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Dude, you have to understand that Apple is doing what they have to do to be fiscally responsible to its shareholders. It is their fiscal duty.

They literally can't make stupid financial decisions with cash because they want to "do what's best for America." They have to do what's best for Apple and parking that money overseas was what had to be done.

The lawmakers changed the law and now it's back in America.
I've already agreed with you on that part. They don't have to wrap themselves in a progressive flag, which does not fit with their fiscal decision making. In your many replies, you have not engaged that point so why are you continuing to reply to me.

The thing I think you're missing is, everyone here on these forums knows that shareholder value is the key to success at Apple. It goes without saying. However, there are many ways to get there.

Does Apple gimping pro laptops, shaving off battery and shipping faulty keyboards, add to shareholder value? A lot of us think, no. But Apple clearly believes there is an intangible effect for the customer here, a desirable thinness that will keep it on the cutting edge of computer design.

It's that intangible effect that sophisticated companies like Apple are aware of. In your replies, you mention direct shareholder value, i.e. hoarding money off seas to avoid paying more US taxes. Any company can do this, and Apple is doing it, to the possible detriment of intangible benefits.

I have been talking about both intangible benefits that can affect shareholder value, i.e. the PR boost that Apple would receive by bringing money back to the US and investing more heavily here. We've seen that it before in the plants that were announced in, I think, Wisconsin. As the smartphone market matures, these efforts can help to keep Apple in the forefront.

But also, as a consumer, I don't like seeing companies get away with blatantly false statements, and I don't approve of the short term shareholder value that deception provides. Apple lies about a lot of things (such as its fabled progressive commitments, lecturing the US Government on economic and humanitarian things). Forum members like yourself really don't care, as all you seem to care about is what you'd do as CEO. Unless you're Tim Cook, you're not CEO and you can afford to hold Apple accountable as much as the rest of us. It will make Apple a stronger company and only contribute to shareholder value.
 
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TIM CROOK is the reason for every major recall in Apples history. He instated planned obsolescence at Apple during his tenure and that's why Steve Jobs left him in charge. Tim Crook must be removed from his duty as CEO in order for someone with a conscience to save Apple. #ousttimcrooknow
Apple needs to crumble first before the pips can regrow
 
Is that the only job it has to do? Just make profits and take care of the investors? It's one of the largest company. It should use it's power to do something good for humanity, civilization. You can always make money, the right way or the wrong way. I would rather prefer Apple to to make 10B every year in the right way to making 200B using all wrong ways.
You might want use the search engine of your choice and enter the terms "Apple philanthropy" and learn a bit. Apple is near the top as one of the most charitable corporations on the planet.
And on a personal note: Tim Cook plans to donate all of his personal fortune to philanthropy.
https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/27/8300191/tim-cook-plans-to-donate-fortune

 
TIM CROOK is the reason for every major recall in Apples history. He instated planned obsolescence at Apple during his tenure and that's why Steve Jobs left him in charge. Tim Crook must be removed from his duty as CEO in order for someone with a conscience to save Apple. #ousttimcrooknow

Could you expand on what your real gripe is? Planned obsolescence is not necessarily a bad thing. Supporting outdated technology hampers innovation. Do you want the headphone jack back or what?
 
ps. Oh yeah, and not having any retail stores in the Republic of Ireland but have their distribution warehouses/offices/online stores based there, just seems a bit 'unusual'. There's 4 in Scotland (similar population size to EIRE) and even 1 in Northern Ireland.
Both of these examples are, obviously, part of the (large) UK market. Better comparisons would be Denmark, Norway or Portugal, all of whom are still without an Apple Retail Store. Austria just got their first store a few months ago in Vienna. I don't see this as being related to the Irish tax situation, rather market size and whatever other factors they take into consideration.
 
Both of these examples are, obviously, part of the (large) UK market. Better comparisons would be Denmark, Norway or Portugal, all of whom are still without an Apple Retail Store. Austria just got their first store a few months ago in Vienna. I don't see this as being related to the Irish tax situation, rather market size and whatever other factors they take into consideration.
There's 38 UK Apple stores in total. They even have 1 in Wales! What's a sheep gonna do with an iPad?

I'm not sure Denmark, Norway or Portugal have any Apple employees working there at all, but definitely not 6,000 like Ireland. Those 3 countries you mentioned could just be because Apple haven't got round to setting up in that country yet, but in Ireland's case it's appears to be quite an obvious snub.
 
And all the decision making staff were placed in London...[/QUOTE]

Hey, leave us Brits out of this. We've had our share of euroBS.
 
Could you expand on what your real gripe is? Planned obsolescence is not necessarily a bad thing. Supporting outdated technology hampers innovation. Do you want the headphone jack back or what?
Headphone jack, user serviceable batteries, user serviceable upgradable ram slots, FireWire ports, everything, I want everything... And I also want a computer that doesn't run hot because everything inside isn't crammed together with glue and a screen that doesn't fill up with dust because of poor engineering and that lasts for longer than a year or two when I've paid thousands of dollars for it. Tim Cook is a Crook. Tim Cook is a Crook. Tim Cook is a Crook... and on....
 
I keep hearing this, and then while I'm doing my taxes I see that half of Americans pay basically no tax, and the rest pay less than 25% unless they make like $100K/year and don't get to write stuff off. I know corps get away with things that individuals can't, but it's not that extreme.
So, what are you saying? That half of the country is unemployed? In Germany an individual usually pays between 30% and 50% tax on their income (that usually includes health care though).

GE has paid $0 tax as well as General Motors. IBM has insanely low effective tax rates, while raking in huge profits.

You're incorrect in saying they are the lowest as a percentage of income. Apple isn't even close. They are generally around 25%, actually among the highest. You actually have no clue what you're talking about.

Maybe in the USA, but on income from Europe (which this article is about) they pay 0.005%. Yes, the number of zeroes is correct. This is effectively 200-ths of a single %.
 
So, what are you saying? That half of the country is unemployed? In Germany an individual usually pays between 30% and 50% tax on their income (that usually includes health care though).
The lower your income is, the less as a percentage you pay. There are tax brackets, and there various credits like EITC you're only eligible for if you make less than some amount yearly, plus factors like number of children affecting it all. Unfortunately, it's complicated to get all the credits you're allowed.

On top of that, many poor people are eligible for free stuff like healthcare and financial aid for school, so it's definitely a net positive for some. Again, at some point the amount you get depends on how much you're willing to dig around for it.

I was a bit off. About 44% of Americans pay no federal income tax. There's state too, but it varies between states and isn't much, even in CA (6-8% for the average), again before any credits one can get back, but idk how those work in each state.
 
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