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Tim.

Sorry are you and me living on different planets?

• since Tim took the helm apple have enjoyed record year on year profits that would leave Steve red faced with envy (respect to Steve).

• The worlds most successful investor in the history of mankind has invested in apple. yes that was a full stop.
He is only the 3rd most wealthy man on the planet - often 1st most wealthy - known NOT to invest in tech and VERY THRIFTY but now a major apple investor.
Why you ask has Warren made that investment in apple inc.
 
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The CEO spoke fondly of keeping the former chairman's office intact at the company's Cupertino campus in California, where Jobs' personal knickknacks remain in place five years after his death from pancreatic cancer at the age of 56.

This is just like how Walt Disney's office was preserved for a few years before it was moved to an exhibit at Disneyland in the late 70's.
 
Hello, Tim.
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Sorry, but that is giving Apple far too much credit. You are free to believe whatever you like, but I am certain this IS a move to sell more headphones. Maybe it will go away from Macs too, so... Yeah.

Lol, the amount Apple makes from bt headphone sales is probably like one tenth of one percent of how much they make selling replacement lighting cables or something like that... it's not even possible to compare it to something like iOS device sales.
Can we just spend some time in reality please??
You are "certain" of NOTHING... you have a wild, anger-fueled theory that is nonsensical at best.
I laid out a clear, intelligent, thoughtful, & informative opinion of why it would not make sense to drop the headphone jack on the iPad. You have a baseless accusation as a reply! Btw, if you think a lot of people are out buying headphones- only for their iPads... & that is somehow a huge market, I literally have no idea what to say to you.
I invite you to think your position through more thoroughly, and minus the emotion.
 
Current ?
You mean the Social Media generation that enjoys sexting and putting all their personal information on the web, only to complain about 30 days of metadata being kept ? /s

Privacy is dead, it's just the illusion of it that's still on life support.
Nah those are too young to vote. Go a little up.
 
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Lol, the amount Apple makes from bt headphone sales is probably like one tenth of one percent of how much they make selling replacement lighting cables or something like that... it's not even possible to compare it to something like iOS device sales.
Can we just spend some time in reality please??
You are "certain" of NOTHING... you have a wild, anger-fueled theory that is nonsensical at best.
I laid out a clear, intelligent, thoughtful, & informative opinion of why it would not make sense to drop the headphone jack on the iPad. You have a baseless accusation as a reply! Btw, if you think a lot of people are out buying headphones- only for their iPads... & that is somehow a huge market, I literally have no idea what to say to you.
I invite you to think your position through more thoroughly, and minus the emotion.

Tycho24, when Apple removes the headphone jack from the iPad, I will say "I told you so".

All I can say now.
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I was so mad when they got rid of floppy disks... but it turns out they were right!

Terrible comparison.
 
Tycho24, when Apple removes the headphone jack from the iPad, I will say "I told you so".

All I can say now.
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Terrible comparison.

Looking fwd to it!!!
Not expecting to hear from you for at least SEVERAL years. ;0)
 
I was so mad when they got rid of floppy disks... but it turns out they were right!

Anyone in the industry loathed the following regarding floppy disks:

1. small storage space
2. poor copy protection
3. not a reliable means to archive data
4. slow access speed
5. Shortly before Apple made its magical decision, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives had been out for a number of years, which offer certain benefits:
a. MUCH more storage potential
b. greater data integrity
c. faster access speed
d. copy protection somewhat easier but the industry had already found other means to bypass portable storage mechanisms
e. costs less to make a disc than a disk
f. sturdier, all things considered
g. weighs less, easier to mail


With technology of the time having all of these benefits and more, who couldn't see the demise? Even BIOS manufacturers were starting to abscond the FDD in favor of HDD- and in-OS-based update alternatives. Apple was nothing more than an early adopter of ditching the thing, or separating the drive as an expensive peripheral (Keep in mind, this is the same Apple that didn't sell a keyboard with its original Mac, as a hidden market tactic to quietly up net cost to the customer...) There is no genius or magic behind it. Just watching trends and having marketing prowess to wow the crowd with. Jim Jones would have been proud.
 
You better keep swimming or you'll sink like a stone for the times they are a changing!
I have one word for you young college graduates: wireless.
 
