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Kill their sexiest looking staple workhorse?

doesn't sound like the apple i know....given their money grubbing instincts Im rather looking forward to a "macbook air pro" that costs 50% more.

soon.

What? The 2017 Pro weighs 3 lbs now! It's basically an Air with Retina and faster processor, plus PCI based SSD. What is wrong with you?!
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they need to allow people to get quad core processors on 13 or 15 macbook pros and macbook airs with all the same ports ect between the two and allow DGPU's between them both and stop with this must get the 15 inch 2,000+ dollar model in order to get both. will keep buying other brands of desktops and laptops until this changes.

Well, luckily, if they switch to Intel 8th gen, they will be Quad Core U chips. The i5 8250u and i7 8550u. All of the latest Windows PCs have it now.
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Thumbs up for a solid point.

For all we know, the price difference between the MBA's TN and a mid-level (non-retina) FHD IPS could be ridiculously small - let's say $10 or $20. But, as you noted, that would give a ton of people who prefer the Air's form factor/features over the rMB and MBP reason to buy the Air over the newer Apple portables.

They could just drop it, and make the 12" MacBook the entry level option. They wouldn't hurt Pro sales. The MacBook and Pro both cost $1299, which is absolutely ridiculous. It has a freaking M3 chip, and then the i5Y and i7Y, which are still slow as hell.
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I just ordered a new base MBA today to replace my mid 2009 MBP which finally gave up the ghost on Friday night. Glad I got my order in before deepen03 killed off the MBA completely. I looked at the 13" non touch bar MBP and thought it was a better machine overall with a much nicer display but for what I use a laptop for the Air will be fine, is $300 cheaper, has great battery life, has USB A ports and I prefer the older keyboards. I hope to get the same service from it as it did from my 2009 MBP.

And I'm typing this on my late 2012 mini which is still more than adequate for my needs. Glad to see they will be updating the mini so if/when this one dies or is no longer supported I can get a replacement. Not all of us need the latest, greatest high dollar tech to perform our basic day-to-day tasks.

Nice job, you paid $1000 for a 3 year old 5th gen chipset and a 5 year old design.

You just got played by Apple.
 
They could just drop it, and make the 12" MacBook the entry level option. They wouldn't hurt Pro sales. The MacBook and Pro both cost $1299, which is absolutely ridiculous. It has a freaking M3 chip, and then the i5Y and i7Y, which are still slow as hell.

It probably would not, but chances are it could hurt Apple's bottom line.

This topic you touched on is one that in recent time I've become more interested in answering, because Apple not killing off the Air is, for Apple, somewhat strange. The answer of why Apple has not already done this may be simple.

Based on my interaction with many MacBook Air Users, I'm becoming increasingly curious if Apple determined that eliminating the MacBook Air would, rather than redirect MBA users to the rMB, iPad Pro, or MBP nTB (even with a more reasonable base price), redirect them to another hardware Maker altogether. Given the mixed reaction to the changes introduced with the MBP (and what may have been a surge in 2015 rMBP sales), I am willing to bet that Apple spent a small fortune conducting cognitive interviews when considering the question of, "can we kill the MacBook Air and retain MacBook Air customers within our ecosystem?" If that is the case, this answer would fully explain why the MBA is still here.

As you have illustrated and as some other Members have pointed out, the MacBook Air really does not align with Apple's "vision" (whether you love that vision, despise it, or just don't care.) In fact, it stands in contrast of it. For a company that loves to implement those visions in what is often perceived as being near-forcible, it is outright strange for them to make an exception to this rule. As this thread has shown, the rMB (even at a reduced price) would not necessarily meet someone's needs as well as the MBA. Apple presumably makes a huge profit on ALL of their Macs/iPads - if killing off the MBA would simply redirect their customers from one high margin item to another similarly-priced high-margin item, then this would be no biggie at all - in fact, it would be logical for a company that prefers to implement sweeping solutions across the board as all their notebook offerings would then align to a contemporary philosophy (again, how one feels about the philosophy at an individual level is irrelevant.)

