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Oh, but were's the visionary product guy? He's dead you see. Now the company is in the hands of a numbers guy who's still rehashing products from his predecessor. Sure, we was running it a year before stuff died, but with Steve still guiding the pipeline with HIS stuff, not Tim's. Tim's got nothing for the market.

Tim was at Apple long before he was CEO (counting bean's as you put it), with Job's. Steve Job's could not do numbers, that is partly why we was sacked the first time and when he returned was something others did for him.

What Job's could do is drive an idea WITH other creatives who are still alive and well at Apple and the sell the product as the best thing since sliced bread.

Contrary to the popular religious belief's of Apple devotees, Steve did not create all the product's himself, he surrounded himself with individual's who did, such as Woz and Ive to name but two.

All Apple has lost is another visionary creative and Apple is far from doomed because of this, as there are plenty of good technologists working at Apple and others trying to get in.

Also, there is arguably no need for Job's (type of) overselling of a product, as he had already saved Apple before his death and now, Apple product's are no longer niche and need no introduction.

So as they used to say, "The king is dead, long live the king!!!!"
 
What exactly did Apple introduce under Steve that didn't exist already?

MP3 player? Refinement of existing products already in the market.

Smart phone? Refinement of existing products already in the market.

Tablet? Refinement of existing products already in the market

Apple doesn't create the category, they let others experiment and make mistakes and learn from the others experiences.

Remember, Steve is the one who said there was no way in hell the iPod would EVER be compatible with windows. It was only after months and months of his team hounding him that he caved to shut them up. Read Isaacson's book.

He surrounding himself with good people that helped form those decisions.

Not the old 'Apple wasn't first' argument again.
The trick isn't thinking of something or even producing it.
Its producing it in a way that is overwhelmingly adopted by users.
Only then can you claim 'innovation'.
And that's why Apple smokes the rest.
 
How would Steve have handled the intense competition from Android?

Well, he wanted to destroy it.

"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." - Steve Job's

This is the sort of bloody minded liabilty of actions that had him sacked the first time. Who is to say that the board would not have had to remove him again? Especially if the recent iBooks and patent penalty issues are anything to go by.

But like you say, we will never know.
 
Will all the wannabe CEO's of Apple on these forums please stand up :rolleyes:

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Although people question his style of leadership, I generally have more respect for the person who stays quiet and may use the "one-liners" if he has to; as opposed to people who shout and display aggression.

It must suck being him, in the sense that all of the forum trolls/idiots/analysts are saying that he can't innovate and that he must rush out a new product after 2 years of being CEO.

Anyways, we'll see how things unwind over time. But I have confidence in this guy.

Couldn't have said it any better. :)
 
He has some big shoes to fill. It would be so hard to take over one of the fastest growing companies in an emergency. I say he has done a good job, but they have definitely lost some of the DNA that Steve put into the company as far as culture, and design.
 
Not the old 'Apple wasn't first' argument again.
The trick isn't thinking of something or even producing it.
Its producing it in a way that is overwhelmingly adopted by users.
Only then can you claim 'innovation'.
And that's why Apple smokes the rest.

You just reinforced my point, lol. Thanks.
 
He certainly has big shoes to fill, and the good news is he hasn't failed anyone.

2 years in his position is eternity in other companies, he certainly possesses the managerial skills required for the job, but does he have the vision?

Time will tell.
 
I personally think that Cook isn't going to fill Job's shoes, for better or worse. IMO it's because he is "delegating" as the article states. He is head of a computer company. Something tells me that he uses a 10% of a Mac's features, and 10% of an iPhone's features. He is just going to delegate it out.

He is missing out on the excitement of what makes Mac & iOS great, and thus does not have a great way to innovate because he truly isn't a tech geek like Jobs was. IMO Jobs was excited by the engineering and quality behind it, something I appreciate.

If Cook used Macs or iPhones as much as any of us tech nerds, or as much as Jobs did, we would start to see NEW things in the software instead of just catching up. His background is Industrial Engineer and MBA.

I check macrumors and other sites everyday, it's exciting to me. Jobs, as stated in the article, had iPhone workshops to get hands-on.

