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Tim really needs to shut up. I'm tired of Companies and Actors chiming in on politics. They have no clue.

Let me guess: Is it because most actors and tech companies are on the more progressive, liberal side? Must be tough to reconcile using tech from Google, Microsoft, Apple, and others knowing they think Trump is as competent a leader as a block of concrete.
 
Anecdotal 100% but I'm not as sure as Cook on his assessment of the HomePod relative to other new Apple products. I've been an early adopter of just about every all new Apple non-Mac product since the iPod. I'm 100% not interested in HomePod because it's too expensive to outfit my entire home with.

If it had one main speakers and then a much lower priced satellite for other rooms I'd be all in. I think that is what Cook doesn't get.

The other Apple products were different in that they were either personal and/or didn't require a half dozen units to be useful unless you lived in a studio apt.
You know that's an eventuality - I'm pretty sure he gets it but Apple never shows their full hand or reveals their long term plans.
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God bless Trump for not just making America great again but also STRONG again

Tim Cook would have us apologizing to the world everyday if he was president

Do you honestly believe anything has actually changed yet in America? Especially when it comes to the military? It's insane how people like you think ANYTHING has happened yet...and are already praising him.
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Let me guess: Is it because most actors and tech companies are on the more progressive, liberal side? Must be tough to reconcile using tech from Google, Microsoft, Apple, and others knowing they think Trump is as competent a leader as a block of concrete.

Basically, anyone who is a liberal, needs to "shut up". It doesn't matter what job they have. If they're billionaires, they're too rich to understand. If they're poor, they're just stupid people. If they're actors, they're flaky. There's an answer for all of it, and it comes down to complete and utter dismissal of any reality except the very well built bubble these people live in.
 
You know that's an eventuality - I'm pretty sure he gets it but Apple never shows their full hand or reveals their long term plans.

Maybe but the speed Amazon is moving it might be too late. People will be "invested" in Echo, not just $-wise, but phraseology and functionality too. It's very different than, say the iPod, because MP3 players were horrible and had a tiny capacity. It's not like the iPhone because the Palm and Blackberry were primitive in comparison. Echo is a strong product though. Competing with it is not picking low fruit. So I think Apple missed by not going big. The same mentality hurt them in the TV streamer market too. ATV was ahead of its time but then Apple let competitors leapfrog it.
 
If America is so important, why is he so keen on being in the Paris Agreement? Really, the basic concept, treat our earth better isn't a bad thing, but the Paris Agreement was so poorly written that if we stayed in it and abided by it, it would have cost us a lot and it wouldn't have actually had any effect. Especially when some many companies say they are going to do what they can to be more green anyway, the bottom line is government regulation never works as well as when things are voluntary.

We need to take a step back and look at what actually is good for America, for example, manufacturing products in America is good for America, not manufacturing them in China and other countries that have massive pollution issues, then adding to the pollution by shipping them to America.

So, please let's take a step back and understand that leaving the Paris Agreement was a good thing for America and quite possibly the rest of the world.

Ya and how much would that iPhone manufactured in USA cost?
 
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...How's that SECOND AMENDMENT doing, Tim? TENTH? Liar.

Exactly! I couldn't help but snicker when I saw his comment on the Constitution. He obviously meant only the specific parts of it that he subscribes to, while hypocritically ignoring the parts of it that he doesn't.
 
AirPods don't seem like they are an "outfit [your] entire home" device. We were all expecting a competitor to the Amazon/Google devices, but I don't really think that's what these are. While those devices are focused on digital assistants with music as a peripheral benefit, this primarily seems to be a speaker for music that will live in those places where music ordinarily is played. It's simply a different product.

For me, it's also a miss. I have two high-quality audio systems in my home and various other powered speakers for other locations. While I would welcome an inexpensive Siri device that I could put around my home for home control (like Amazon's Echo dots), I don't need another speaker. I'm sure others have different needs, though.

