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Tim Cook to Apple Employees: "Apple is Not Going to Change"
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Well said - I hope that by Monday we never see another "Tim Cook is gay" post. Whatever he does in the role, it's unlikely that his private passions are involved in any way.
The "ostrich approach" to discussions. Don't think, just bury your head in the sand.
At least she implies a third gender.
That's a start, now we can work on the idea of sexuality and gender identity and gender expression as a continuum.
It's not "A" or "Z" - it's "A" through "Z" and many convoluted nuances therein.
I'm interested hearing how Tim plans to run the company. That is all I care about. The rest of you can obsess all you want but take it somewhere else. I don't care if you are pro-gay, anti-gay or neutral. Take it elsewhere.
I'm sick of hearing about it. I don't see straight people talking about their exploits or interests in the opposite sex at every opportunity.
Professionals should act like professionals regardless of what interests them in the bedroom. That belongs outside of the office. Period, full stop. No exceptions for anyone.
Got it? Shut up already. Get over yourselves.
I'm sick of hearing about it. I don't see straight people talking about their exploits or interests in the opposite sex at every opportunity.
Professionals should act like professionals regardless of what interests them in the bedroom. That belongs outside of the office. Period, full stop. No exceptions for anyone.
Got it? Shut up already. Get over yourselves.
It's there, but you "don't see" it because it's so pervasive. Consider the MR member with the handle "MacBoobs" - pretty much in your face (although MacBoobs could be a lesbian)....
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You may not realize that, but you're basically wishing that Apple dies.
Enterprise IT is the graveyard of innovation: slow adoption of new products, viewing price as the alpha and omega of a purchasing decision (instead of truly high quality, which always comes with a price-tag), software development centered on a ****load of functionality (that most people won't use) rather than a brilliant user-experience and so on and so forth...
You may have your valid reasons to view Apple products as toys (I don't personally) but remember that those "toys" are what made Apple Apple, the second most valuable company in the world.
Only a totally dumb CEO would want to do what you're suggesting. Fortunately, Tim Cook seems to be a bright man and his statements suggest he's not going that road.
Good look to the guy, hope he takes the company int he right direction
also I Can't believe the massive debate going on about the fact he is "gay", Can't you just treat him as an equal instead of trying to "defend" or "attack" gay people :roll eyes: . It seems people just want to debate it for the kicks.
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It seems i always seem to agree with your views Couldn't agree any more, why did people even mention the fact he is gay? does it even matter?
also I Can't believe the massive debate going on about the fact he is "gay", Can't you just treat him as an equal instead of trying to "defend" or "attack" gay people :roll eyes: . It seems people just want to debate it for the kicks.
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It seems i always seem to agree with your views
Couldn't agree any more, why did people even mention the fact he is gay? does it even matter?
Ah refreshing... some real discussion.
While I do agree with you that Apple should not get into Enterprise IT, I don't think it would kill them per se. Not if they continue their consumer products like they always have.
However, Apple can't be successful at IT. They have showed us so in the past. They just don't get how it works.
Or it's actually the birthplace of many of the innovations to make it to consumer market. Smartphones, mobility, cloud computing (thin client computing actually), storage technologies, push for higher specs, rich web applications, etc... etc...
Frankly, that's a bit of a misunderstanding. IT works of long term upgrades, but when they do upgrade, they usually jump to new stuff. That's been my experience. It just sticks with what works longer (frankly, there's no reason to upgrade something that works, especially when upgrading means some big architectural changes. We're not a consumer with a single PC, we have hundreds if not thousands of servers/desktops/laptops to manage).
This one is frankly in Apple's favor. They are slow to update their products, which is a boon for IT. Purchases can be stretched out and you still get a monoculture of devices that are easy to manage and easy to fix. IT purchases special models from HP/Lenovo/Dell that are basically garanteed to be hardware identical even if the purchases are made several months apart (as far as desktop/laptops go at least, server is a different story, but similar).
