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Tim Cook: Users Who Want to Sideload Apps Can Use Android, While the iPhone Experience Maximizes 'Security and Privacy'
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I call BS.
1. Apple is trying to suppress technology by preventing people from making powerful apps (such as virtualization). They just deny those apps on the App Store, and then incrementally implement those apps as features within iOS.
2. Apple doesn't care about privacy. It's shown this time and time again, when it was very open to leaving backdoors open for governments, until it was publicly shamed into patching vulnerabilities. They also wanted to have iPhones to scan every photo of yours with an all-in or all-out option, leaving another backdoor open for governments in which they would be expanding said service as well as the fact that government agencies can sending data which can cause a hash collision and get access.
3. Apple only cares about money at this point, and care less and less about consumers. FFS They charge $200 for upgrading SSD from 256GB to 512GB (or 512GB to 1TB), when the actual price difference on the drive is about $15 (less for OEMs). Then they solder the SSD on because they don't want consumers to upgrade down the road to increase longevity of their computers (while claiming they care about the environment). in4 "But its to save mah space"...NVME sockets use a negligible amount of space.
Do you really think they'd give up their largest stream of revenue?
They'll spin this in any way they can. If Apple cares about transparency and privacy, at the very least, Apple could allow people to paste a GitHub link to compile and install the app on their phone that way.
Do you honestly believe that Apple was ok with DolphiniOS being able to run the entire Gamecube/Wii library flawlessly on their phone? If the average person found out how to install Dolphin on iOS, they'd never buy a crappy iOS game again. This is the reason why apple disabled JIT.
1. Apple is trying to suppress technology by preventing people from making powerful apps (such as virtualization). They just deny those apps on the App Store, and then incrementally implement those apps as features within iOS.
2. Apple doesn't care about privacy. It's shown this time and time again, when it was very open to leaving backdoors open for governments, until it was publicly shamed into patching vulnerabilities. They also wanted to have iPhones to scan every photo of yours with an all-in or all-out option, leaving another backdoor open for governments in which they would be expanding said service as well as the fact that government agencies can sending data which can cause a hash collision and get access.
3. Apple only cares about money at this point, and care less and less about consumers. FFS They charge $200 for upgrading SSD from 256GB to 512GB (or 512GB to 1TB), when the actual price difference on the drive is about $15 (less for OEMs). Then they solder the SSD on because they don't want consumers to upgrade down the road to increase longevity of their computers (while claiming they care about the environment). in4 "But its to save mah space"...NVME sockets use a negligible amount of space.
Do you really think they'd give up their largest stream of revenue?
They'll spin this in any way they can. If Apple cares about transparency and privacy, at the very least, Apple could allow people to paste a GitHub link to compile and install the app on their phone that way.
Do you honestly believe that Apple was ok with DolphiniOS being able to run the entire Gamecube/Wii library flawlessly on their phone? If the average person found out how to install Dolphin on iOS, they'd never buy a crappy iOS game again. This is the reason why apple disabled JIT.
Allow sideloading but make it an option only power users would ever discover and use.
Youre grandma would have to go deep into the phone settings to 'opt in' to sideloading.
No way she would, or could do that, so problem solved.
Then you could move on to be overly scared about some other horrible thing in the world and the rest of us would have much more freedom and flexibility to use our phones as we wish
Why do you think Epic is also suing Google? Their complaint is that side loading on Android is too difficult.
Jesus H, remember these are tools for people to use. They have incredibly powerful processors now that people can use for millions of things. In the name of security you want to castrate these incredible machines.
Its like putting a giant soft rubber sheath on a hammer. Sure it makes it 'safer' to use, but reduces its usability.
Seems like people like you will accept ANY additional security no matter how much capability is lost.
I say there is a balance. And I fall on the side that sideloading can be done in a way that strikes a reasonable balance
I say there ought to be choice. Right now, there is --- if you want a less secure, but more 'power-user" friendly phone, choose Android. If you want a more secure, more "lifestyle device" friendly phone, choose iPhone. When I want to get work done, I turn to a desktop OS, not my phone.