If Cook used a feature like Apple maps as much as I did when I got excited, maybe he wouldn't have had to apologize for it and positioned it properly as a beta.

It reminds me of when my girlfriend worked for Apple, the managers they hired never used Apple computers, yet talked the company up so much. They all bought them after getting the job. There was just no excitement and relation to the techies.

Cook is just going to steer the company, and keep up with the times, and will do OK, quite well. Hopefully though, there is a system in place for the tech geeks at Apple to voice their opinion and feelings and it's listened to and implemented. In that case, Apple may continue to perform like a startup if they compensate for Cook's weaknesses.
 
I've said it before in other posts and I'll repeat myself. Tim Cook is a bean-counter and corporate inertialist, and that's the worst sort of CEO for Apple to have right now.

First, Apple is on the downslope of its product category life cycle, in that the market has matured and the company, while continuing to maintain reasonable profits through high product margin, is nonetheless seeing significant erosion in its market share. This is not strictly Tim Cook's fault, it's a just a function of Apple's combined strategy of hardware exclusivity coupled with the same high product margin, which is fundamentally unjustifiable in the long-term given the specs of the provided hardware. A lot of people try to evoke a claim of culture premium by comparing Apple to Ferrari or Rolex, but it's just absolutely false. Neither Ferrari or Rolex have an ecosystem reliant on third parties for proliferation like Apple. Apple's draw is its ecosystem, the number and quality of the apps available for it, especially for its mobile solutions. Eroding marketshare fu

Second, for people that say we should trust Jobs because he hand-picked a successor, I counter with the fact that, for all of his charisma and his great ability to innovate and develop markets before they enter common awareness, Steve Jobs historically made some poor business decisions about who to trust with stewardship of his company. Add into that his mercurial conception of loyalty and his ability to appear friendly with people that he personally despised, and it would not shock me at all that Tim's direct selection by Jobs was merely a public confidence PR ploy, with Jobs merely pragmatically choosing not to rock the boat when the board selected someone that would have the bottom line, and the bottom line only, at heart. I freely admit that this is purely speculation on my part, but he historically prefer engaging, dynamic people for CEO spots rather than engineers. I also think back to the All Things D roundtable with he and Bill Gates, loaded with false civility when they were well-known to detest each other, and then we find out later that Microsoft licensed a load of Apple IP for its own mobile solutions. Perhaps a coincidence and perhaps not.

As a shareholder of Apple stock for many years, and one that believes that company itself is grossly overvalued when compared to the product it delivers, I'm really rather disappointed that Cook hasn't taken the opportunity to have the technical proficiency of its products rise to the level of its fit and finish, given his engineering background. As a long-time consumer of Apple products (my first computer, 26 years ago, was an Apple IIgs), I'm somewhat alarmed by the general direction of emphasis on cosmetic changes on the software side, and costly niche interfaces on the hardware side, all against the backdrop of an increasingly deteriorating economic environment.
 
Will all the wannabe CEO's of Apple on these forums please stand up :rolleyes:

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Couldn't have said it any better. :)

Thank you very much for that. Your comment is also really hilarious: someday, these users who think they can run a company should try even one day as the CEO of apple, and I look forward to see how much they cock-up the company in one day.
 
It's funny/sad how people are expecting Cook to deliver revolutionary new products. How did Steve Jobs do after his return to Apple in 1997? Well, there was the iPod in 2001, iPhone is 2007 and iPad (although it was said to be "just a big iPhone) in 2010. That's three (or two if you exclude the iPad) revolutionary products in 13 years.

This. Let's wait a few years before judging Cook's work.
 
It must suck being him
Yeah... all that money and power and all the benefits of being the CEO of one of the most valuable companies in the entire world doesn't amount to much when people on MacRumors are typing up "Steve would never..." one-liners. :rolleyes:
 
And there is no such thing as having a 'monopoly' over one's own products.

Oh just ask Microsoft about its fight with the EU regulators over locking down Windows for its rivals. :)
 
Tim Cook is all business, but Steve was an inventor... he designed and made things, and later could look at projects and speak to them from a different perspective than what someone who is all business can do.

Jobs didn't design UIs or cases, or invent circuits, nor did he program a single line of code in his life. Even many of the conceptual ideas or thoughts he talked about, were copies of what others had already said.

