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Tim Cook to Speak at LOVELOUD Festival This Saturday
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What discrimination? Tim Cook is going to an event to speak on stage as a private citizen, on his own time. Nothing to do with his corporate duties.
Even then, where has Apple been discriminating against the straights?
Positive discrimination in one direction is negative discrimination in another. It's not about LGBTQ per se, but about any oppressed minority. Unfortunately I don't have time to write a long reply but if you take any difference eg: the rich/poor divide. Sometimes identifying and defining the two divisions promotes their existence and therefore increases the animosity between them rather than increasing tolerance. This can be intentional, such as when agitating for revolution, or unintentional. I personally think the factory workers (and their families) making Apple products are in a worse position, and could do with a bit of PR, but that's just my opinion.
Yeah, that's not true. Even a little.
We currently live in a society that is geared towards and owned by white cis people, specifically white cis males. Your argument requires that we accept a premise that involves all things being equal. Things are not equal. And they won't ever be equal as long as the group that's owned the whole pie keeps insisting that allowing others access to it means *they're* being discriminated against.
Just hazarding a guess here, but you must be one of those who said or implied that more white people getting more racist during Obama’s presidency was the fault of the black man in the White House. The argument is strikingly similar.
He's right. Discrimination in one direction directly requires discrimination in the other.
What is it you're after? Equal rights, or equal outcome?
I can get behind the first (I suspect nearly everyone would), but absolutely not the second.
Women are the majority voter block anyways so they can effectively dominate all forms of politics if they were a homogeneous group rather than a demographic.
Easy. Because it’s that community that is trying to defend itself against discrimination and murder for sport. By definition, straight folks are not part of that community, as right as it is to support it. They’re alongside it. You don’t have to be part of a group to be it’s supporter. One doesn’t have to be LGBTQ to be an ally, just as one doesn’t have to be black to oppose racism or Jewish to oppose anti-Semitism.
If you include everyone in a subgroup, there is no subgroup, and the distinguishing characteristic that needs support disappears. Maybe that’ll work some day (“Imagine all the people livin’ for today...”) but not yet.
"Tim Cook joining us in Utah for LOVELOUD sends a clear message to LGBTQ youth that they have unlimited potential to achieve their dreams," said Reynolds.
Is there a huge movement I'm unaware of in the west keeping LGBTQ youth back form achieving their goals?
Is there a huge movement I'm unaware of in the west keeping LGBTQ youth back form achieving their goals?
Apple is far more interested in social engineering than hardware engineering.
Depends on the outcome. A gay person applying for a marriage license should have the same outcome as a cis person.
Women are not the group that dominates the levers of power in our country. White cis men do.
"Oh that's right – because it's good for their brand and marketing"
This is true. Gay is mainstream. Don't think so? Major, major American companies were falling all over themselves in June to put rainbows and rainbow flags in their ads and marketing material. Hint---corporate America does not trip over itself to uplift the downtrodden---it does so to pander to "hip" groups and, in the case of many gays, disposable incomes.
Personally, I do not care. I do kind of laugh a little and feel bad for the gays who say to themselves "why are they grouping us in with these transgender weirdos? What did we do to deserve this?"
What? I’m happy to stand with trans people and help fight for their rights just as, for decades, they helped fight for mine as a gay man. And despite knowing quite a few other folks in the LGBTQ community, I also don’t really know anyone who feels the way you describe…
. I know a lot of gays that cannot stand being lumped in with them.
But this is how the sexual revolution from the 60's goes. It....never....ends. There will always be another group that feels or claims to be oppressed and there will always be people that feel they are on the side of "right" by "standing with them."
Yeah, Trans, the new "civil right." Exactly like Selma, Rosa Parks, etc. Gimme a break. Less than 1% of the population and now we're encouraging pre-pubescents to mutilate themselves because they feel like a little boy when in fact they are a little girl.
Exactly how I feel about where this has all got to, and I’m straight. I’ve known a few gay people and I think they feel the same way too.
But I think your living in the UK too? From what I’ve seen on here in America for instance they don’t have the same attitudes as we do to sexual orientation and it’s still a bit backwards in their mentality.
I still don’t get this gender natural rubbish though, it seems to be getting forced onto young children weather they like it or not over any other minority sexual orientation, all that does is upset parents and doesn’t make them any more understanding or sympathetic on the topic.
I also don’t understand the mentality of allowing minors to have sex change treatments! They carry big health risks as I understand yet some countries have allowed it, that’s ignoring the morality question of 9 year olds changing their sex, I believe it’s safest to be done after pubity? This path being taken only soils the minority group in the majorities eyes.