Now I know you've never worked in enterprise IT or worked in some very poor shops.
The alpha and omega of a purchasing decision in IT is not price. It is requirements. Then once requirements are established, you shop for the best price that fills those requirements.
Trust me, we have way higher quality hardware/software than what even Apple ships running in our data centers. It might not be made of unibody aluminium chassises and it may not be quiet, but it can run 24/7 at full load for months on end without burning out (except Sun SCSI hard drives... wow are those ever ****).
Again : requirements. Enterprise IT in-house development work is done based on customer requirements. User interface and experience rank low because the time to get it right is often quite longer than the training time required for something that works.
Why waste a programmer's time that's best spent implementing and Q&Aing a business requirement with trivial interface details when you can simply train the users and use the time spent doing so as a tax deducation ?
Apple is good at what they do : consumer products. One other thing you've left out that don't quite jive with Apple's culture as far as Enterprise IT goes :
Roadmaps.
Apple doesn't do roadmaps. Enterprise IT likes roadmaps. If you're going to plan for a year to implement a new system, you want to plan ahead of time so as not to be out-of-date when your new system hits production. That requires planning around roadmaps rather than actual shipping products. Kinda takes a dump all over that pesky secrecy thing.
While I do agree with you that Apple should not get into Enterprise IT, I don't think it would kill them per se. Not if they continue their consumer products like they always have.
However, Apple can't be successful at IT. They have showed us so in the past. They just don't get how it works.
Or it's actually the birthplace of many of the innovations to make it to consumer market. Smartphones, mobility, cloud computing (thin client computing actually), storage technologies, push for higher specs, rich web applications, etc... etc...
Frankly, that's a bit of a misunderstanding. IT works of long term upgrades, but when they do upgrade, they usually jump to new stuff. That's been my experience. It just sticks with what works longer (frankly, there's no reason to upgrade something that works, especially when upgrading means some big architectural changes. We're not a consumer with a single PC, we have hundreds if not thousands of servers/desktops/laptops to manage).
This one is frankly in Apple's favor. They are slow to update their products, which is a boon for IT. Purchases can be stretched out and you still get a monoculture of devices that are easy to manage and easy to fix. IT purchases special models from HP/Lenovo/Dell that are basically garanteed to be hardware identical even if the purchases are made several months apart (as far as desktop/laptops go at least, server is a different story, but similar).
Now I know you've never worked in enterprise IT or worked in some very poor shops.
The alpha and omega of a purchasing decision in IT is not price. It is requirements. Then once requirements are established, you shop for the best price that fills those requirements.
Trust me, we have way higher quality hardware/software than what even Apple ships running in our data centers.
It might not be made of unibody aluminium chassises and it may not be quiet, but it can run 24/7 at full load for months on end without burning out (except Sun SCSI hard drives... wow are those ever ****).Again : requirements. Enterprise IT in-house development work is done based on customer requirements. User interface and experience rank low because the time to get it right is often quite longer than the training time required for something that works.
Why waste a programmer's time that's best spent implementing and Q&Aing a business requirement with trivial interface details when you can simply train the users and use the time spent doing so as a tax deducation ?
Apple is good at what they do : consumer products. One other thing you've left out that don't quite jive with Apple's culture as far as Enterprise IT goes :
Roadmaps.
Apple doesn't do roadmaps. Enterprise IT likes roadmaps. If you're going to plan for a year to implement a new system, you want to plan ahead of time so as not to be out-of-date when your new system hits production. That requires planning around roadmaps rather than actual shipping products. Kinda takes a dump all over that pesky secrecy thing.
Hmm... Sounds a bit fruity to me.
