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Data like that is pretty important for software developers when trying to diagnose and fix bugs. Deleting after 30 days is a pretty reasonable standard.


Of course that doesn't prevent people who have no clue about that process

I have more than a clue about the process and there's no reason to keep this data for that long. Or at all if its not obfuscated.
 
i'm going to bet that you don't write software. because yes, mistakes in complex software projects happen. all the time, every day.

the hater mindset is so nuts. how you believe that the same company that very publicly stood up to the fbi over encryption is now conspiring to make your local itunes backups weaker is anyone's guest. it's a form of paranoia.

Software is hard!

If your computer has a password and you hard drive is encrypted (if you're worried about your phone being encrypted you should probably encrypt your hard drive, you're not only doing private "stuff" on your phone are you?), it doesn't really matter much if your iTunes backup is encrypted, right? I'm still encrypting the iTunes, I'm just saying if one fails you still have the other.
 
Are people actually going to fall for this nonsense? If Apple were serious about protecting privacy, they would include client side encryption on ALL user data, including iCloud, email, and iMessage. They would have a built in VPN on ALL their products that access the internet and create their own non-tracking search engine instead of pushing people to Bing and Google.

Instead, they fail to deal with all of these and create an OS on the Mac that actively moves more and more data to iCloud. They are even purchasing companies that specialise in processing large amounts of user data in real time, indicating in no uncertain terms exactly what they are doing. It looks a lot like they are trying to get their hands on as much user data as possible using the sneakiest approaches they can find.

Then they try to say they value user privacy? This is marketing BS at its worst.
 
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With macOS Sierra pushing all of your desktop files and Documents files up into your iCloud space, and iCloud not being encrypted nor off limits to government authorities nor crafty hackers...says all there needs to be said.
The "cloud" will be the undoing of us all.
 
Tim talks about Apples commitment to user security.......while looking outside his window at the PRISM gathering device mounted to the telephone pole...that he allowed to be installed.

Also, thanks for storing iMessage meta data, Tim. That is pro user security.

You suck, Tim.
How are they supposed to run a communication network without storing metadata? That means if someone you're trying to send a text to happens to have their phone off or have no signal, they would never get your message nor you would ever know if they didn't receive it or not.
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Are people actually going to fall for this nonsense? If Apple were serious about protecting privacy, they would include client side encryption on ALL user data, including iCloud, email, and iMessage. They would have a built in VPN on ALL their products that access the internet and create their own non-tracking search engine instead of pushing people to Bing and Google.

Instead, they fail to deal with all of these and create an OS on the Mac that actively moves more and more data to iCloud. They are even purchasing companies that specialise in processing large amounts of user data in real time, indicating in no uncertain terms exactly what they are doing. It looks a lot like they are trying to get their hands on as much user data as possible using the sneakiest approaches they can find.

Then they try to say they value user privacy? This is marketing BS at its worst.
Apple never claimed to be the king of security. They have to weigh user features against customer security for every decision. If only it was as easy as posting ignorant comments to run a business that is proiftable and grows.
 
Hm. So, Orrin Hatch wants to understand & takes the initiative to find out. Not, any of the other senators or congressmen who've taken a position on this. Orrin Hatch. Born in 1934.

If congress or the greater gov are both hoping to to have a say in imposing their will over this rapidly changing technological age and remain relevant at all, then Silicon Valley needs to host an annual clinic for congress to give them some idea of what they're opining (& voting) on.

Nice to see someone taking an effort... kind of shocking that out of all of them, it's Orrin Hatch.
Kinda like Bernie. I think that generation ideals are similar to what the current younger generations are trying to achieve.
 
Kinda like Bernie. I think that generation ideals are similar to what the current younger generations are trying to achieve.
Current ?
You mean the Social Media generation that enjoys sexting and putting all their personal information on the web, only to complain about 30 days of metadata being kept ? /s

Privacy is dead, it's just the illusion of it that's still on life support.
 
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Yes and no... somebody always knows how to decrypt, no matter how strong the encryption.

