You'd think, but many take better care of their cars (both time & money) than their own bods.
Tim Cook Teases the Future of Apple Watch: 'Think About the Amount of Sensors in Your Car'
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Unggoy Murderer
macrumors 65816
So much this. I'm definitely surrounded by electronics (smartphone, tablet, TV, watch, smart home stuff, etc), but I still go outside, do fun things that don't need any of those, go and see people without looking at the phone for a few hours.
On the thread subject - if my watch wants to monitor "my health" to increasingly detailed levels, I'm probably going to be okay with that (presuming Apple continue their current privacy levels). Having something keeping its ear to the ground with regards to my body isn't really going to harm me - and it tells me the time now and then, so...
This may be true for you, but I work remotely and can go into the backyard whenever I like. I also have multiple extended family members who wouldn't be alive now if not for recent developments in cancer treatments that didn't exist in the "pre-internet age." I can assure you, their quality of life is better than if they were dead!
Hyde0709
macrumors newbie
I have to imagine this would force it into the Rx category, which in itself is a hurdle.
Parkin Pig
macrumors 6502a
I've just renamed my kitchen 'The Tuscan Meadows Suite'. I feel fitter already!
Any chance of fitting a gullibility sensor to that $500 18-hour timepiece?
Any chance of fitting a gullibility sensor to that $500 18-hour timepiece?
It will be good a hace a glucometer on my car ..... better if it is as the Apple Watch (if it’s ever possible to do this test without a blood sample). I understand that there’s a method to do it without blood, but might not be reliable
sc0rch3d
macrumors newbie
After having a Garmin Fenix for a few weeks, there are some really cool things that need to be expanded. Garmin is guessing at your "body battery" (how much activity vs. sleep you need) and your stress levels. We might only need a few more sensors but a LOT more smart use of them for them to be useful in my everyday life.
MidwestMacGuy
macrumors regular
Just like anyone else, you measure what is really going on by what they do, not what they say. In the case of the Apple Watch, the new oxygen sensor did not go through medical certification to save time, trouble, and/or money. That makes it a toy, not a tool. Then there's that sleep tracking. It is not a real sleep tracker. All it does it let you know if you get out of bed to pee. It does not tell you how deep you are sleeping or if you have sleep apnea. So what Apple is actually doing is making big claims on minor toy like features with no real value. Based on this, you can easily figure out where Apple Watch is going. It will be like a trophy spouse, lots of glamor with little else going for it.
Rainshadow
macrumors 6502a
I don’t understand why people dislike a device because they have a personal inability to just view the data as supplemental or gathering a baseline. Folks on here often complain about the watch regarding hypochondriacs and the like... I mean... should Apple not provide a lifesaving device with this remarkable technology just so people can live in blind ignorance?
If that’s the way some folks feel, cool. I just don’t understand the hate for the product because of personal issues unrelated to the device.
Maybe Apple should release a version that provides a kind warning when you have viewed your metrics too many times!
UltimaKilo
macrumors 65816
What’s the story here? The CEO hypes his products or his deep thinking about being out in nature? 🤣
Justanotherfanboy
Suspended
Lol, people are saying that the $550 headphones aren’t as good as a pair of free earbuds & you personally are ignoring the fact that Apple is the most carbon neutral environmentally friendly company on the planet & pretending that the exact opposite is true.
I'm not as eager as you to throw around words like “delusional”... but disingenuous, salty, & making up your own reality to fit the chip you have on your shoulder- all seem pretty fair & accurate.
Mainyehc
macrumors 6502a
Look, I know where you're coming from with this, but unless you really want to go full Luddite, the Apple Watch and other wearables themselves are definitely not the targets you should be shooting at.
A repairable, serviceable (including the battery), mostly waterproof (if regular watchmakers can do it, so can Apple and other tech companies), compact wearable device with all sorts of biometric and health sensors, visual and aural inputs and outputs, and antennae in it can not only save lives (look it up… How much is a human life worth to you? What about hundreds or thousands of them?), but also, one day, fully replace a smartphone and actually contribute to lessen one's dependency – as in “addiction to dopamine kicks from endlessly scrolling feeds” and constant availability of non-essential communication, for potentially undesirable side goals like being tethered to your job 24/7, not a functional, visceral and almost homeostatic craving for emergency response and generic human-to-human communication, which humans will always try to solve in a more efficient manner whenever any given technological advance emerges and I'm not at all trying to bash here as frivolous – on technology. Should smartphones become less of a staple in everyone's pockets, once the lowly but dependable smartwatch can do the 80% of daily tasks that really matter and perhaps be complemented by some projected UI, or smart glasses HUD, or some other Minority Report-like UX shenanigans, who knows how society will evolve, really?