In all seriousness, it won't change the way I view Apple if their new CEO is or isn't gay. I'm personally one who chooses not to go that route, but that's my choice. The more gay men there are running around, the better the chance of me finding an attractive woman who isn't taken
In all seriousness, it won't change the way I view Apple if their new CEO is or isn't gay. I'm personally one who chooses not to go that route, but that's my choice. The more gay men there are running around, the better the chance of me finding an attractive woman who isn't taken
race, sex or creed mean nothing. You judge a person on their actions.
If he wasn't up to it, Steve wouldn't have recommended him!
If he wasn't up to it, Steve wouldn't have recommended him!
This is about the most worthless tangent I've seen here on MacRumors. The thread is not titled "Tim Cook may be gay. Your thoughts?".
This thread is about Tim Cook's announcement that Apple is not going to change, and I already have tried to steer the conversation back to something worthwhile - the Keynote speeches, which obviously will be changing. That's the kind of conversation we need to get back to. How about one of you create a "Tim Cook may be gay" thread if you wish to talk about that? Now let's get back on topic about how/where Apple changes from here, shall we?
I think Jonathan Ive would be a great selection to continue the Keynote speeches with, rather than Tim Cook. Ive is a bit more suited for on-stage tech demos/rollouts than Tim Cook's personality may allow for himself. Apple SHOULD continue the Keynotes--they provide a personalized, clear direction for Apple that no other company has rivaled, which is one of the major factors that has endeared people to Apple. Don't you think?
This thread is about Tim Cook's announcement that Apple is not going to change, and I already have tried to steer the conversation back to something worthwhile - the Keynote speeches, which obviously will be changing. That's the kind of conversation we need to get back to. How about one of you create a "Tim Cook may be gay" thread if you wish to talk about that? Now let's get back on topic about how/where Apple changes from here, shall we?
I think Jonathan Ive would be a great selection to continue the Keynote speeches with, rather than Tim Cook. Ive is a bit more suited for on-stage tech demos/rollouts than Tim Cook's personality may allow for himself. Apple SHOULD continue the Keynotes--they provide a personalized, clear direction for Apple that no other company has rivaled, which is one of the major factors that has endeared people to Apple. Don't you think?
I don't see things changing, intact i reckon cook has been "the boss" for a while not, it's just that steve has been a face lately I reckon. Which is natural considering his health.
But this does not change a thing, steve thankfully has set up a strong/intelligence/experience team of designers/engineers and business men who will no doubt in my mind will push in the same direction.
Apple is not steven jobs and steve jobs is not apple, why? thankfully steve has gathered (like i said) a team of talented individuals.
But this does not change a thing, steve thankfully has set up a strong/intelligence/experience team of designers/engineers and business men who will no doubt in my mind will push in the same direction.
Apple is not steven jobs and steve jobs is not apple, why? thankfully steve has gathered (like i said) a team of talented individuals.
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I thought I read somewhere in one of the other threads that Steve will still be doing the Keynotes for the time being. Not sure where that information was gathered from or it's validity. But I don't see that as an impossibility if he feels up to it and feels healthy enough.
Has Ive ever been on-stage during a Keynote? I'm honestly asking because I know I have missed a few and I do not recall ever seeing him there (besides maybe in a Facetime chat or something?), but I think it would be neat to see him up there.
It would be great to still see Steve seal the deal (Keynotes); Ive actually has been up on stage - he's the one who introduced the Unibody mechinism in the new MacBooks back in 2008, it's on YouTube, easy to Google for it.
He brings you into the technology a la Steve, intrigues you with it, enthusiasts you about it. Good stuff, definitely. Would be awesome to still have Steve though.
He brings you into the technology a la Steve, intrigues you with it, enthusiasts you about it. Good stuff, definitely. Would be awesome to still have Steve though.
No it shouldn't be a major milestone and I wouldn't personally have mentioned it. However as a side issue it is worth some discussion: to be liberal and progressive is not to denounce the person that points out the event. We live in a time of continuing prejudice (diminished though it may be), however the liberal that does not publically discuss success is leaving a world open and vulnerable to those that would decry such an event and celebrate its opposite. Only stop commending such sucesses when their opposition is counter to the very fabric of the culture: the lack of abuse of a young poor child in many countries need not be mentioned because it is normal (although that could not be said 100 years ago).
