Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Well, he wanted to destroy it.

"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." - Steve Job's

This is the sort of bloody minded liabilty of actions that had him sacked the first time. Who is to say that the board would not have had to remove him again? Especially if the recent iBooks and patent penalty issues are anything to go by.

But like you say, we will never know.


I read the email Steve sent. Since Steve wasn't around to be questioned, the Feds are just looking for scapegoats and since Apple has a ton of money, they just want to find ways to get more of it, since the Feds are too much in debt. I think it was BS. The industry, like ALL industries have to go through their pricing models to figure out what's best and fair for all parties. All Steve wanted was to make sure they could get 30% margin, which is COMPLETELY reasonable and that there was an equal playing field as to how much the retail list price was and that no one was leaving money on the table and that it was priced properly, what someone sells a product for in the end is up to those that are in charge with how much is being charged to the customer.

If you recall, the music industry had no idea what to charge for MP3's in the beginning. Apple wanted to charge $.99. Well, what's the average price for an MP3 now? They have creeped up to $1.29, $1.39, etc. The problem is that everyone wants their fair share and the consumer wants to pay less. Artists want a decent amount of money, just like the record labels, record distributors, the resellers, etc., etc. etc.

I still buy physical CDs because I want uncompressed audio files. But books? It's a different beast in some ways. They range from a couple of bucks to hundreds of dollars for a book.

I think the judge was wrong, he was the only decision maker in that trial and I think they launched the lawsuit since Steve isn't around to defend his position. Remember, words and sentences can mean different things to different people. Sometimes you need the original author to be questioned as their intentions.
 
Well, he wanted to destroy it.

"I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." - Steve Job's

This is the sort of bloody minded liabilty of actions that had him sacked the first time. Who is to say that the board would not have had to remove him again? Especially if the recent iBooks and patent penalty issues are anything to go by.

But like you say, we will never know.

Well it's probably very likely we wouldn't have Apple/Samsung lawsuits were it not for Steve's obsession with destroying Android.

----------

Agree. That presentation left me shaking my head. Jony Ive was the consummate professional. The others were reminiscent of the back row slacker in junior high cracking wise on honor students. Very sad indeed. I was embarrassed for Apple. Schiller made a fool of himself.

Oh please they were making fun of themselves. If a company can't poke fun at itself from time to time that's not a good thing. And how exactly did Schiller make a fool of himself?
 
Something that happens every 3-6 years based on history. Why are people getting impatient after 2 years?
Do "analysts" really expect Apple to completely reinvent an industry on a yearly basis? We're running out of industries to overturn! We'll have TV, wearables, and then.... um..... kitchenware?

It's because Samsung is so much more innovative. They innovated by copying the iPhone, then they innovated again by copying the iPad ...

----------

Well it's probably very likely we wouldn't have Apple/Samsung lawsuits were it not for Steve's obsession with destroying Android.

But here's the question: Would the Galaxy 3 phones have looked like Galaxy 3, or like iPhone 4?
 
Firing the head of your most successfully operating system does not seems clever.
In WWDC 2013 Apple Executives acted like trolls with envy when referring the Steve Jobs/Scott Forstall approved GUI design.

Steve Jobs had nothing to do with iOS development in the last two years.
Scott Forstall did ******* up with maps, but unlike others at the top at Apple, he refused to admit responsibility. And when iTunes 11 was released, the product quality was horrendous. I found bugs that looked like either the developers never checked their own code, or were refused the time to fix them. And bugs where a testing team that didn't find them deserved to be fired (but again, I think they weren't given time to fix things). That's Forstall's responsibility, and it was unforgivable. Since then, each release since Forstall is gone has been a major improvement.

If he f***s up, you need to get rid of him. Maybe he was more under control when Jobs was there, or less full of himself. People change.
 
How quickly the "fans" turn eh? How many of you who are not defending the sophomoric behavior of Shiller and attacking skeunomorphic design were only last year lauding the design of iOS 6?

Some "fans" you are. You follow trends rather than set them.

I would be that if a blogger you admire said that drinking urine was the best thing ever, you would start drinking urine.
 
Tim Cook is a total corporate guy and Apple is becoming more and more corporate. No real surprise here.

The first time Cook wears a suit and tie to a keynote, I might start to agree with you. Until then, you're way off-base. It seem for some people, Tim Cook has committed the unforgivable sin of not being a clone of Steve Jobs. :rolleyes:
 
The first time Cook wears a suit and tie to a keynote, I might start to agree with you. Until then, you're way off-base. It seem for some people, Tim Cook has committed the unforgivable sin of not being a clone of Steve Jobs. :rolleyes:

Steve's clone is only two years old, so we'll have to wait for that.

Remember, you heard it here first.
 
"Drinkin' lattes, kickin' ass"

tim_cook_sun_valley.jpg
 
Google glass is a lame idea that was designed for the geeks and by the geeks. You will not see it become a consumer product like the smart phone.

Any product that hasn't even been released yet and is already getting banned from certain establishments is doomed to fail. That and the states that are already writing legislation to ban drivers from wearing them.
 
Last edited:
he is definitely a great leader, i know no one can match SJ but you can get close to him and TC is the closest we have got. just give some time and he will bring apple back where they once were, right on the top.:)
 
In Apple history with Steve, there would be a cycle where Steve put together technology in a new combination that no major company was willing to do.
- This happened with the Lisa, the first commercially available GUI PC, and later the Mac.
- But because Apple does not license its OS, eventually the competition copies Apple's approach.
Apple sued the copycats, but it didn't make a difference.
- The OS used by many manufacturers won the market share battle (Windows).