It will be interesting to see whether Apple got this one right or not.


I assume you meant "HomePod" not AirPod. You are correct they are not really a compeitor to Echo because is a complete system. HomePod is not. One can easily afford to put an Echo in the family room and Dots in other rooms. But if the HomePod is supposed to be a smartspeaker for the smarthome it fails because that's $350 for every room. A smarthome requires functionality in all the major rooms. It can't be that I can bark Siri commands in the living room but not the kitchen or bedroom. If I want to turn the lights off or adjust the thermostat or order a pizza via voice I don't want that ability in just one room I want it in every major room in the house.

Now if the HomePod is really just intended to be an AppleMusicPod then I guess is serves that purpose OK -- though I listen to music in several rooms, not exclusively one. Maybe I'm alone and people have exclusive "listening rooms" For me the absence of a complete line is the weak link. It's use case is very different than other non-Mac Apple devices in the past but TC doesn't recognize that for some reason.
 
If you remember when the iPod was introduced, a lot of people said, "Why would anybody pay $399 for an MP3 player?" And when iPhone was announced, it was, "Is anybody gonna pay"--whatever it was at that time--"for an iPhone?" The iPad went through the same thing. We have a pretty good track record of giving people something that they may not have known that they wanted :- Macrumors Quote

And Same thing will happen to HomePod, People always complain about the price in the beginning,but after realizing how good the product is for its give price they Goona buy.

HomePod is fairly a Class Leading product and going to Sell in good numbers.

Nobody complained about the price of the iPod when it came out. The competitor was the Creative Nomad Jukebox which was several times the size with a laptop HDD in it, it had a clunky interface. The clickwheel was truly groundbreaking. And the Jukebox was around the same price as the original iPod.

The iPhone was born into a world of blackberries and handspring Treo's. Nobody questioned the iPhone's launch price we were all too amazed by how magical it was compared to anything else.

And the iPad? The most amazing thing about it was how cheap the price was. We all thought it would drop around $1000. When it came out at $500, that was amazing.

Now what have people complained about Apple's price on? The Apple watch, which Apple still hides the sales figures for. The last Apple speaker that HiFi which flopped spectacularly at the same price point. The 2016 MBP.
 
Tim Cook is a U.S. citizen and has every right to say what he wants under the first amendment. Additionally, as a corporate businessman, I’m pretty sure he knows a lot more than us about politics.
Yes and I have every right to tell him to shut up.
 
I assume you meant "HomePod" not AirPod. You are correct they are not really a compeitor to Echo because is a complete system. HomePod is not. One can easily afford to put an Echo in the family room and Dots in other rooms. But if the HomePod is supposed to be a smartspeaker for the smarthome it fails because that's $350 for every room. A smarthome requires functionality in all the major rooms. It can't be that I can bark Siri commands in the living room but not the kitchen or bedroom. If I want to turn the lights off or adjust the thermostat or order a pizza via voice I don't want that ability in just one room I want it in every major room in the house.

Now if the HomePod is really just intended to be an AppleMusicPod then I guess is serves that purpose OK -- though I listen to music in several rooms, not exclusively one. Maybe I'm alone and people have exclusive "listening rooms" For me the absence of a complete line is the weak link. It's use case is very different than other non-Mac Apple devices in the past but TC doesn't recognize that for some reason.

Yes, I meant HomePod. And I agree with essentially everything you are saying. This seems to be an Apple Music-focused listening device rather than what most people were expecting. And I'm not really sure what the market is (though it may exist). I do have a listening room, but it already has equipment and this device wouldn't really add anything. For smart home applications, I assume you are correct that people want something they can talk to in various parts of the house.
 
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Can't you just feel the greatness? Seriously, I mean, it is seriously seriously fantastic how great we are. The greatest. Everyone says how great we are and how great Trump is for making us so great. If you want the truth, He is the best at making countries great again. Everybody says so.