By keeping the low-res dim TN panel and not updating the chipset or case, this may be sufficient to drive the MacBook Air Users who are willing to shift to the rMB, iPP, or nTB MBP to upgrade to the respectable line (and, with these customers, it presumably increases the chance that they stay within the Apple ecosystem when the time comes that Apple does end production of their Air.) Simultaneously, keeping the MBA alive and giving the MBA the most meager of updates still presents an Apple offering for customers who do not want the rMB, iPP, or nTB MBP, and would purchase something else from another Maker if those were the only Apple laptop/tablet choices they were given. The quantity of individuals in this second category could be pretty big, and this thread could be interpreted as empirical evidence that this is indeed a sizable category of current Mac Users.

(I like my rMB quite a lot - but I paid closer to $999 than I did to the high base price, and I have a primary workstation. It would not suffice if it had to be my only computer...)
 
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Another option for Apple would be to finish off the iOS-like slimming down of the line to just one ram and processor option, and the only choice being storage tier.

Put in a 7th gen i5, and you're already at more than the 5th gen i7 can offer, so drop the i7 option (can't imagine that many people go for the i7 upgrade as if you want power you're going to be looking at a pro, so presumably little revenue loss?) then just offer this single processor/ram configuration in three storage tiers or 128/256/512 for the same money as now. Save production costs of extra SKUs and everyone's happy to have a more powerful and power efficient air model.
 
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Nice job, you paid $1000 for a 3 year old 5th gen chipset and a 5 year old design.

You just got played by Apple.

Well, you can get a new MBA from B.B. on sale for about $750.....just need to be patient and wait for the right sale. Also, there are certain MBA features that consumers really value: mage safe, long battery life, traditional keyboard, legacy ports, SD card slot, and the beloved illuminated logo.

If I was in the market for a new rMB or MBP, I would be very concerned about keyboard issues. I could probably adapt to the shorter key travel, but I have read too many posts about keyboard failures on these machines not to at least factor potential problems into my decision. Now, you might say that it is covered by warrantee so don’t worry, but I just don’t like the idea of buying something that may have an inherently defective design, and this might well be the case with these new keyboards.
 
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I agree. I write novels on my MacBook Air. I stare at that screen for hours a day, switching between Scrivener's project view and compose mode. As an aside, I wrote my first long-form stories and did my entire bachelor degree at 800x600. Resolution alone does not impede or improve my ability to write. I adapt.

What I love about the Air is its unmatched versatility, battery and portability at a cost that's not exorbitant. The keyboard is comfortable and durable. The IO is much more practical and will remain so for years while USB-C and TB3 languishes in their infancy.

What novels have you written? I'd like to purchase one. I'm always looking for a new artist to read. Can you give us some names of your novels and the links to purchase them? Maybe Amazon has them for sale?
 
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What novels have you written? I'd like to purchase one. I'm always looking for a new artist to read. Can you give us some names of your novels and the links to purchase them? Maybe Amazon has them for sale?

Wow, that's incredibly touching, thank you :)

I'm in the latter stages of editing a large fantasy novel (temporarily on hold while I take a break for Nanowrimo). It will be published sometime next year on Amazon. You're welcome to visit my website for my blog for more information, including the sign up form for my newsletter as well as links to my social media accounts.

http://chrisrosser.net
 
The MacBook hinge is very loose. I don’t like it. Kill the MacBook and keep the Air. I like having all the common ports, better keyboard and better hinges.
 
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At $1299, I'm not sure we'll get to $999 on the MacBook anytime soon.

Instead, could we see an updated MacBook Air with a 1920x1080 display?

Not as nice as the MacBooks 2560x1600 but still better than the current display.

This way Apple could keep a low cost laptop offering in their lineup.
 
At $1299, I'm not sure we'll get to $999 on the MacBook anytime soon.

Instead, could we see an updated MacBook Air with a 1920x1080 display?

Not as nice as the MacBooks 2560x1600 but still better than the current display.

This way Apple could keep a low cost laptop offering in their lineup.


Interesting thought on the screen.

I'm now of the opinion that it really just needs a better quality panel even more than one with higher absolute resolution (although *both* would be welcome)
 
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How much does the fanless system throttle the Macbook? I understand the new 12 inch MB and the base MBA are in the same performance range, but with the MBA and with the fan I believe it allows you to get to peak performance longer?