I do agree with your last statement. But the main reason we cant get 'real' work done on a phone or ipad, is that the OS has been castrated
No, the real reason is that people don't do work on their phones (at least, the type of work that they do on desktop OS) -- it's an inappropriate platform for these tasks. Just because the processor is powerful-enough to run a full-fledged terminal, doesn't mean I would develop software on my phone.
They are a monopoly in the sense that you can only use their operating systems on their hardware and they can make both as restrictive as they want. If you want to use either, you gotta be prepared to deal with the ever-increasing limitations.
Sure. They're called building and zoning codes, which help keep homes from catching fire, and your neighbors from running toxic waste dumps and brothels. Or blasting rap at 150 DB at midnight.
100% of the outage I see about iOS sideloading, all the "walled garden" indignation, is about egos. My iPhone does everything I need it to do as-is -- and more.
Like Tim said, if the product doesn't meet your needs^H^H^H^Hego, if your life is dominated by megalomania, go buy Android. There is not a phone monopoly.
I agree with him. I don't use Android because i see all the garbage my friends go through on a pretty regular basis with updates, installing or bricking, etc. Sure, there are cheat to the system, but they are just that - cheats. You can't say "oh it is already happening when you change everything..." and still keep the same level of argument about security... I mean, you CAN drive a car without tires, but is it safe?
Amid a heightened amount of scrutiny and tension surrounding the App Store and how users download and install apps on the iPhone, Apple CEO Tim Cook said today that customers who wish to sideload apps should consider purchasing an Android device as the experience offered by the iPhone maximizes their security and privacy.
Speaking at The New York Times "DealBook" summit, Cook said that customers currently already have a choice between wanting a secure and protected platform or an ecosystem that allows for sideloading. "I think that people have that choice today, Andrew. If you want to sideload, you can buy an Android phone." Cook drew the comparison of sideloading to a carmaker selling a car without airbags or seatbelt, saying it would be "too risky."
Sideloading, which would allow users to download and install apps directly onto their iPhone from the open internet, has become a hot topic in recent months, with Cook now weighing in. Earlier this week, Apple's senior vice president of software engineering, Craig Federighi, said that sideloading is a "cybercriminal's best friend," highlighting the dangers that may be presented to customers if offered the freedom to install apps from anywhere on the web.
In a paper published in October, Apple shared some facts about the security and privacy of the iPhone compared to the Android ecosystem. In the paper, Apple said that studies have shown that Android smartphones have been attacked by mobile malware between 15 and 47 times more than malware targeting the iPhone. "This is closely linked to sideloading," the paper added.
Speaking generally on privacy, Cook was questioned on recent reporting revealing that Facebook, Google, Snapchat, and others have lost almost $10 billion in revenue this year due to Apple's App Tracking Transparency prompt, which requires developers to ask for a user's consent before tracking them. Declining to comment on the specific numbers, Cook did repeat that Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right.
Apple is in multiple investigations and battles around the world regarding the App Store, with the one most likely to produce drastic change being South Korea. Last month, the country passed new rules prohibiting platform owners from limiting developers to using only a single payment method for in-app purchases.
The App Store's in-app purchase method, which developers are required to use for digital purchases made within apps, gives Apple a 15-30% commission on all purchases made. Cook noted today that Apple has only ever lowered the commission, never increasing it. Nonetheless, the new law in South Korea would represent a significant turning point for the App Store if fully enacted. The App Store operates under a single global set of rules, and any change in one jurisdiction is applied globally for all developers.
Article Link: Tim Cook: Users Who Want to Sideload Apps Can Use Android, While the iPhone Experience Maximizes 'Security and Privacy'
Frankly, I like the locked-down-ness of the iPhone.
The difference is you don't carry your Mac everywhere in your pocket!...I don't see the validity of this statement, I think it's a cop-out trying to hide the real reason.
Abusing people's desire for security as a false pretend to maximize Apple's profit!
Users who are not sideloading apps on iOS would be just as safe as they are now, how is their safety affected when other users sideload? Exploits of iOS are constantly found anyways, jailbreaks keep happening. Whoever wants to attack non-jailbreakers/sideloaders won't gain much here, at least not in comparison to the gains of the iOS users who want to sideload! If the OS is truly sandboxed well, where is the harm?