Security and privacy are not Apple's singular goal. They are also making computing devices that they think people will want to use.

So yes. If Apple were serious about protecting privacy and didn't care about anything else, then the rest of what you say would follow.

In some ways, Apple's goals are in conflict with each other. The most secure system would be self-contained, and walled off completely from the outside world. No cloud, no WiFi, no email, no messaging, no internet at all. But who would want such a system? (Darn few, to answer my own question.)

On the other hand, security and privacy are absolutely not, and cannot be, marketing BS as you call it. Every time Apple's privacy mechanisms get breached, Apple takes a PR hit, and people like you make sure that is the case.

In order to be an effective personal assistant, Siri needs to know a lot about you. But when Siri and Alexa and Cortana are sitting on the park bench by the playground, Siri also needs to be discrete. No gossiping about things you told Siri in confidence. And whatever records Siri keeps to stay on top of your busy schedule need to be kept safe, in case
Google Now comes snooping around her office, or PRISM or Echelon or GhostNet, for that matter.

You are working on the mistaken idea that privacy and security make devices less usable; they don't. Things such as client side encryption on iCloud, encrypted email, Apple having their own search engine that doesn't track you, and inbuilt VPNs could easily be implemented by Apple in a way that is largely invisible to the user. The reality is that Apple simply don't put these things in place, but instead are pushing users more and more toward storing their data in iCloud, a location that Apple have access to. This in itself poses serious questions about Apple's privacy policy.

Apple is using privacy as nothing more than a marketing tactic, and this is shown very clearly by their actions. All they are doing is telling the public what they want to hear, while simultaneously NOT doing what it would take to make their products secure and their user data fully protected. This creates a false sense of security among their users and puts their privacy policy very firmly into marketing BS - nothing more.
 
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Apple is using privacy as nothing more than a marketing tactic, and this is shown very clearly by their actions. All they are doing is telling the public what they want to hear, while simultaneously NOT doing what it would take to make their products secure and their user data fully protected. This creates a false sense of security among their users and puts their privacy policy very firmly into marketing BS - nothing more.
You really lose me when you say "nothing more" and "all they are doing". There is no nuance in your position. It's like me saying that you have no purpose in life other than to bash Apple. As emotionally satisfying as it would be for me to write those words, I realize they are not true. A quick glance at your posting history, I was hard-pressed to find a single positive thing you have ever said about Apple here. But I realize that you probably have a life outside your presence here.
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Anyone in the industry loathed the following regarding floppy disks:

1. small storage space
2. poor copy protection
3. not a reliable means to archive data
4. slow access speed
5. Shortly before Apple made its magical decision, CD-ROM and DVD-ROM drives had been out for a number of years, which offer certain benefits:
a. MUCH more storage potential
b. greater data integrity
c. faster access speed
d. copy protection somewhat easier but the industry had already found other means to bypass portable storage mechanisms
e. costs less to make a disc than a disk
f. sturdier, all things considered
g. weighs less, easier to mail


With technology of the time having all of these benefits and more, who couldn't see the demise? Even BIOS manufacturers were starting to abscond the FDD in favor of HDD- and in-OS-based update alternatives. Apple was nothing more than an early adopter of ditching the thing, or separating the drive as an expensive peripheral (Keep in mind, this is the same Apple that didn't sell a keyboard with its original Mac, as a hidden market tactic to quietly up net cost to the customer...) There is no genius or magic behind it. Just watching trends and having marketing prowess to wow the crowd with. Jim Jones would have been proud.
At the time of the change, what you said was cold comfort to users who had workflows that depended on floppy drives, or archives of data stored on floppy disk. They were outraged at having to buy a peripheral to access the data that their old computer could read via a built-in drive.

The same reaction could be seen when Apple began dropping the built-in optical drive from their computer lines.

I guess you could say there's no genius or magic behind Apple's decision to drop the 3.5mm audio jack from the iPhone. They just have a 10,000 foot view of the trends regarding mobile audio, and can see that wireless is the future (better than some customer driving a car new enough to have an AUX input to the stereo, but not new enough to have Bluetooth or a USB port).
 
". . . . best products . . . ."

I'm just not seeing it outside of the phone. Hey, Tim remember us computer users. We would like best products also, not just good enough to keep school children happy.
It has been forever since a Mac update, but I'd still buy one over some other PC.
 
