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They care about it enough to forego the easy route of taking all my data and emails to shove into Siri and everything else, so. Obviously they care about it somewhat. Google links to and makes money off of search engines and advertising on all sorts of shady and awful sites but I don't see people saying that they support all of those things.

I get that some people like you would be happy to give up what's left of your privacy, but people like me and others are not. You at least have a choice of another provider to go to, we wouldn't.

And when you search the Internet who do you use? Because all search engines will be collecting that data, Apple is great at marketing, there why I don't really listen to these pointless sound bites from them as that's all they are, marketing phrases to make you give them money. This site will be making money of advertising, that's a ridiculous argument to make.
 
Plus all your data is recorded anyway, in the UK everything you do is kept for 2 years for security purposes.

You equate retention of logs pertaining to internet traffic to ‘everything you do’? :confused:
 
Tim Cook has stated a worthy principle about A.I and privacy. I guess the notion of online privacy being eroded is borne largely out of "free" services such as some e-mail providers or many Social Media providers who operate on making profit from sharing information on users with advertisers. But as we all no, literally to our cost, many Apple products are anything but free $$$ €€€ £££ (insert your own Currency). :p

The one aspect I find curious about Tim Cook's comments is while Siri requests may be many, from what i have seen and read, Siri requests are largely inconsequential for the most part. But hey, as Siri and A.I develops, so to may the type of requests made of it. Also, while Tim Cook's remarks about the value of having a mobile A.I with us all the time on the move are undeniably true, it is very nice to see Siri also making its debut on the MacBook Pro which arguably is as useful in a home/work environment as it is portable. ;)
 
More mullarkey from Tim. Apple's privacy stance is precisely what's been holding Siri back from being useful in any meaningful way. I get far more accurate results with Google Now/Assistant & Amazon's Alexa than I ever have using Siri. At this point Siri is more of a hindrance than a useful tool.

Please post an objective video of all 3 assistants. I'd like to see what you use them for because in my experience, there isn't a single assistant that leapfrogs another... if anything, I've found Alexa to be the worst of the 3.
 

I fail to see what this has to do with any collection of personal data by Apple. You could have thousands of connections to Apple’s servers in a year and the logs about them still do not tell you anything about the content of the data. Apple is also open about the fact that they do collect and analyse personal data, but they claim to do this in a way that avoids assembling profiles about particular persons and limits the transmission of data points to what is needed for a particular service. That is the difference between Apple and Google.
 
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And when you search the Internet who do you use? Because all search engines will be collecting that data, Apple is great at marketing, there why I don't really listen to these pointless sound bites from them as that's all they are, marketing phrases to make you give them money. This site will be making money of advertising, that's a ridiculous argument to make.

I've noticed a trend, here - you seem to be arguing that unless a person never gives up *any* of their data ever ever, then they shouldn't care about it when it comes to Apple. I think that's ridiculous. As a side note, people who don't want their search engine data used can use Duck Duck Go, there are browsers that protect privacy, there are ad-blockers and things like Ghostery that also block ad-tracking, Facebook mining & tracking around the web, etc, etc. There are many, many ways for the privacy conscious to protect themselves and I take advantage of most of those.

However even if I did not, I would still retain the right to choose a mobile phone manufacturer who respects and caters to my desire to not have that extend to my cellphone and everything I do on it. Your desire to hand over your data should not trump my desire to not, and both of us should have options.
 
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I fail to see what this has to do with any collection of personal data by Apple. You could have thousands of connections to Apple’s servers in a year and the logs about them still do not tell you anything about the content of the data. Apple is also open about the fact that they do collect and analyse personal data, but they claim to do this in a way that avoids assembling profiles about particular persons and limits the transmission of data points to what is needed for a particular service. That is the difference between Apple and Google.

So... you selected that post of mine, I responded to YOUR question, and now you don't understand why I replied to your question.
I think you need to be a bit more clear in your posts if you want certain responses and I have never seen Apple claim they collect and analyse user data so please provide a link to show this.
 
Doesn't Siri need a internet connection? What is this doesn't phone home nonsense
Indeed it does and everything you day to Siri is recorded and uploaded to servers and shared with third party companies to improve voice recognition. (Anonymously obviously)
 
I've noticed a trend, here - you seem to be arguing that unless a person never gives up *any* of their data ever ever, then they shouldn't care about it when it comes to Apple. I think that's ridiculous. As a side note, people who don't want their search engine data used can use Duck Duck Go, there are browsers that protect privacy, there are ad-blockers and things like Ghostery that also block ad-tracking, Facebook mining & tracking around the web, etc, etc. There are many, many ways for the privacy conscious to protect themselves and I take advantage of most of those.

However even if I did not, I would still retain the right to choose a mobile phone manufacturer who respects and caters to my desire to not have that extend to my cellphone and everything I do on it. Your desire to hand over your data should not trump my desire to not, and both of us should have options.

So if you use an ad blocker, then complaining about Google is pointless because you can use those same ad blockers on them.
You want to believe that marketing hype then that's great and your opinion, I use iOS too daily, but I don't believe the privacy talk half as much.
It's also not really a trend when I've said it in black and white, strange choice of words there?
 
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While you can adjust the search engine - Apple makes money off of everyone's searches on google on their iDevices. it's a bit disgenuine for Apple to say that other orgs (like google) make the user the product when Apple themselves "sell" you to them.

Also iAds - they only wish that project could have been a competitor to Google or other ad networks. They would love and kill for that revenue stream.

Apple also talks about being able to target ads to brands based on iTunes knowledge.

Apple isn't as squeaky clean as some here think they are. Not saying anyone specifically - but it's clear from postings in this thread and many others that some people just don't "get it."
 
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He went on to say that there's still a market for a home assistant like the Amazon Echo, but that usage on a phone "will likely be much greater." Is he kidding? having an assistant at home is MORE important as you are not mobile anymore, your phone sits on a desk or in another room. Having your whole home connected to a voice assistant IS the future and I'm totally surprised its not completely common by now.
 
So... you selected that post of mine, I responded to YOUR question, and now you don't understand why I replied to your question.

No, you did not respond to my question at all. You responded with a rectification about something you said, something which I did not even touch upon (and frankly don’t even care about). My response was a rhetorical question anyway, because it is clear to me that you have a misunderstanding about the UK’s data retention laws. They don’t store ‘everything you do’. Even the BBC article touches upon what it is they collect in the headline, the standfirst and the lead paragraph.

have never seen Apple claim they collect and analyse user data so please provide a link to show this.

You are not even trying. Have a look at Apple’s privacy policy: https://www.apple.com/privacy/.
 
Sending every Siri request to Apple is enough of a privacy violation that I never even enable Siri on my devices.
 
He's right. I don't need a buddy that knows me on my phone. I just need an assistant to do what I tell it, and it doesn't need to invade my privacy to do that.
 
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"At this point Apples stupid comments about 'privacy' are nothing more then advertising soundbite gimmicks."

Google makes money by selling targeted ads by looking at private information, which pages you are Googling, what's on your gmail account etc., while Apple makes money by selling hardware and software.

It's the difference between night and day.
 
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