Also to note, the MBA is the only laptop right now advertised at 12 hours battery life. And that is a big big advantage. I believe the MBA right now is the only true whole day laptop.

That's funny because it's precisely its fanless design and cool temperatures that drew me to the rMB in the first place instead of say a current MBP. Coming from a 2010 15 inch that was so obnoxiously loud and sooo hot to keep on your lap, I envisioned a silent performer that I could enjoy in silence.
 
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That's funny because it's precisely its fanless design and cool temperatures that drew me to the rMB in the first place instead of say a current MBP. Coming from a 2010 15 inch that was so obnoxiously loud and sooo hot to keep on your lap, I envisioned a silent performer that I could enjoy in silence.
If you’re looking for quiet and cool, you might want to know the trade off for silence is that the machine can and does get hot in the lap as it still has to dissipate heat...
 
If you’re looking for quiet and cool, you might want to know the trade off for silence is that the machine can and does get hot in the lap as it still has to dissipate heat...

True enough, which had me skeptical with the rMB being able to achieve this at first but it most certainly come through on its promise so far. Then again I really don't do video editing or anything of the sort on it so don't really push the processor too hard however I really didn't ask much from my older machines in terms of processing power and every now and then it would ramp up those fans and generate so much heat making it uncomfortable on the lap.
 
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I'm now of the opinion that it really just needs a better quality panel even more than one with higher absolute resolution (although *both* would be welcome)

No it does not. The screen is fine for those of us who use a MacBook Air.

I realize there's a contingent at MR who think Apple should only make products that they, themselves, would buy. MBA lovers are laughing at you.
 
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No it does not. The screen is fine for those of us who use a MacBook Air.

I realize there's a contingent at MR who think Apple should only make products that they, themselves, would buy. MBA lovers are laughing at you.

I'm trying to be charitable, but honestly, I just can't agree with you.
Viewing angles and color depth are just so noticeably worse on the MBA than other units.

It's funny you said this as I was just at the Apple Store for an hour yesterday bouncing between an MBA and the 15" 2015 MBP and holy hell - it's shocking how much nicer the not even new 2015 15" panel is.

I'm not saying current MBA users are demanding a change, but why argue against including a better quality panel that's still not Retina?

Why is that a bad move to you if they do that?
I don't get it.
 
I'm trying to be charitable, but honestly, I just can't agree with you.
Viewing angles and color depth are just so noticeably worse on the MBA than other units.

It's funny you said this as I was just at the Apple Store for an hour yesterday bouncing between an MBA and the 15" 2015 MBP and holy hell - it's shocking how much nicer the not even new 2015 15" panel is.

I'm not saying current MBA users are demanding a change, but why argue against including a better quality panel that's still not Retina?

Why is that a bad move to you if they do that?
I don't get it.
I agree. I can get on board with a higher quality non-retina display for the MBA (even if I won't be buying another Apple macOS device).
 
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Ideal lineup:

Macbook - $999
Macbook Pro 13 - starting at $1199
Macbook Pro 13 w/ Touch Bar - starting at $1499
Macbook Pro 15 - Starting at $1799

They would still make profit, as many customers would opt for the $1199 Pro.

The entry level 12" Macbook can still sell the same volume as the Air did.

Of course all these devices will sell at your prices, BUT the company mainly owes the stockholders rather than give their products at cut rate prices such as you suggest.
 
Ive been looking at Airs on the local online classified site. Resale for 2016 model is around $650. I might just wait till best buy had a big sale on the Airs.

There is no way I'm spending $1000 on an air today. Nor will I slender $1450 on a 15w macbook pro with one extra port in the wrong standard. Want to update my iPad air 1 and refuse to pay over $1000 for 10.5 (conver, fast charging accessories including) and when I think about $430 on lesser iPad... I find myself willing to deal with my slow iPad one year longer.

Apples pricing used to be ridiculous. Now they have become insulting.

Well to be honest MBP Pro 2017 pricing is not bad. Yeah port selection is horrible but you get the best screen in the market. The problem with that model is however keyboard design flaw and of course slightly more loose hinges than what I would prefer.