These devices (iPhones) are not a connected server cluster, they're individual devices!!!
Quick question: Why would it be unsafe on phones when it's normal for computers?
Take a guessiOS basically is a variant of MacOS, they claimed so at least (LOL). Does that mean that they do sub-par security for iOS, maybe get some devs from the MacOS team over to help? LMAO
I can imagine the entire Apple board of directory having dreamt of forbidding software installs on Mac computers just as much as they did on iOS for years now.
In the end, it's just common law. Everybody is used on it on iOS, so most people believe this makes sense and must remain like it is.... think again!
with Phil Schiller's words: "COURAGE!!!"..... c'mon Apple + Apple-Users, how about some courage!
I predict, Apple will lose this argument in court and will have to change their stance on this within the next few years.
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interesting to see, majority opts for the "courage" option of allowing what has been normal on any computer ever since they were invented.... so Apple, do the same for these pocket computers please!
I dont know what country you live in- but we don’t have such things where I live.
I think you’re purposely missing the point.
Because driving a car, using a gun and using a chainsaw are all not in the same league as using a telephone. This is a clear stretch of reality.
Do you believe there is a malware problem on MacBooks that is out of control? Sounds suspect to me.
Why we’ve been using macOS and haven’t had any issues in years….
The answer is that sideloading IS UNSAFE on computers! iOS is more secure than macOS, though macOS is closing the gap by taking advantage of specialized hardware on newer Macs. iPhones were built with security in mind from the start, while traditional PCs (and Macs) were designed to permit anything. This makes them vulnerable to malware infections.
Read about the “secure boot chain” if you’re interested in actually knowing why iPhones are more secure than computers. Apple makes this information available to the public on their site.
I guess many commenters have not lived thru the early 2000 computer virus pandemics to fully appreciate the issue.
Microsoft very clearly taught the world what not to do for a networked computer system if you do not want your computer system to be overrun with viruses (i.e. unrestricted rights to install software.) The model that we have today was born from that experience and it is still evolving to handle newer threats. Prevention is always better than cure.
Amid a heightened amount of scrutiny and tension surrounding the App Store and how users download and install apps on the iPhone, Apple CEO Tim Cook said today that customers who wish to sideload apps should consider purchasing an Android device as the experience offered by the iPhone maximizes their security and privacy.
Speaking at The New York Times "DealBook" summit, Cook said that customers currently already have a choice between wanting a secure and protected platform or an ecosystem that allows for sideloading. "I think that people have that choice today, Andrew. If you want to sideload, you can buy an Android phone." Cook drew the comparison of sideloading to a carmaker selling a car without airbags or seatbelt, saying it would be "too risky."
Sideloading, which would allow users to download and install apps directly onto their iPhone from the open internet, has become a hot topic in recent months, with Cook now weighing in. Earlier this week, Apple's senior vice president of software engineering, Craig Federighi, said that sideloading is a "cybercriminal's best friend," highlighting the dangers that may be presented to customers if offered the freedom to install apps from anywhere on the web.
In a paper published in October, Apple shared some facts about the security and privacy of the iPhone compared to the Android ecosystem. In the paper, Apple said that studies have shown that Android smartphones have been attacked by mobile malware between 15 and 47 times more than malware targeting the iPhone. "This is closely linked to sideloading," the paper added.
Speaking generally on privacy, Cook was questioned on recent reporting revealing that Facebook, Google, Snapchat, and others have lost almost $10 billion in revenue this year due to Apple's App Tracking Transparency prompt, which requires developers to ask for a user's consent before tracking them. Declining to comment on the specific numbers, Cook did repeat that Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right.
Apple is in multiple investigations and battles around the world regarding the App Store, with the one most likely to produce drastic change being South Korea. Last month, the country passed new rules prohibiting platform owners from limiting developers to using only a single payment method for in-app purchases.
The App Store's in-app purchase method, which developers are required to use for digital purchases made within apps, gives Apple a 15-30% commission on all purchases made. Cook noted today that Apple has only ever lowered the commission, never increasing it. Nonetheless, the new law in South Korea would represent a significant turning point for the App Store if fully enacted. The App Store operates under a single global set of rules, and any change in one jurisdiction is applied globally for all developers.
