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A few reasons immediately come to mind as to why Apple included the Watch app in the OS distribution, instead of having it in the App Store.

- Advertising the Watch to iOS users, as you mentioned.

- Being already downloaded when you buy a Watch.

- So that no one can extrapolate Watch sales from number of app reviews / ranking.
 
I can only see a very small default apps that could be deleted without "breaking" the iOS experience.
Tips being one of them.

but Stocks, weather, etc. though maybe not used everyday, are useful to Siri if asking a question. I am sure the added ability to track certain stocks or cities makes those apps worthy. Perhaps if you could set certain Stocks/Cities within Settings and simply call upon Siri to find the info, they could remove such default apps but not too sure how many would be delete-able.
 
Incorrect. There was nothing hyperbolic about my hypothetical Wireless app. Many of the stock apps are completely comparable to Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. The hypothetical app was used to give a comparison and view point of how to look at many of the stock apps. Many of the apps I listed are arguably nearly as vital. You are conveniently glossing over half of my post as I made no such mention of the tips and stocks apps being vital apps. Quit trying to jump on the Tips and Stocks apps, which weren't apps I was even discussing in the first place. I'm not sure why we are even discussing this, since we both agree that there are apps that should be optional. I'm merely arguing the some of the apps are vital parts of OS.
You're right. We are arguing the same basic point. Bolded: Respectfully, you weren't discussing any apps in particular at all (read your own post). The only app you mentioned was the fictitious "Wireless" app. Instead of that "app", you could have used the actual apps you mentioned in subsequent posts. In retrospect, I'm probably being a bit of a pendant. Apologies. I just have a wild, some would say unreasonable:oops:, hair about hyperbole. That's a me issue.
 
Things like the Watch app on iPhone presumably are key to the OS and can't be "deleted" - but I find it hard to believe there's any reason for the app icon other than to raise awareness of the Apple Watch. Stick the app contents under Settings maybe - and have it only appear when there is a paired Watch?

They can certainly hide it, like the nike plus app in older phones, which appears only when you toggle it on in the settings.
 
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I guess my point is, what if I felt the AppStore was unwanted? Now Apple has to provide me with a way to get it back, should I ever want to do so. I guess a restore is in order?

I see where you're coming from. I also see why apple doesn't just allow us to delete whatever we want.

A slight tangent I am sure my son would have irreparably damaged my device by now if this was a thing lol.

Imo, if that's the way you felt, I don't see anything wrong with it. If Apple allowed it's deletion, I'm pretty sure they'd provide an avenue for it to be re-downloaded. Below is an example of someone who actually does feel that way.

Re: Apple's sucky apps that take up real estate:

With my very first iPhone, I made a folder called "Dumb Apps" and moved anything I knew I would rarely use (or thought was just plain dumb to have "permanently" installed on my phone). Some of these apps include Games Center, Stocks, iTunes Store, Apple Store, My A&T, Remote, App Store, and of course the ever-intrusive "My Friends."

Then I moved that folder to my very last "page."

I suspect with iOS 9 I will be adding "Apple News" to that "Dumb Apps" folder.
 
Sorry Timmy, it's a nice feature to have, but my old amera already had...

 
No need to delete the apps if they are connected to some other app.
Just allow an option to hide the icon, and openup the real estate !
 
Sorry Timmy, it's a nice feature to have, but my old amera already had...


Sure, it's a little hyperbolic, but I don't disagree that as a tech: it might actually reach critical mass (vs. being relegated to a extremely niche userbase ...), become 2nd nature to anyone shooting and sharing photos, get widespread adoption across major media sharing mechanisms (FB, Twitter, Instagram), and have the _potential_ to be unique in terms of its scope. :)

Side note: nice job on the app!
 
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"I think Live Photos is a medium that hasn’t existed before"

You "think" that Tim? As CEO you really need to do better than that. I've got a point-and-shoot camera I bought 2 or 3 years ago that does this, and I think people have already said Android and Windows phone have had apps that have done this for a while. I'm sure there will be subtle differences in execution, but "magical" photos with a pre- and post-roll video are really nothing new.