Mostly, I think it makes you safe from script kiddies with no grand plan.
 
Apple and security had become a bit of a job,e lately, iCloud accounts seem to be easy to hack, still.. And they selectively reduced the some of the security in iOS.

It's an area they seriously need to spend less time talking about and more time fixing IMO.

Kate Middleton's sister was in the papers last month because her iCloud account was hacked, and this is after the supposed fixes Apple put in place after all the other Hollywood stars had accounts hacked.

Yeah they most definitely need to be doing a lot more. I don't trust Apple and security at present.
 
Apple never claimed to be the king of security. They have to weigh user features against customer security for every decision. If only it was as easy as posting ignorant comments to run a business that is proiftable and grows.
You might want to have a look at the ignorance behind your own comments. Client side encryption, VPNs, and email with end to end encryption are nothing new, but they have been done by companies that actually do provide GENUINE privacy and security for user data. Apple is NOT one of these companies, and have little real concern about protecting user data beyond using this as a marketing tactic to sell products. Fortunately, more and more people are seeing through the lies of the Apple marketing machine to what the company is really like.
 
How are they supposed to run a communication network without storing metadata? That means if someone you're trying to send a text to happens to have their phone off or have no signal, they would never get your message nor you would ever know if they didn't receive it or not.
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That is not correct. Once the message is delivered and confirmed delivered....there is no longer a need to store anything relating to metadata. There is zero need at all to store anything once a message is delivered. There is actually zero reasons to store locations at all.
 
It's over. Apple have played their card. It's gone FOREVER from the iPhone and most probably from the next iteration of iPads. Get used to it.

Gone from next gen of iPads??
VERY, very, very unlikely.
Unless you believe the conspiracy theorists that believe the "trying to sell more bt headsets" or whatever.
If you actually believe Apple (which I do), it was removed because proximity to the new home button caused electrical "crosstalk" & removing it allowed the extra 2 hours battery life, one less point of ingress, & room for the larger Taptic Engine.
In iPad, the much greater distance between the home button and headphone jack makes the crosstalk less likely, also the additional battery it would allow, on a device this size would net like an extra 15 minutes tops, I can't even imagine the number of and size of Taptic Engines necessary, if they decided to add that to iPad, & I don't hear a clamoring for waterproof iPads.
Contrary to some people's beliefs- Apple doesn't do a lot of these changes, just to be obstinate.
If/when there is a noticeable net positive trade-off (in their opinion), I'm sure it will go.
That will NOT be next gen.
 
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Love Tim, what a great role model for non heterosexuals but mainly as a person in general.

Strangely I didn't take to him at first but like a lot of the best things in life he's really grown on me.

May he be in charge at apple until whenever HE wants to retire.
 
Well I'm sure drug dealers and terrorists are all getting iPhones now! Where's the marijuana emoji?
 
Are people actually going to fall for this nonsense? If Apple were serious about protecting privacy, they would include client side encryption on ALL user data, including iCloud, email, and iMessage. They would have a built in VPN on ALL their products that access the internet and create their own non-tracking search engine instead of pushing people to Bing and Google.

Instead, they fail to deal with all of these and create an OS on the Mac that actively moves more and more data to iCloud. They are even purchasing companies that specialise in processing large amounts of user data in real time, indicating in no uncertain terms exactly what they are doing. It looks a lot like they are trying to get their hands on as much user data as possible using the sneakiest approaches they can find.

Then they try to say they value user privacy? This is marketing BS at its worst.
Security and privacy are not Apple's singular goal. They are also making computing devices that they think people will want to use.

So yes. If Apple were serious about protecting privacy and didn't care about anything else, then the rest of what you say would follow.

In some ways, Apple's goals are in conflict with each other. The most secure system would be self-contained, and walled off completely from the outside world. No cloud, no WiFi, no email, no messaging, no internet at all. But who would want such a system? (Darn few, to answer my own question.)