Oh, okay...that's great. ;)
 
In the same breath he talks about his responsibility as an American and pushing "hard on immigration". Mass immigration since the 1960s has ripped America apart at the seams, and Cooks support for H1-Bs specifically is a direct assault on American tech workers. It's only about paying lower wages.

It's quite a coincidence that he talked about "bloody politics" a few days or weeks before an attempted massacre of Republican politicians by a Bernie Bro. Sorry Tim, you and other progressive SJWs made everything about politics, this is a cultural war and its just getting started. Apple just banned an app from the App Store because it featured Pepe the Frog. You've repeatedly flipped the middle finger to everyone to the right of Jeb! Bush, who doesn't want to be forced to associate with people who they don't share morals or values with. Apple under Cook has made clear what side they are on, Steve Jobs (though a leftist by all accounts) wasn't a politically correct Borg who valued "the narrative" over respect for half his customers.
 
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I think it's funny hearing the same arguments about "apple not innovating" from the same crows that criticizes apple for "not making the same products over and over again"
 
Cook needs to put his money where his mouth is. Ive been watching many of the WWDC videos this year and find it appalling that so many of Apples engineers could barely speak English. It is pretty apparent that Apple has a policy of screwing over America and the American worker. If Cook really believes in America he needs to be more focused on jobs for Americans. Right now Apple simply looks cheap, shopping for the lowest labor rates possible.

One might try to argue that Apple needs the talent which might be true in extreme cases. But the breadth of imported talent says something different to me. It says im interested mostly in the costs of that labor because it is hard to believe qualified people dont exist for those run of the mill jobs already.

I gave Cook a lot of slack at first but i find his attitude with respect to labor to be complete bull ****.
 
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To eliminate every port except thunderbolt 3 is not really improved my live as an Apple user...other than that I agree with what he is saying.
 
The problem with Cooks statrments here is that Apples behavior as a company clearly indicates that they dont give a damn about America. They basically have shipped all manufacturing over seas. They import a massive amount of engineering support apparently because it is cheap for them to do so. Lets face it these issues right there don't support Cooks claims.

Beyond the issues with labor Apple has gotten its tingers into things that are just bad for America. One big one is the support of immigration from South of the border which uncontrolled has brought much crime to America and undermined that ability of Americans to earn a decent wage. This is one issue where the left simply doesnt have a leg to stand on. This uncontrolled influx has been devastating to communities and individuals alike.


I don't agree with a lot of what Tim Cook or Donald Trump think about the world, but I can get behind this statement:

At the end of the day, I'm not a person who's going to walk away and say, "If you don't do what I want, I leave." I'm not on a council, so I don't have those kind of decisions. But I care deeply about America. I want America to do well. America's more important than bloody politics from my point of view.
If we can't work together, it's going to be really hard to get anything accomplished.
 
I'm tired of companies and actors speaking out and telling people what and how to think.

If you take your political ideology from Miley Cyrus, Exxon, and Apple- you're an idiot.
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Personal Freedom and Firearms all the way! What amazes me is even after this shooting how the left came out and just started immediately asking for gun control. So what you're going to ask a bunch of people in Virginia to get rid of their guns because a bunch of liberals in CA and NYC are upset? Give me a break. The Democrats want the federal government to intervene in everything. States rights people! How people feel in NYC is WAY different than Ohio or Michigan or Indiana... the same party that wants our government to stay out of foreign affairs wants it to control every living being within our own country. Just as attitudes are different from the US to Germany, local attitudes are different from NYC to TX. Stop putting your paws on everything and let people live.
 
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I'm tired of companies and actors speaking out and telling people what and how to think.