Back to the discussion: I found Tim Cook's message touching and extremely genuine. I think Steve may well have found and moulded a great successor - yet another of his tremendous achievements.
I am looking forward to Apple with Tim at the helm. If Steve Jobs trusts Tim as his successor that's all that matters.
Thank you Steve for everything.
Now it's time to look forward to more great things on the horizon with Apple's new boss and most powerful man in Silicon Valley!
P.S. I wonder when the "Tim Cook says Blu-ray is a bag of hurt" thread will debut.
Thank you Steve for everything.
Now it's time to look forward to more great things on the horizon with Apple's new boss and most powerful man in Silicon Valley!
P.S. I wonder when the "Tim Cook says Blu-ray is a bag of hurt" thread will debut.
Four highlights about Cook that make me optimistic about Apple's future:
1) Experience - Read his résumé. This gentleman, other than having been instrumental at Apple during its entire turnaround, has a keen understanding of the importance of the various channels a successful company needs to constantly be monitoring; a talent he's perfected over decades in big business. Just as Steve shut down the money-losing Mac clone licensing and simplified the customer-befuddling model lines when he took over, Cook's background lends himself to this type of thinking.
2) Education - Besides having an impressive MBA, Cook is also an engineer. Understanding the complexities in the technology industry will be indispensable when providing feedback to Ives, Mansfield and Forstall about the next great thing they are working on. Also, as Steve points out, you avoid having "the sales guy" running the business (think Business Week October 12, 2004).
3) Driven - Interviews about the very personal Cook reflect a guy who is often one of the first to get to the office and the last one to turn off the lights when he leaves. He's very much like the kind of CEO that responds personally to customer emails in the middle of the night. That lead by example mentality in a CEO inspires fellow employees to strive to do their best work.
4) Approval - He's been groomed for the position by Steve Jobs. 'Nuff said.
1) Experience - Read his résumé. This gentleman, other than having been instrumental at Apple during its entire turnaround, has a keen understanding of the importance of the various channels a successful company needs to constantly be monitoring; a talent he's perfected over decades in big business. Just as Steve shut down the money-losing Mac clone licensing and simplified the customer-befuddling model lines when he took over, Cook's background lends himself to this type of thinking.
2) Education - Besides having an impressive MBA, Cook is also an engineer. Understanding the complexities in the technology industry will be indispensable when providing feedback to Ives, Mansfield and Forstall about the next great thing they are working on. Also, as Steve points out, you avoid having "the sales guy" running the business (think Business Week October 12, 2004).
3) Driven - Interviews about the very personal Cook reflect a guy who is often one of the first to get to the office and the last one to turn off the lights when he leaves. He's very much like the kind of CEO that responds personally to customer emails in the middle of the night. That lead by example mentality in a CEO inspires fellow employees to strive to do their best work.
4) Approval - He's been groomed for the position by Steve Jobs. 'Nuff said.
I have a nagging worry, though...
I hope that the recent penchant of Apple for competing with litigation rather than innovation isn't connected with the fact that Cook is running the show now.
I hope that the recent penchant of Apple for competing with litigation rather than innovation isn't connected with the fact that Cook is running the show now.
NON-STANDARD !!!
What the ***k! There are standard and non-standard humans beings?!. Is that like normal and abnormal? OK and not OK?
Please delineate the variables which constitute "standard".
I need to know so I can avoid those non-standards. Ick!
(Must.....not.......bite. *grinding teeth* Temptation.....so.....great.)
Whew! It passed.
BTW, great avatar! +1! Rocking it old skool?
Rocking it old skool?
Not quite, the old Apple logo was multi-colored, but not rainbow.