* This same pattern was being repeated under Steve with iOS/iPhone/iPad.
- Google has won the mobile OS market share battle.
Steve saw this happening and he could not stop it with legal action.
- Apple will be left with its ~ 10% niche in phones/tablets similar to what happenned with PC market share in the US.

* So, I think that Tim Cook is the right CEO for Apple right now.
He is a detail guy who will try to keep Apple's position from shrinking.
 
Lost 300 stock points

I mean, 'nuff said.

You can clearly link the start of Apple's fall from grace from the Apple Maps debacle. This was clearly Tim Cook's fault and there exists either one of two indisputable facts:

1) Tim Cook was clueless how back Apple Maps was which shows he has no vested interest in the development of and quality of Apple products.

2) Time Cook knew how bad Maps was and allowed it to be released and then lied on stage about how great it was.

Most companies will never enjoy the luxury of reaching $300 a share, yet a CEO that allowed a stock slide of 300 points remains a high paid executive at that company?

All Tim had to do to prove he was a strong leader for Apple was to postpone Apple Maps. Steve Jobs would NEVER have released Apple Maps the way it was, period, and he would have ripped the heads off of every developer involved in the projects as well.
 
Steve was an off the cuff, qualitative, visionary. Tim is a by the book, quantitative, numbers guy.


You're going to get 2 different companies.

I like to see how Apple responds to Google Glass, which launches in 2014. iWatch isn't going to cut it Tim. That's a lame product idea.

Make Apple TV what it should be (a TV, Movie and Gaming Platform), and we'll keep you around.

Steve's persona portrayed in films you seem to fixate on was nothing like that when he returned to Apple.

He was always a visionary. His 11 years at NeXT and PIXAR gave him a wide birth in refining and honing his qualitative and quantitative sides.

Steve spent 13 years bringing Tim out of his quantitative side and to trust his instincts by teaching him his visionary approaches to design and seeing where the industry is headed.

He did that for all of his executives; and he entrusted they would continue passing it down.
 
...
Most companies will never enjoy the luxury of reaching $300 a share, yet a CEO that allowed a stock slide of 300 points remains a high paid executive at that company?

All Tim had to do to prove he was a strong leader for Apple was to postpone Apple Maps. Steve Jobs would NEVER have released Apple Maps the way it was, period, and he would have ripped the heads off of every developer involved in the projects as well.

Um, that would be 200, and at least 100 of that 700 high was the nuts end of a pendulum swing. I'd say he's down 100, mostly on our societal penchant for bashing the front runner. (NYTimes, looking at you.)

As for the Steve worship, enough already. Remember Mobile Me? Nuf said.
 
People are starting to finally realize that Steve can never be replaced and that Tim isn't supposed to replace him. Instead, Tim is there to continue taking the company in the right direction. For the most part he has done a good job over the past two years. Not great, but not bad either. His true test will come over the next two years when he can no longer simply rely on stuff that Steve had already had his input on in a big way.
 
I mean, 'nuff said.

You can clearly link the start of Apple's fall from grace from the Apple Maps debacle. This was clearly Tim Cook's fault and there exists either one of two indisputable facts:

1) Tim Cook was clueless how back Apple Maps was which shows he has no vested interest in the development of and quality of Apple products.

2) Time Cook knew how bad Maps was and allowed it to be released and then lied on stage about how great it was.

Most companies will never enjoy the luxury of reaching $300 a share, yet a CEO that allowed a stock slide of 300 points remains a high paid executive at that company?

All Tim had to do to prove he was a strong leader for Apple was to postpone Apple Maps. Steve Jobs would NEVER have released Apple Maps the way it was, period, and he would have ripped the heads off of every developer involved in the projects as well.
Another Steve wouldn't have screed. I wait for the day that gets banned from this site. :rolleyes:
 
Article: "Cook is generally very decisive"

A big factor in what makes Cook valuable. This is a fundamental attribute of great leaders.

Article: "There has, however, been some grumbling by employees about a shift in the Apple culture under Cook"

It's rarely the best of breed contributors that complain about culture, otherwise they'd already be gone on their own accord.
 
It's disappointing to read about people hating on Cook, you're not sitting in his office or Apple HQ seeing how the business is being run or what decisions are being made. How can you project all this ******** towards someone and something you have no real insight about?

Once Jobs passed, stock was going to crash regardless..

I see someone pushing for fresh ideas and innovating systems for the future (iOS 7 and Mavericks), new iPhones, new iPads, content talks with TV providors, buyouts to add to Maps, it goes on. I believe customers will see faster and more open-minded changes to Apple software under Cook than Jobs. If you want to judge Cook & Ive fairly - wait until iOS 10.

I'm sure Jobs in his time influenced Tim and others to think outside of the box. People praise Jobs, that he was some genius time-lord. I think he was good with words and quick to get a product to market.. I don't think those skills are limited to just Jobs. A 'visionary'! Really? We all have visions everyday, we all dream about how systems should work and what products Apple should make next..

Sadly when people rag on Cook for being 'weak' or 'soft' (without even knowing the guy, or what he's like outside opinions in the interwebz!? Ermahgerd!) I feel it's some deep seated dislike for the likelyhood of him being (gasp!) gay! And we all know them gayz can't innovate or be leaders right!? /sc
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.