Article Link: Tim Cook: Users Who Want to Sideload Apps Can Use Android, While the iPhone Experience Maximizes 'Security and Privacy'
Absolutely spot on, Mr. Cook. Give me security any day. I buy all my software through Apple (Mac, iPhone and iPad Pro). I want the confidence to know that what I load on my devices is clean and compatible.
Amid a heightened amount of scrutiny and tension surrounding the App Store and how users download and install apps on the iPhone, Apple CEO Tim Cook said today that customers who wish to sideload apps should consider purchasing an Android device as the experience offered by the iPhone maximizes their security and privacy.
Speaking at The New York Times "DealBook" summit, Cook said that customers currently already have a choice between wanting a secure and protected platform or an ecosystem that allows for sideloading. "I think that people have that choice today, Andrew. If you want to sideload, you can buy an Android phone." Cook drew the comparison of sideloading to a carmaker selling a car without airbags or seatbelt, saying it would be "too risky."
Sideloading, which would allow users to download and install apps directly onto their iPhone from the open internet, has become a hot topic in recent months, with Cook now weighing in. Earlier this week, Apple's senior vice president of software engineering, Craig Federighi, said that sideloading is a "cybercriminal's best friend," highlighting the dangers that may be presented to customers if offered the freedom to install apps from anywhere on the web.
In a paper published in October, Apple shared some facts about the security and privacy of the iPhone compared to the Android ecosystem. In the paper, Apple said that studies have shown that Android smartphones have been attacked by mobile malware between 15 and 47 times more than malware targeting the iPhone. "This is closely linked to sideloading," the paper added.
Speaking generally on privacy, Cook was questioned on recent reporting revealing that Facebook, Google, Snapchat, and others have lost almost $10 billion in revenue this year due to Apple's App Tracking Transparency prompt, which requires developers to ask for a user's consent before tracking them. Declining to comment on the specific numbers, Cook did repeat that Apple believes privacy is a fundamental human right.
Apple is in multiple investigations and battles around the world regarding the App Store, with the one most likely to produce drastic change being South Korea. Last month, the country passed new rules prohibiting platform owners from limiting developers to using only a single payment method for in-app purchases.
The App Store's in-app purchase method, which developers are required to use for digital purchases made within apps, gives Apple a 15-30% commission on all purchases made. Cook noted today that Apple has only ever lowered the commission, never increasing it. Nonetheless, the new law in South Korea would represent a significant turning point for the App Store if fully enacted. The App Store operates under a single global set of rules, and any change in one jurisdiction is applied globally for all developers.
Article Link: Tim Cook: Users Who Want to Sideload Apps Can Use Android, While the iPhone Experience Maximizes 'Security and Privacy'
Well, no, I want the security and I don’t think it is unreasonable that Apple charges for providing it. What is happening here is a narrow minded attempt to turn Apple into a PC with all it‘s bloody security problems, hardware compatibility issues and general annoying bs. If I wanted a bloody open system I’d buy it.
And, what’s your point? You think that because software pirates jailbreak and steal apps that Apple should support their criminal desires? Right.
Simple question: If Apple were to make a feature where you docked your iPhone or iPad and got a full macOS desktop to work with, how would they implement such a feature today? This is for anyone out there thinking macOS won't ever be further locked down. (you do realize how closely macOS is starting to resemble iPadOS, right?)
That settles it, we should be petitioning Apple to lock down macOS to use the Mac App Store only! Who's with me? I know all you iOS fans want to see macOS safer and more secure, let's make it happen. Come on Apple, restrict our app usage on Macs too! This'll be such a good change, I'm feeling safer already just thinking about it
That settles it, we should be petitioning Apple to lock down macOS to use the Mac App Store only! Who's with me? I know all you iOS fans want to see macOS safer and more secure, let's make it happen. Come on Apple, restrict our app usage on Macs too! This'll be such a good change, I'm feeling safer already just thinking about it
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This could be an unpopular opinion, but sideloading on Macs is what created a vibrant developer community for iOS and MacOS.