Instead of inventing, Jobs' talent was being the ultimate device user, with the power to get others to refine products that were already known, into something better looking and easier to use, that he liked... and by extension, that the mass public would like.

(I think that not having deep technical knowledge actually helped him, because he could not "see" how difficult certain things would be to do. )

That's why I've always said that Apple would need to replace him with another non-techie user with taste, and give that person the same kind of final authority that Jobs had. No design by committee or beancounter or engineers. Instead, meet the desires of a single user who understands what other users would like.
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Oh just ask Microsoft about its fight with the EU regulators over locking down Windows for its rivals. :)

And MS was indeed a functional monopoly.

But for mobile, which is it?...
Android is decimating Apple with market share (in which case Apple absolutely does not have a monopoly), or the Android numbers are horse pucky?

Can't have it both ways.
 
iWatch

Some people might use it to tell time. I want to know my blood pressure and sugar level. Even if it has to have a hole to shove in a OneTouch strip I don't care. I want the new category of device to have a user selectable tone to tell me when I'm about to have a heart attack. And an IR sender so I can change the channel at the doctors office.
 
"After two years."

This ignores the fact that Cook was co-CEO and sometimes full CEO during the last few years of Steve Jobs' life, so limiting his leadership time to two years is a little disingenuous.

Furthermore, I don't understand why people keep demanding that Cook prove himself. Beyond the fact that he's been at Apple since 1998 and has handled more of the leadership duties than he's often given credit for, he's the most successful CEO of Apple outside of Jobs himself. People who like to say Tim Cook is no Steve Jobs need also to acknowledge that Cook is likewise no John Sculley, Michael Spindler or Gil Amelio.
 
The fact that Apple lost it's main product shepherd (Jobs) is evident in their lack of product.

Jobs shepherded to us the iPod, the iMac, iLife, gorgeous macbook Pros, iPhone and iPad. Cook has brought stock share buy-backs, smaller iPads and gold iPhones. Yippee.


iBonds. Cooks idea of a next great thing. Sad.
 
People need to stop comparing Cook to Jobs. He is not Jobs. Cook has led and will lead this company without issue. Plus with good people in his "administration", especially Ive, Apple will remain strong. People can bash Apple all they want as not meeting expectations, but those same people have bashed everything Apple has done and it seems everyone has copied them. The extent of copying varies, but essentially, all smartphone makes have copied the all touchscreen design pioneered by Apple. There is no debating that.

Yep.

Before the iPod, MP3 players were fringe items that needed to be very cheap and utilitarian to have any traction whatsoever.

Before the iPhone, touchscreen phones were very, very rare, and considered "dumb"

Before the iPad, tablet computers had pretty much been considered a failure.

Every retail computer store before and after the Apple retail stores have been mediocre at best, and most have eventually failed.
 
Yeah... all that money and power and all the benefits of being the CEO of one of the most valuable companies in the entire world doesn't amount to much when people on MacRumors are typing up "Steve would never..." one-liners. :rolleyes:

I thought about that when I was making the comment, but maybe I should have been more clear. I stated "in the sense that". In other words, these idiots are tarnishing his reputation for no good reason.

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Tim Cook is a total corporate guy and Apple is becoming more and more corporate. No real surprise here.

Any grounds to judge that, besides the reports? What have you seen them actually do that gives you that opinion?

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Well, he wanted to destroy it.

"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." - Steve Job's

This is the sort of bloody minded liabilty of actions that had him sacked the first time. Who is to say that the board would not have had to remove him again? Especially if the recent iBooks and patent penalty issues are anything to go by.

But like you say, we will never know.

Just don't bother arguing with these types of fools. They don't open their minds up to change their opinion. They just stay stubborn as hell.
 
Firing the head of your most successfully operating system does not seems clever.
In WWDC 2013 Apple Executives acted like trolls with envy when referring the Steve Jobs/Scott Forstall approved GUI design.


Agree. That presentation left me shaking my head. Jony Ive was the consummate professional. The others were reminiscent of the back row slacker in junior high cracking wise on honor students. Very sad indeed. I was embarrassed for Apple. Schiller made a fool of himself.
 
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