Coming from another angle, the strictly materialistic one, should raw material resource reserves and supplies on this planet become constrained to the point of us having to resort to rationing the tech products they're made of (and end up kind of like the East Germans, when they had to linger for years on a waiting list for a Trabant), smartwatches at the lower end and very modular, desktop or even laptop but definitely very-low-power PCs (think the M1 Mini's and Air's great-great-grandchildren, and it's no accident that said Mini became so popular overnight in Japan, a country known for its tiny flats and high population density) at the higher end would become the only devices that would make sense for most essential use cases (in such a world, materials for batteries and storage media would also be constrained, so our beloved phablet/American-car-sized smartphones would be an absolute no-go, sorry). It's better that we get ahead of that quasi-apocalyptical juncture and swiftly avoid it, for our own collective good if not outright survival, but in that scenario, constraints and limitations would finally dictate our culture, and not the other way around.
Also, on that subject, why don't you fight instead for right-to-repair legislation that actually forces manufacturers to produce said serviceable devices and make repair manuals and parts widely available (or at least stop killing off a vibrant aftermarket parts ecosystem, corporate paranoia over privacy and fraud be damned)? Let me guess, is that too Socialist/Liberal for you, or are you, in fact, on the right side of history? Apple has the best design chops in the industry, and if they are outright forced to do good (yes, you read that right: legally forced, capitalism, unbridled private initiative and the mass delusions on politics, economics and the laws of business that came from the American Dream and McCarthyism, Reaganism, Thatcherism and other “isms” be damned), they will, because they've got both the money and talent, and if we disregard their hypocrisy for a moment we'll see that they actually have a considerable head-start and goodwill capital on several camps (recycling and packaging being one but, more recently and in an unavoidable note, the M1 represents a seismic shift on what the market will expect and accept from “classic computers” – i.e. desktop and laptop PCs – when it comes to energy consumption).
See, at least until you get comparably efficient modular PCs (and we're talking Apple's now recurrent “5-year-head-start” horizon here, just like what we've seen with the iPhone and iPad, it should be said), it may actually be more environmentally sound to get a glued- and soldered-in, bolted-shut M1 box or laptop and reap in the massive energy savings (sometimes by an order of magnitude!) and longevity (the less you stress components such as the CPU and GPUs, or even the battery, either by constant thermal stress or just regular use, the more they last, so maybe the importance of easy battery replacement on portable M1 machines is moot anyway, as it will either not happen at all until the product is discarded or rendered unusable for some other reason, or just happen once, at most, in case the user is so ideologically and/or financially inclined enjoys doubling the usable life Apple deemed as standard when designing and supporting it), instead of patting yourself on the back for using a modular PC made up of upgradeable components that will also (or are more likely to) end up in a landfill, while burning as much fossil fuels as if you were using a space heater, even during summer/in warmer climates.
Maybe you can already tell that I live in one of such countries, and have been using iMacs that indeed do that to some extent even while having some laptop-bound parts in them and offering comparably superb efficiency… Here's the thing: I am completely coherent with what I preach and, unlike a large number of people in the US and even some here, don't have AC units anywhere in my flat (only electric heaters, for winter months, which means I soldier through summer months like a champ by working mostly during evenings and early mornings), so I'd take this chance to ask you: do you? Are you one of those people who preaches environmental responsibility while having a carbon footprint larger than Godzilla's, or are you doing the absolute best you can, within your local constraints, to save energy, while campaigning for better practices overall?