On the other hand, security and privacy are absolutely not, and cannot be, marketing BS as you call it. Every time Apple's privacy mechanisms get breached, Apple takes a PR hit, and people like you make sure that is the case.

In order to be an effective personal assistant, Siri needs to know a lot about you. But when Siri and Alexa and Cortana are sitting on the park bench by the playground, Siri also needs to be discrete. No gossiping about things you told Siri in confidence. And whatever records Siri keeps to stay on top of your busy schedule need to be kept safe, in case Google Now comes snooping around her office, or PRISM or Echelon or GhostNet, for that matter.
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Well I'm sure drug dealers and terrorists are all getting iPhones now! Where's the marijuana emoji?
Also, doctors, clergy, teachers, and astronauts.
 
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Security and privacy are not Apple's singular goal. They are also making computing devices that they think people will want to use.

So yes. If Apple were serious about protecting privacy and didn't care about anything else, then the rest of what you say would follow.

In some ways, Apple's goals are in conflict with each other. The most secure system would be self-contained, and walled off completely from the outside world. No cloud, no WiFi, no email, no messaging, no internet at all. But who would want such a system? (Darn few, to answer my own question.)

On the other hand, security and privacy are absolutely not, and cannot be, marketing BS as you call it. Every time Apple's privacy mechanisms get breached, Apple takes a PR hit, and people like you make sure that is the case.

In order to be an effective personal assistant, Siri needs to know a lot about you. But when Siri and Alexa and Cortana are sitting on the park bench by the playground, Siri also needs to be discrete. No gossiping about things you told Siri in confidence. And whatever records Siri keeps to stay on top of your busy schedule need to be kept safe, in case Google Now comes snooping around her office, or PRISM or Echelon or GhostNet, for that matter.
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Also, doctors, clergy, teachers, and astronauts.

best post this week or for quite a while.
 
Gone from next gen of iPads??
VERY, very, very unlikely.
Unless you believe the conspiracy theorists that believe the "trying to sell more bt headsets" or whatever.
If you actually believe Apple (which I do), it was removed because proximity to the new home button caused electrical "crosstalk" & removing it allowed the extra 2 hours battery life, one less point of ingress, & room for the larger Taptic Engine.
In iPad, the much greater distance between the home button and headphone jack makes the crosstalk less likely, also the additional battery it would allow, on a device this size would net like an extra 15 minutes tops, I can't even imagine the number of and size of Taptic Engines necessary, if they decided to add that to iPad, & I don't hear a clamoring for waterproof iPads.
Contrary to some people's beliefs- Apple doesn't do a lot of these changes, just to be obstinate.
If/when there is a noticeable net positive trade-off (in their opinion), I'm sure it will go.
That will NOT be next gen.
You're giving Apple far too much credit. This is exactly something they would do.
 
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It's over. Apple have played their card. It's gone FOREVER from the iPhone and most probably from the next iteration of iPads. Get used to it.

Hello, Tim.
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Gone from next gen of iPads??
VERY, very, very unlikely.
Unless you believe the conspiracy theorists that believe the "trying to sell more bt headsets" or whatever.
If you actually believe Apple (which I do), it was removed because proximity to the new home button caused electrical "crosstalk" & removing it allowed the extra 2 hours battery life, one less point of ingress, & room for the larger Taptic Engine.
In iPad, the much greater distance between the home button and headphone jack makes the crosstalk less likely, also the additional battery it would allow, on a device this size would net like an extra 15 minutes tops, I can't even imagine the number of and size of Taptic Engines necessary, if they decided to add that to iPad, & I don't hear a clamoring for waterproof iPads.
Contrary to some people's beliefs- Apple doesn't do a lot of these changes, just to be obstinate.
If/when there is a noticeable net positive trade-off (in their opinion), I'm sure it will go.
That will NOT be next gen.

Sorry, but that is giving Apple far too much credit. You are free to believe whatever you like, but I am certain this IS a move to sell more headphones. Maybe it will go away from Macs too, so... Yeah.
 
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