Yeah Air for $1000 is too much but that’s why I got a 6 month old refub for $800. You pay for quality of hardware. MacBook Airs are very durable, more so than Thinkpads that I had in the past. So again you pay up and in return you get a computer that will last you long time unlike Dell XPS or others.

I’m not sure what you are finding wrong about iPads... they have a good range from very cheap $299 (Black Friday sale) to the PRO version.
 
Well to be honest MBP Pro 2017 pricing is not bad. Yeah port selection is horrible but you get the best screen in the market. The problem with that model is however keyboard design flaw and of course slightly more loose hinges than what I would prefer.

Yeah Air for $1000 is too much but that’s why I got a 6 month old refub for $800. You pay for quality of hardware. MacBook Airs are very durable, more so than Thinkpads that I had in the past. So again you pay up and in return you get a computer that will last you long time unlike Dell XPS or others.

I’m not sure what you are finding wrong about iPads... they have a good range from very cheap $299 (Black Friday sale) to the PRO version.

The ports argument is so dead. I have a 2014 ASUS Zenbook with HDMI, 3 USB 3.0 ports, Thunderbolt 2, SD card etc. I don't even remember the last time I plugged something into it. The new 8th gen Ultrabooks already have either USB-C only, or USB-C with one legacy USB 3.0 port. It's time for the Air to go. If not, make it $799 permanently and keep it as an actual "entry-level" computer.

And for durability in Windows, just get a Surface Laptop. Windows Pro is still free to update. It's on sale right now for $799 for the 128GB 4GB model and $1099 for the 256GB 8GB model.

I can see the Air being off the market in 6-12 months. Apple will eventually cave and just make the 12-inch Macbook $999. The Pro will drop to $1199 for the base model in 2018. Just watch.
 
I'm embracing nothing other than a debate from technology point of view. This is not an emotional topic and or about personal preferences towards a device.

The rMB is better than the MBA based on "measurable" technology. We have covered every technical aspect of the two devices, be it CPU performance, be it weight, portability, or be it anything else in-between. On a technology level it's beyond debate the rMB is measurably better in every category. Thats not subjective. We measured and contrasted them!

I'm not emotional about the screen, it's technically poor by todays standards. That's measurable, that's a fact not an emotional response and apple should be striding for more even if it's on entry device. Should the iPad 4 return because emotionally i like it? It doesn't matter that it's not better in any measurable technical way vs the 2017 iPad or the iPad Pro but i'll claim a better workflow to fit my needs or the design is more pleasing to me as a justification.

All that's posted back is "but connectivity" the same thing other people complained about when the MBA launched.
What i need a dongle for my MBA? it's laughable, its the same thing again! Yes in some cases you might need to carry a dongle, its not 200lbs or 6ft wide - be it a dongle for the MBA, the rMBA or the rMB. Damn you power brick, why do i need you!


The rMB 12 is simply too small and fragile. I have a 2010 MBA that has been dropped 4-5 times during its lifetime, and still working. Probably because of those «bezels».
 
I'm trying to be charitable, but honestly, I just can't agree with you.
Viewing angles and color depth are just so noticeably worse on the MBA than other units.

It's funny you said this as I was just at the Apple Store for an hour yesterday bouncing between an MBA and the 15" 2015 MBP and holy hell - it's shocking how much nicer the not even new 2015 15" panel is.

I'm not saying current MBA users are demanding a change, but why argue against including a better quality panel that's still not Retina?

Why is that a bad move to you if they do that?
I don't get it.
A couple of things: It only took you an hour of comparison to realize that a 15" retina screen is better than the screen on a 13" MBA? Awesome analytical skills, my friend.

If Apple broke down Mac sales figures by model, I wouldn't be surprised if the MBA was the best selling Mac of all time. That's why they continue to offer it for sale. It's had a great run, but Apple will take the MacBook Air out of production sometime within the next couple of years. When that happens all of you who despise the machine will have cause to rejoice. Until that day, there will be no new screen. Those of us who continue to use the MBA do so because it allows us to do our work. That's it. We don't need frills to pound out words or analyze spreadsheets or do research or lots of other stuff. We've gotten good value from our purchases. Couldn't ask for more.
 
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