Hate the game, not the player or the plays. Be objective, man. The very concept of a smartwatch is not the biggest offender here. Some companies' philosophy and processes are. Do you think the casing, gears, glass, etc. on your mechanical watch come out of thin air? Manufacturing those has an environmental impact, too, and they also require maintenance (and the objects those technological advances enabled also radically changed society back in the day, all the way back to the Antikythera mechanism, mind you). Bring those to the smartwatch world, which already also sits near the lowest end of the resource and energy consumption spectrum, and a newfound conscience of what really matters and what modern life should look like, and boom, problem solved. Maybe one day, once we reach the very limits of the Laws of Physics, and Moore's law is, thus, finally put to rest and not merely tweaked (a decades-long state of affairs which has been enabling constant obsolescence by default and not merely by choice), we'll truly get there.
Again, and I cannot stress this enough, focusing this product on human connection and both physical and mental health (and here I'm still skeptical enough about the whole mindfulness angle, but fitness plays a much larger role on Apple's platform anyway and no one will ever seriously argue about the old mens sana in corpore sano adage), and not on productivity alone, is refreshing and seems to point us all in the right direction in at least some way. As we've seen, Apple has never been afraid of cannibalising their products with smaller ones, so who knows it we don't end up in a smartwatch-first and services world. You're well within your right of pointing Apple's hypocrisy (and good on you, as someone absolutely has to do it), but if we're smart enough about it instead of just bashing what they do get right, we may be able to have our cake and eat it too… There's not much sense in throwing out the baby with the bathwater and derailing the discussion without offering a constructive way forward, IMHO.
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innovationwho
Cancelled
Reading all of these comments. You all seem to instantly hate Apple. What was in your drinks this morning?
jonblatho
macrumors 68030
Having access to the data doesn’t mean that you need to spend every waking moment thinking about it, or even close to it.
Earlier this year I lost 50 lbs. I was able to see my cardio fitness improving significantly, which was a motivating factor to me given a family history of heart trouble. My Apple Watch gave me the data I needed to see that my work was paying off in that regard, and I still check it every few weeks or so to make sure that things are where they should be. Other than that, I don’t think about it. At no point have I “constantly monitored” my vitals, and absent a medical crisis there’s no good reason to.
silentdevotion
macrumors member
Several years ago I invested in an Jawbone Up, probably the best decision I ever made. This week a picked up an Apple Watch SE. In a perfect world I would have the form factor of the Jawbone Up with the data of the Apple Watch. I don't need to see what's happening ever second, I just need to know what happened at the end of the day. My up had about a 13 day better life, I would take a 5-7 day Apple variant in a heartbeat.
CarlJ
Contributor
Depends on the car, I suppose.
rgbrock1
Suspended
I would hope that you do not rely on your Apple Watch singularly to monitor your health. You're doing yourself a great disservice if you do.
Freeangel1
Suspended
How many sensors can you put on those $550 pair of headphones
Timmy old boy?
Timmy old boy?
rgbrock1
Suspended
Okay, how about an Apple Pro Oil Change? Only $399. -))
Exactly. What is great is being able to look at trends over time. Having more sensors that generate more actionable data is good.
Congrats to you. My goals of losing weight and getting back into shape were the reasons I bought my first smart watch (the Basis Band from Basis Science, bought by Intel for $100 million and then killed). I am down almost 100 pounds over the last few years. Still about 15 pounds over my weight in high school when I played soccer almost every day. Still working on it.
See the trends was a big help to me as well. Not everyone has the same needs or motivators. I love the challenges I receive from my Apple Watch and I love being able to see that I hit my fitness goals every day.
If this data does not help you, do not bother to collect it, but stop complaining that others want it.
silentdevotion
macrumors member
Thats what third party applications like "pillow" are for, if you want the extra data there is an application for that. For most people like myself I noticed I get up a lot to pee, I still drink the same amount of fluids I just do it much earlier in the day. Also quality of speed, I started sleeping with the window slightly cracked. I noticed when the temperature is about 5-10 degrees cooler I sleep better. Most people don't need that info, I do. All achieved with pillow, I think that was the point of the Apple Watch App Store. That data is coming from the very same Apple Watch and Health application.
Glideslope
macrumors G3
They are working on it. The main hurdle is that any perspiration between the skin and sensor contaminates the reading. This is why only the wireless monitors that attach to your body with the probe inserted into the skin work.
It's going to be very difficult to overcome this issue. However, I stay hopeful.....