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Get him the H E LL out of Apple. He wants to sjw then do it on his own time and quit neglecting the Macs and improve the ****** software. He wants to grandstand and play "Look at me!! I'm doing a good!" he can do it all he wants. Apple needs a CEO who's all about making great products rather than this clown who's more concerned with making feel-good points
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Yes I live in the UK. You are right that the attitudes here are a lot different to what they are in the US, and I understand it is a very sensitive subject in some parts of the US. I do notice a lot more people in the UK just don't care as long as you don't cross boundaries. And quite frankly, I feel the same about this. I have many friends who are also gay and the one thing we never do is cross boundaries. Why? Well, would you cross boundaries with your female friends? I am just as uncomfortable as a straight guy when someone randomly tries it on – it's no different! Yes, these are awkward conversations to have, but people need to understand there are no differences here except which gender people find attractive. Most gay people have the same standards as most straight people, with the usual exceptions on both sides. You know, I'm gay and I don't like people that have a camp personality. Is that a crime? No, it's just my opinion. I have friends who are camp, and sure I don't like it, but they are still my friends.
Regarding gender reassignment: I realise this is highly contentious. Personally, I do not support parents allowing their children to have gender reassignment surgery under any circumstances until their son or daughter is absolutely certain they are confident with who they want to be. If it was my kid, I would make them wait until they are passed puberty until I'd even remotely entertain the idea of gender reassignment surgery. That's not to say I wouldn't allow them to change their name or wear whatever they feel comfortable in, but surgery is life altering and you need to be certain that's who you want to be. Other than that, I don't think anyone can realistically stop someone who wants to change their gender no matter how contentious the subject is. I personally find it strange for someone to want to change gender, but that's because I'm not transgender and so I can't understand the thought process behind it. I have a friend who changed from a woman to a man – and sure, I found it strange now looking at her as a man, sounding like a man, dressing like a man – it's an adjustment period, but they are still the same person, still a friend of mine. And that's more important to me. I have the right to hold an opinion, but that doesn't change the value of my friendship.
The one thing I really disapprove of are correction facilities. I believe they still exist in some areas of the USA and certainly other countries around the world. It really concerns me because it can cause long-term psychological damage to people, especially if someone is religious and then subjected to suggestive hypnosis to suppress their sexuality. I know some parents send their children to these correction facilities and that I absolutely condemn and deplore. That is physically harming someone for who they are and I cannot tolerate that under any circumstances. That's where I draw the line and I absolutely support legislation to stop it. If you want to go to a correction facility yourself and you choose of your own will, that's one thing (and not that it would help) – but to force your own child to go to a correction facility is unforgivable.
Yes I don't quite understand that either, and to be honest I would be as angry as any other parent if I were straight and had kids. I know a recent Disney children's programme were showing two male characters kissing, and that I disagree with profusely. To have two same-sex couples kissing on TV programmes designed for teenangers and adults is one thing, but children? Get the f*** out. They are children for f*** sake. It's just not right and quite frankly, shameful.
Pray tell, precisely how is a same-sex couple kissing on television different from a heterosexual couple kissing on television?
Do you feel as if you’d immediately need to explain to a 5-year-old the intricacies of gay sex or something? Because you don’t.
3% of the population is gay (if that). I think many, many straight people have a biological aversion to watching people of the same sex make out. Even people in favor of same sex relationships get grossed out. Doesn’t make them a bigot.
I guess you’d like to force the bigot to bake the cake, though.
I don’t think anyone was talking about making out—not sure how that’d make it to air on Disney Channel, straight or gay. I don’t like watching anyone else make out regardless of the genders of those involved.
But up to a short kiss on the lips—something that would air on Disney? Who cares? Doesn’t bother me for straight people.
Nah, I’d happily take my business elsewhere. Depending on how I was treated, I’d possibly encourage others to do the same, but that goes for any service. If you’re expecting me to grovel at the feet of people who don’t view me as just as much of a human as they are, though, sorry to disappoint.
Rights should be universal, but that's clearly not what you had meant by "outcome" in your OP.
Those "white cis men" are controlled by the electorate, which is majority female.
Not to sound mean but sometimes it seems Tim is more involved in personal philanthropy than actual Apple related business.
They NEVER do and never will if it's a view you disagree with or one with which they champion
Yeah! Like when people get grossed out by interracial couples! No one wants to see that crap! And it doesn't rmake them racist either, cause a lot of them love the NBA!
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You don't seem fsmiliar with how our country actually works. First sign is that you're under the impression that the levers of power I'm referring to are all political.
Oh, and allow me to really blow your mind: there are plenty of groups that voted against their own interest because of ingrained societal training. Cause our society is owned by white cis men.
Now bring up Obama or Oprah to drive home the point that you REALLY don't understand what either of us is talking about.
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