Nah those are too young to vote. Go a little up.
Anthony Weiner is too young?
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Apple and security had become a bit of a job,e lately, iCloud accounts seem to be easy to hack, still.. And they selectively reduced the some of the security in iOS.

It's an area they seriously need to spend less time talking about and more time fixing IMO.

Kate Middleton's sister was in the papers last month because her iCloud account was hacked, and this is after the supposed fixes Apple put in place after all the other Hollywood stars had accounts hacked.

Yeah they most definitely need to be doing a lot more. I don't trust Apple and security at present.

It's not just Apple mate.
I've worked in data storage & netsec since 1997 and I'm telling you the last barriers fell around 2003, part due to things like the Patriot Act, but technology had made it just too easy to eavesdrop & circumvent any perceived barriers.

Snowden revealed most of it in 2014, but the private sector has been snooping even longer.
Why do you think the FBI didn't need Apple in the end to access that iPhone 5c ? My guess is, they went public with it to distract from the fact that they had already crack'd it and to create the illusion that privacy still exists and therefore criminals will trust it.

Make no mistake, VPN & tor networks do NOT obscure your tracks as much as you think. It's a minor inconvenience for those willing to pay for access to your keystrokes.
Someone will come along in a few years or sooner and make even bigger revelations.

iCloud account hacking? lol. yawn.

This may be old hat advice, but never write anything on the net that you wouldn't write on the front page of a newspaper, including your emails.
 
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oh my word what nonsense. apple is one of the few companies that doesn't manage to its stock price. they stood up for their customers to the FBI. and they're also the biggest taxpayer in the US. what you're confused about is overseas earnings which don't need to be paid to the IRS is paid to an overseas state, as they're doing. the US and EU are just butthurt about it since they aren't getting a piece.

really, to suggest cook manages to he stock price just shows how completely ignorant you are about apple. it's comic.

Did they really stand up too the FBI or were the stories fabricated to make one think they did? Paying taxes, probably in the same boat as all the other big conglomerates "Yes we pay taxes, after our attorneys and accountants" tell the IRS what we will and will not pay.
 
why anyone even bothers to listen to tim cook anymore is a mystery to me. Its either, "enrich peoples lifes" or "truly magical" or something else that is completely repetitive and doesn't mean anything. Hardly any word coming from his mouth has actually given me any insight and you wont get any hints on what they are up to. Honestly I think everyone that has watched him talk knows exactly what he will say for every question hes being asked. Yawn!
 
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Lol, the amount Apple makes from bt headphone sales is probably like one tenth of one percent of how much they make selling replacement lighting cables or something like that... it's not even possible to compare it to something like iOS device sales.
Can we just spend some time in reality please??
You are "certain" of NOTHING... you have a wild, anger-fueled theory that is nonsensical at best.
I laid out a clear, intelligent, thoughtful, & informative opinion of why it would not make sense to drop the headphone jack on the iPad. You have a baseless accusation as a reply! Btw, if you think a lot of people are out buying headphones- only for their iPads... & that is somehow a huge market, I literally have no idea what to say to you.
I invite you to think your position through more thoroughly, and minus the emotion.
There is nothing baseless about what he said. It's based on Apple's history. Seems like your reaction is the one that's fueled by anger.
 
There is nothing baseless about what he said. It's based on Apple's history. Seems like your reaction is the one that's fueled by anger.

Herp de derp.
Good one!!! =)

No wait.

Baseless- when you say something silly like: "Apple would LOVE to anger people by dropping headphone jack with ZERO upside benefits to point out, like the ones they gave on the iPhone.... and lose customers & profits from sales, all to make a very, very, very, very, very teeny amount on the few people that not only would buy one, but then would also buy a special set of "iPad only" headphones for themselves.".
That is so ludicrous, you may as well claim: "Apple hates money!", or "Apple would trade a $50 bill to you for your $10 bill; they are that stupid!".

NOT baseless- thinking hard & saying something that makes sense like: "of COURSE Apple lost some customers by dropping the headphone jack. It was a risky move... they REALLY had to build the value up- (put an extra two hours battery & make water resistant) to justify it & draw customers back in that might have been put off.
LOGICALLY.... if they could not offer two more hours battery life on iPad w/ that little bit of extra room, because the battery in it is so much larger, and the fact that people don't accidentally drop their iPads in the toilet, get caught out in inclement weather with them, nor get pushed into pools while they're in their pockets- there would be NOTHING to offset the lost sales."