If you take your political ideology from Miley Cyrus, Exxon, and Apple- you're an idiot.
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Personal Freedom and Firearms all the way! What amazes me is even after this shooting how the left came out and just started immediately asking for gun control. So what you're going to ask a bunch of people in Virginia to get rid of their guns because a bunch of liberals in CA and NYC are upset? Give me a break. The Democrats want the federal government to intervene in everything. States rights people! How people feel in NYC is WAY different than Ohio or Michigan or Indiana... the same party that wants our government to stay out of foreign affairs wants it to control every living being within our own country. Just as attitudes are different from the US to Germany, local attitudes are different from NYC to TX. Stop putting your paws on everything and let people live.
If those congressmen were trained with firearms and carried them, how far would that psycho have made it?

Wish he would have lived so we could see him stand trial, but that's not how our police operate.

In response to ceos and celebs making political influences, it's not right and I hope it negatively effects their business models. People are essentially parrots, the left parrots what they see on their tvs and the right parrot what they see on their tvs. People as a whole are not capable of formulating their own opinions. Critical thinking is not taught in public school.
 
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Im not sure what the issue is, it could be the state of the country where negativity has engulfed the left leading to criticism of EVERYTHING. It could be paid trolling from the competition or sonebody on Wall Street trying to make the big score. Or it vould simply be ignorance.

All one needs to do is spend a bit of time reviewing WWDC videos to understand that innovation is still pretty hot at Apple. Maybe people don't see software, advanced displays and the processors to support them as innovation. For example the new iPads are effectively completely reengineered with new technologies.

Now maybe what concerns people is Apples unwillingness to bring out new Mac Mini's and Mac Pros. That is a real issue and frankly Apple has yet to address that properly. The problem of course is that product updates aren't innovation anyways.

So ithink what disturbs people isnt the lack of innovation, there is plenty of that, but rather the lack of meaningful product updates. Unfortunately the lack of updates confuses people leaving them to surmise that Apple doesnt innovate anymore. Sad really.

APPLE'S had quite a few innovative products over the past few years. I don't quite understand how people don't see them. 3d touch, air pods, apple watch, their chip designs, the newly introduced ar-kit...
 
Tim really needs to shut up. I'm tired of Companies and Actors chiming in on politics. They have no clue.
The guy was asked a direct bloody question in a bloody interview for crying out loud! Have you ever been asked a question? Would you characterize your answer as "chiming in"?? Good lord, he's not the one who should shut up already. Take a pill or drink decaf, everyone.
 
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Touch ID in display is well... meh and small... ARKit! Yay, oh wait... Oculus has been around how long? We shall see with the sensor, lots have tried and none have been able to get a reliable one.

You can argue it all you want, but my personal belief is that they have peaked and are starting their downward run.
That is extremely negative. Apple has certainky screwed up lately but i see them in a very good position moving forward.

For example Oculus means nothing compared to what Apple is bringing to AR. In a nut shellApe willhave AR running on a massive number of devices this fall. AR by the way that looks very well done. In the end it is all about being able to bring devices and software to market that developers actually adopt.

You need to brush off this negativity disease that seems to be infecting the country. In stead look at Apples direction and potential. Right now it looks to be better than ever.
 
Let me guess: Is it because most actors and tech companies are on the more progressive, liberal side? Must be tough to reconcile using tech from Google, Microsoft, Apple, and others knowing they think Trump is as competent a leader as a block of concrete.

Have you ever stopped and wondered why that's the case?
 
3d touch has some potential.
Air Pods are nothing new and wireless buds have been around for a long time.
Apple Watch - Again, smart watches have been around for a long time.
Chip designs? This isn't bad...
arkit - you mean oculus...
Homepod - Alexa...

Even Tim says they aren't innovative. They have, in fact, been taking tech from others and making it Apple. This is not innovation.
every product apple has done has been around before they did it correctly. air pods are extremely new - the w1 chip allows an incredible battery life and no one has done two independent earphones. apple watch is the most successful smart watch on the market, chip designs are more than 'isn't bad'. oculus doesn't have an api. i didn't list home pod because we don't yet know its full potential.
 
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