living in the Ukraine and Russia. Also people who work for or are members of a drug cartel. The rest of us can relax.
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Yes. Snowden revealed that the largest amount of NSA activity is dedicated to watching nudes.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/snowden-nude-sexually-compromising-photos-guardian-interview/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...around-nude-photos-obtained-mass-surveillance

People living abroad have little reason to be paranoid. People living in the USA do. Look at the Snowden revelations? How many of them focus on US companies like Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Apple, Google, etc? How many of them focus on German Telecom or Abu Dhabi Communications? Exactly who is being targeted here? The fact that you think differently is evidence of how well the American media has subverted the truth. The drug cartels? Give me a break.
 
spicynujac said:
Yes. Snowden revealed that the largest amount of NSA activity is dedicated to watching nudes.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/snowden-nude-sexually-compromising-photos-guardian-interview/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...around-nude-photos-obtained-mass-surveillance

People living abroad have little reason to be paranoid. People living in the USA do. Look at the Snowden revelations? How many of them focus on US companies like Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Apple, Google, etc? How many of them focus on German Telecom or Abu Dhabi Communications? Exactly who is being targeted here? The fact that you think differently is evidence of how well the American media has subverted the truth. The drug cartels? Give me a break.
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See you just proved my point. Paranoid as *****. The gubment doesn't care about the regular Joe and what he/she is doing on a Friday night. They are interested in people with certain "patterns" in their day to day errands or those that take up a "hobby" that is a potential threat to the country.
 
jm001 said:
See you just proved my point. Paranoid as *****. The gubment doesn't care about the regular Joe and what he/she is doing on a Friday night. They are interested in people with certain "patterns" in their day to day errands or those that take up a "hobby" that is a potential threat to the country.
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The above links describe how the majority of NSA activity is related not to attacking criminal enterprises but to watching online sexting and nudes. It is also vastly targeting not foreigners (not that foreigners are any worse than Muricans or deserve more scrutiny) but domestic citizens.
 
If you want privacy, don't connect ANYTHING which transfers data to the internet, ever EVER. If you want to sacrifice that privacy for convenience, you better wise up fast and learn that you have ZERO influence or control over the 1,001 things, systems and cameras that are monitoring you ALL the time.

Wake up, and stop thinking that not using *one* brand has suddenly made you anonymous - utterly naive.

I trust Apple, and I like Tim Cook a great deal. If you don't? Fine, go and get over it somewhere quiet.
 
Nicky G said:
So it sounds like you don't believe that any company is capable of acting more ethically proper than any other company, which really gives you quite a lot of wiggle room to not pay any attention to how you interact with corporations, because they're all equally evil.

I'd submit that if you truly believe this, you're absolutely absurd, and there are many qualitative and quantitative metrics one can use to compare the ethical and moral actions of one corporation versus another. Just because you're too lazy or cynical to do it, don't try to convert us all to your breed of laziness and cynicism.
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Quoted for truth.
 
MentalFloss said:
So what is Apple supposed to say? "We don't collect data"? That would be a lie, because it's impossible for a company to function without ever collecting data. Or should they say "We collect data"? That's also wrong, because they would put themselves on one level with Google - a company which builds its whole business model on collecting data.

When Apple states that they try not to collect data, it implies that they collect only the data that is necessary for them to conduct their business. They have the addresses of users to ship stuff to them. They have their credit card information to charge them for products and services. They know which apps or music they own to give Genius recommendations. When a company tries not to collect data, it means that they consider carefully whether a certain piece of data is necessary for conducting business or not. And this "consideration" is the part described as "trying".

I'm actually amazed at how many people here try so very hard not to understand that. Start your own company, run your own website offering services, and then you'll be surprised how much data from customers and users you will actually end up with that you have to very carefully and selectively get rid of in order not to end up collecting it.
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Quoted for truth.
 
melendezest said:
Maybe it's not what he meant, but I disagree on Tim's view that "everyone deserves respect".

Sorry, no. That is just too simplistic, but such is the word of someone selling something to the masses.

Respect is earned, particularly through a person's actions. As such, it is highly volatile, depending on whether or not individuals agree with said actions.
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I would agree with Tim with a caveat. Everyone deserves respect until they demonstrate otherwise. You, anonymous poster, deserve my respect until you lose it. That is not to say my respect for you tops my respect for someone who has earned additional respect in my eyes. But certainly more than that hoser upthread who lost it all.
 
odds said:
Thanks. I just finished watching it. Steve Jobs wasn't mistaken in his vision of Tim Cook as CEO. It's clear from this interview how passionate Tim is about the work he does with Apple and it's quite striking and even inspiring to listen to him talk about it.

I have an abundance of confidence in Apple in the next decade and beyond. The grounding and core philosophies of the company are so clear, potent, and arguably timeless because, according to Tim, it all comes down to empowering people and enriching people's lives. And I think Apple is really doing it.

Very historical moment for Apple, it has been a pleasure to observe and be a part of (once I get my new iPhone, that is hehe).
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If you want to be a part of it buy some shares if you don't have yet
 
Of course :

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/12/yahoo-feds-made-us-spy-or-pay-250k-day-fines/

What do u think would happen if Apple didn't comply, they would be forced to pay..... then what happens when the money runs out ?

Something has to give at one point.

Not saying here that Apple will hand over anything, because after seeing EFF.org, I believe in Apple's transparency now...... But, i'm just pointing out, Yahoo also does the same transparency, and look what happens to them..

All i'm saying if it happens to Yahoo,why can' it happen to Apple ?
 
Tech198 said:
Of course :

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/12/yahoo-feds-made-us-spy-or-pay-250k-day-fines/

What do u think would happen if Apple didn't comply, they would be forced to pay..... then what happens when the money runs out ?

Something has to give at one point.

Not saying here that Apple will hand over anything, because after seeing EFF.org, I believe in Apple's transparency now...... But, i'm just pointing out, Yahoo also does the same transparency, and look what happens to them..

All i'm saying if it happens to Yahoo,why can' it happen to Apple ?
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Apple and the pres are tight, they'll turn over whatever their told to. In a flash. It's for their gain. Behind the scenes anything and everything occurs. The rest of the public thrives in denial.
 
iososx said:
Apple and the pres are tight, they'll turn over whatever their told to. In a flash. It's for their gain. Behind the scenes anything and everything occurs. The rest of the public thrives in denial.
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They can't turn over what they don't have. They cannot be punished for turning over what's not in their possession, custody, or control. That's why they don't want the keys.
 
cmaier said:
They can't turn over what they don't have. They cannot be punished for turning over what's not in their possession, custody, or control. That's why they don't want the keys.
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That is a very convincing dialog. Wonder how many believe it.
 
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