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Time Capsule Not Using Server-Grade Hard Drive As Advertised?
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This is _not_ fact. There is no set standard, just a level at which some feel more comfortable with.
Hitachi sells the "Ultrastar" server grade drives. These have a 5 year warranty and a claimed 1.2 million hour MTBF.
Hitachi also sells the "Deskstar", which Hitachi calls a "consumer" drive. These have a 3 year warranty and no MTBF is claimed.
It's a reliability issue.
Nope, that's my opinion. Apple has effectively made up the phrase server grade and has never defined it, so shooting them down over nothing is unfair on all accounts.
That may work for the ill-informed, but as others have stated on this board, Hitachi clearly positions the Deskstar line as its consumer base product, and the Ultrastar line as its server and enterprise product.
This would be like stating the MacBook is professional level because it can be used in professional applications.
Im pissed and I wont buy into lame PR semantical games. This was a major screw up by Apple.
Quite often it can just come down to features, such as Native Command Queuing, or Time Limited Error Recovery, etc. Quite often, such features are only useful in a true multi-user environment, but they can actually be less efficient for use with a single user desktop system.
StorageReview.com has some really smart people who know what is quality and what is not.
I put two Hitachi 7K1000 drives in my Guardian Maximus after researching them and have no issues with the Hitachi brand.
WD is also a really good brand to go with, such as their 1TB RE-2.
I think the way they wrote that they mean to say the size of a 1tb hdd is a size a server would use.
Consider yourself lucky!
As a person who works on computers everyday for a living I see more Hitachi hard drives fail than any other hard drive manufacturer. They tend to also be noisy as well.
I can't believe they would use the DEATHStar in any of their products. Hitachi hard drives are about as reliable as a drunk cab driver. I would have thought Seagate or WD. (I have had bad luck with Hitachi drives)
That's a load of rot. Hitachi drives since the dodgy days of the GXP75 and early GXP60's have been fine. I've got a several Hitachi Deskstars kicking around including a couple of 6 year old GXP120s and they've not missed a beat.
I do IT support for a living and the company have hundreds of IBM ThinkCentre's mostly with Hitachi drives fitted and again no real problems. Most that fail usually have the less common Western Digital drives.
Apple might be in a bit of hot water here, although it does mention under applications for the 7K1000 Networked storage servers. The UltraStar A7K1000 does appear to be the high usage version with a high MTBF and 5 year rather than 3 year warranty. Looking at retail prices the A7K1000 is about 25% more expensive for what in essence the same drive.
The whole "Server-Grade" comment was basically meaningless spin by Steve Jobs. "Server-Grade" could mean just about anything but it does not mean "Enterprise Class", which is what a lot of people have taken it to mean (possibly what Apple were aiming for). You're not going to get an enterprise class disk in a device costing what Time Capsule does...
Legalities aside, to me "server grade" implies better reliability/quality than "consumer grade." Far from over-reacting, it just seems like apple should have been more careful with their marketing strategy. But maybe they are not concerned with an audience that would have trouble with their definitions. If they are stretching, it is irritating, and to others more so.
That is false advertising, but is typical of Apple of late -- revisionist history.
Time Machine and Time Capsule have class action written all over them. This is TWICE in two months that Apple has stated one set of features, gotten early adopters to buy in, then switched to an inferrior offering when shipping. (Saying first that Time Machine would work with APE disks, then that Time Capsule would use server grade drives).
This is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE and is deceptive marketing practice that should result in the dismissal of some folks at Apple.
Lame.
Cool it and go get a drink. Walk your dog or something.
I was under the impression that the server-grade drives were the same, except they are designed to withstand and pass a strict(er) specification.
Perhaps this is why the drives are marked with an Apple firmware sticker, as they're running custom settings like a PVR drive would.
Someone can chime in if I'm wrong though
Perhaps this is why the drives are marked with an Apple firmware sticker, as they're running custom settings like a PVR drive would.
Someone can chime in if I'm wrong though
From Hitatchi's press info on the drive:
http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/67A68C59B27368FC862572570080FC70/$file/Deskstar7K1000_010307_final.pdf
Excellent posts. This is perfect to end the non-sense.
There you have it, another case of whining. Less than knowledgeable users don't know what they're talking about and getting all worked up. Just classic.
So can we bring back the lawsuit posts again, just to give me a chuckle?
I work with high end EMC SAN storage, and all the EMC storage arrays have options for using SATA drives.
Steve
Why not? Retail price difference is 30.00-60.00 much of the time. Bought in the numbers that Apple would buy, it's certainly not as inconceivable as you make it out to be.
Not only is this a real issue, this also violates several laws including the mis-representation act. I'm happy for Apple to have a high profit margin on their products, but selling their own customers short is just plain wrong.
The fact that you are carrying on over SATA drives, means you don't even know what server grade means. Without any type of redundancy or proper enterprise controller, this can't even be considered a server. So calm yourself.That is false advertising, but is typical of Apple of late -- revisionist history.
Time Machine and Time Capsule have class action written all over them. This is TWICE in two months that Apple has stated one set of features, gotten early adopters to buy in, then switched to an inferrior offering when shipping. (Saying first that Time Machine would work with APE disks, then that Time Capsule would use server grade drives).
This is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE and is deceptive marketing practice that should result in the dismissal of some folks at Apple.
Lame.
Wow, you work on them every day? I consider _you_ lucky. What it must be like to touch a computer every day...
I've decided to invoke hatred for Seagate based on the fact that I had a Conner 80Mb drive back in the 90's that was noisy and failed taking my college work with it. Therefore as Seagate bought Conner all their hard drives must be bad and I'll never buy one ever again.
lol i love these types of comments, it seems you cant have a thread talking about reliability without one of these "i work on computers everyday and almost all of them are X brand" guys.