Actually my more-than-10-year-old Sony DSC-M1 has this feature!
 
Deleting stock apps, .. i think Tim handles this response well.

i.e. if u were able to remove "contacts", any app which wants to use the contacts list would then "break" because the app is no longer there..

I think everyone would want to remove newsstand..

This is allot better than a work-around "lets create a folder we will never use again to put all our junk into"

It will be like my wardrobe at home... (opps... quick edit)
 
Dear Mr. Cook,

If you or your immediate staff should happen upon this reply, probably every iPhone / iPad owner here at Mac Rumors has at least one unused and default Apple app tucked away in a folder to hide it from sight. The best software developer in the world is unable to let users delete apps without issue? C'mon.

Sincerely,

I think I speak for everybody
 
This. Apple, if you really care about the customers, don't be so desperate to grab the extra $100 to get something better than the ancient 16GB

when people attending the presentatin saw that iPhone still starts at pathetic 16 Gb should have whistled and shamed Apple for this, but ....

Apple needs to see a middle finger very soon to get back to planet earth.
 
Dear Mr. Cook,

If you or your immediate staff should happen upon this reply, probably every iPhone / iPad owner here at Mac Rumors has at least one unused and default Apple app tucked away in a folder to hide it from sight. The best software developer in the world is unable to let users delete apps without issue? C'mon.

Sincerely,

I think I speak for everybody

Stocks app has ties with the system way too deep :D
 
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Ignore the comments and forget them. Or, come online and complain about the complaints for even more attention.

...and laugh at the complainers who complain about the complainers complaining who gets the attention.
 
[1] Privacy - How about permanently deleting cookies and internet data - every time I log into Facebook the damn thing lags (gathering data?) but when I delete data then it works quickly. [2] And I should not have to confirm to turn off privacy - when I select privacy off, I mean OFF. [3] Tim, you say you want to make the experience less annoying so how about NOT TREATING US LIKE WE HAVE ALZHEIMERS - stop reminding us that data is turned off for settings or iBooks or whatever! [4] For the sake of elegance, how about creating a different adult user class that does not want things like game center and being notified when someone online picks their nose - just make it so when a new IOS comes out we can deselect crap apps we do not want. [5] Give us back the elegant, simplified Photo on the phone. I can't find anything now with albums and events and years etc... Can I get an AMEN?
 
One aspect that may be changing in the future, however, is a much-requested way to delete apps like "Stocks" and "Tips" from the iPhone. Cook and the company are aware of the fans' cry for the feature and want to work something out, but it may be more complicated than it seems.
Tim also promised we would be able to consolidate Apple IDs and we all know that never happened, so don't get your hopes up...
 
Begs the question if TC thinks we Apple product fans are idiots. iOS 7 was a major overhaul and certainly at that stage of the App Store the Stock App, et al., was stale and eclipsed by 3rd party ones. That was a perfect time to unhook them from the system.

But look at Newsstand. It was a fairly old app and Apple seemed to flick it off the OS rather easily in iOS 9. All the news apps like WSJ that used to be pinned to Newsstand came right out of the folder and Newsstand went poof. Is TC saying that Stocks is so embedded into the system in can't easily be unhooked without pulling down other parts of the OS? If so seems like bad coding, but I'm not a coder. And apps like Weather... OK I get that but certainly the OS could pull the data in the background w/o need for the app.

Just seems like TC is trying to piss on us and tell us it's raining.
 
How about ask why the battery keeps getting smaller and barely lasts a day and why we have to turn off all the features they tout about at keynote so we can conserve battery to last through the day? No we would never get a question like that.
 
Sure, it's a little hyperbolic, but I don't disagree that as a tech: it might actually reach critical mass (vs. being relegated to a extremely niche userbase ...), become 2nd nature to anyone shooting and sharing photos, get widespread adoption across major media sharing mechanisms (FB, Twitter, Instagram), and have the _potential_ to be unique in terms of its scope. :)

Side note: nice job on the app!

Yeah, I don't think the idea came from Nikon also, it's an obvious idea.

Thanks.
 
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