See.... here's the problem:
We both agree on one thing- Apple is about that $... and wants the MOST!
Just, the way I describe it- they'd actually get that.
The way you describe it; they'd LOSE a ton of money.
You are NOT thinking about it rationally. You just aren't.

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Please show me in Apple's history when they've given up money & sales, and angered people for NO REASON whatsoever. No gain. No benefit. Simply none.
I boldly contest that assertion!
 
why anyone even bothers to listen to tim cook anymore is a mystery to me. Its either, "enrich peoples lifes" or "truly magical" or something else that is completely repetitive and doesn't mean anything. Hardly any word coming from his mouth has actually given me any insight and you wont get any hints on what they are up to. Honestly I think everyone that has watched him talk knows exactly what he will say for every question hes being asked. Yawn!

For the sake of "magical", it does mean something. Unfortunately, the meaning is "dumb down the audience" since what is "magical" also tends to control and guide the user to what its makers want to do. Now that's certainly not true for every product in every industry, but for Apple it's not a far fetched notion.

Indeed, modern day customers must have the IQ somewhere between the range of 30 and 50 that Apple's commercials all treat them accordingly, right down to patronizing about how the thing works despite all us already knowing how and combined with truly tacky music whose sole point is to make a customer feel like they're being slapped in the face:


The one thing that advert does not slap people in the head with, and this is somewhat ironic - oddly - is that the point is the iPad is now the "computer". That probably explains why iThings get more attention by the company - all praise the Company - and why the Macs and Macbooks have been languishing and with archaic hardware at exorbitantly overpriced prices, to the point even the latest Linux distribution supports modern hardware better and - gasp - remove that Mac's cover and, oh my goshies, it's the same cheap off-the-shelf Intel hardware in a glorified under-performing chassis! A lot of MacOS X is reprogrammed FreeBSD anyhow but I'd love to see an average user pop in a disc and do an install of FreeBSD, which is a lot easier to do nowadays than 20 years ago...
 
Thanks for confirming your age.

I don't know what that means....
But, it looks like you are suspended anyway.

If you come back less combative, I'd love to have a REAL (non-insulting) discussion any time.
I've seen you around here since your avatar was the Guy Fawkes mask... I KNOW that you have insightful things to share, without lashing out for whatever reason.
Call it a "do-over" & we'll go from there.
No hard feelings.
 
That is not correct. Once the message is delivered and confirmed delivered....there is no longer a need to store anything relating to metadata. There is zero need at all to store anything once a message is delivered. There is actually zero reasons to store locations at all.
Yes, once a message is delivered and confirmed. I was talking about before that happens.

But you're wrong. Apple has to store metadata in order to troubleshoot and fix bugs. it would be impossible to fix synchronization issues such as the Android messages disappearing if there were no metadata to track the messages sent or recieved.
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You might want to have a look at the ignorance behind your own comments. Client side encryption, VPNs, and email with end to end encryption are nothing new, but they have been done by companies that actually do provide GENUINE privacy and security for user data. Apple is NOT one of these companies, and have little real concern about protecting user data beyond using this as a marketing tactic to sell products. Fortunately, more and more people are seeing through the lies of the Apple marketing machine to what the company is really like.
Yeah at this rate everyone jumping the Apple ship because of their privacy/security lies will...oh wait, they're selling more products and growing their customer base everyday. Meanwhile, Google is allegedly granting US govt access to their devices in exchange for immunity from anti-trust charges.
 
Yes, once a message is delivered and confirmed. I was talking about before that happens.

But you're wrong. Apple has to store metadata in order to troubleshoot and fix bugs. it would be impossible to fix synchronization issues such as the Android messages disappearing if there were no metadata to track the messages sent or recieved.
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Yeah at this rate everyone jumping the Apple ship because of their privacy/security lies will...oh wait, they're selling more products and growing their customer base everyday. Meanwhile, Google is allegedly granting US govt access to their devices in exchange for immunity from anti-trust charges.
You are missing the point. They don't have to store it, they choose to for diagnostics (according to you).
 
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