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Maybe you can think of no way to update the UI, but luckily others can/have.

No, I can think of MANY ways to update a UI. I'm just saying that change for changes sake is silly. I'm also saying that spending so much time concerned about the home screen where you spend a minute amount of time is silly.
 
No, I can think of MANY ways to update a UI. I'm just saying that change for changes sake is silly. I'm also saying that spending so much time concerned about the home screen where you spend a minute amount of time is silly.

So you can think of ways to update [improve] the UI, but would rather just not?
 
Apple has enough on their plate with all of the changes coming in iOS 5.0 before they start trying to please children with retarded crap like live wallpaper and widgets.
 
Sometimes radical changes to the UI may not be good as it could confuse the users who are used to the current view. We shall see what happens.
 
My 3 year old uses mine more than I do. Popping bubbles, poking spongebob in the eye and coloring.
 
Tired of Ipad yet?

i'm finding as time goes by i'm using my ipad 2 much more than my macbook which is now pretty much acting as a media server.

i digest most of my web content at home from the ipad and found the typing to get easier as time goes by. it's especially great when used in combo with apple tv2. i was one of those kids hooking my desktop to a crt via s-video back in the 90's. to see how all of that happens now wirelessly is amazing stuff to behold.
 
Just curious, what PDFs do you read for a hobby?

Mainly history and science related stuff. I would either print stuff out at work and read it on the way home or read it on the computer at home. It is just more comfortable to read this material on the iPad. And I annotate the material more.

I have read some of the subsequent notes here about the UI and operating system, and while I understand those who say it's time for refresh, I would never consider buying a new iPad just because a new model had a fancier UI.
 
So you can think of ways to update [improve] the UI, but would rather just not?

Update and change != improve

At least not as a rule. Sometimes. I've been around computers for 30 years. So perhaps I have some perspective here that others don't.
 
It's purely an alternate way for me to access the news etc. As a result the only draw back of consequence is the lack of flash. That said I do realize that Steve Jobs hates adobe and will do anything to trash them. To think that it's limited the iPad to partial, instead of full web access, is to realize how self centered the little man is.
 
Sure, I don't play about five hours a day, like in the first weeks. But I use it every day for working and playing.
Its the easiest way to check mails or just looking up things in the internet.:)
 
Twelve months with my original iPad and it gets as much use as ever with myself and the rest of the family. Will add a nice new iPad3 to the house tech stuff next year along with an iPhone5. Dont have to think about it
 
Nope. It's fallen perfectly in place in both my regular time and vacation time. Now rather than reading news articles on my laptop, I read them on here. Also. I'm currently on vacation and I left my laptop at home so that I wouldn't be tempted to do any real work. I just brought my iPad so I can do casual web surfing and the occasional game all to help me stay relaxed. It's working out perfectly. It's a nice middle ground between my laptop and smartphone that I didn't think it would fill so well. Still as happy as I was day one :D
 
It's purely an alternate way for me to access the news etc. As a result the only draw back of consequence is the lack of flash. That said I do realize that Steve Jobs hates adobe and will do anything to trash them. To think that it's limited the iPad to partial, instead of full web access, is to realize how self centered the little man is.

Great point! This is probably why tablets with Flash are just flying off the shelves, leaving iPad in the dust.

Oh wait...
 
Great point! This is probably why tablets with Flash are just flying off the shelves, leaving iPad in the dust.

Oh wait...
This is a typical fanboy reaction. I mean, come on. I own an iPad 1 and an iPhone 4 (and had a 3GS), but yes I still see the lack of flash support as a negative thing.

Sure, HTML5 might be the future. Unfortunately, I live in the present.

It's a very valid point he made.
 
This is a typical fanboy reaction. I mean, come on. I own an iPad 1 and an iPhone 4 (and had a 3GS), but yes I still see the lack of flash support as a negative thing.

Sure, HTML5 might be the future. Unfortunately, I live in the present.

It's a very valid point he made.

well-said. flash sucks. but, people use it. and, i need to use their sites. it wouldn't kill apple to put in a toggle feature. they don't do it because they are stubborn, and we have to suffer for it.

in another year or so, when i am in the market for a new tablet, you can bet i will move to a competitor if it meets my needs: nice ui (honeycomb isn't quite there), solid hardware, software, reading apps (for pdfs), flash support, bluetooth mouse support, etc. a lot of android / tablet combinations are looking pretty tempting now. another year of app development might turn the tide.

i am not tired of the ipad, but i am tired of some of apple's policies. i'd much prefer to stick with apple, but it is almost like apple doesn't want us to stay. their anti-flash and anti-bt mouse stuff is particularly bitter kool-aid.
 
Well, if they put the toggle in the settings and user toggles it on and notices that the browsing expirience is very sluggish, who do they blame. Not many users actually know that flash is adobes and not apples so they would propably blame apple still. I understand that some people may need it, I guess they just need to look elsewhere then as apple is not going to change their policy on that I think.
 
This is a typical fanboy reaction. I mean, come on. I own an iPad 1 and an iPhone 4 (and had a 3GS), but yes I still see the lack of flash support as a negative thing.

Sure, HTML5 might be the future. Unfortunately, I live in the present.

It's a very valid point he made.

Nonsense. First of all, I don't care about Steve Job's ego, nor of that of any other computer executive, even though there have certainly been egos on display recently as companies fight over products and market share. If you want to talk about egos, look at how RIM execs dissed their own employees and shareholders even as they continue to flail around. Again, it is not just the egotism, it is the lost opportunity as a formerly great company and batch of products begin to fade away.

But I was not just employing sarcasm. Yeah, the lack of Flash is negative, and you would think that it would give competitors an advantage over Apple.

But it hasn't. Not at all.

More successful alternative tablets might make Apple reconsider their stance. But until that happens, Apple has no particular reason to budge.

And the frequency with which Flash has to be updated with security patches is worrisome.

I don't understand why Adobe doesn't come up with a better product or why the Web does not move on to something altogether different and superior.

I live in the present, too. But things change every day, often very quickly. It wasn't too long ago that some were insisting that the iPad would never succeed, in part because it did not support Flash. Now, it's the iPad is great, but I wish it supported Flash. Tomorrow, it might be, what was Flash?
 
Yeah, I guess the point of my question was more, once the newness has worn off do you still think it was a usefull purchase or is it only ocassionally used.

This might help:

Bought an iPad in August 2010. Had a BlackBerry phone then so I used it A LOT because the phone was a pain and all my emails and everything needed to be done through the iPad. Since the tablet was the first of its kind - it was just the best experience ever using it.

February 2011, I purchased the iPhone 4 on Verizon. I, now, had a phone which actually worked and was so productive. I noticed a huge decline in iPad usage as so much could be done on the phone. However, for productive processes such as reading articles or doing word processing - the iPad was better.

June 2011, purchased the MacBook Pro. The iPad usage really went down now as I don't use it as much. I still take the iPad only when I go to work and such as I don't really need the computer with me and the iPad will do the work for me. I have noticed that the iPad still serves as the better go-to device for certain purposes. Flipboard, iBooks, 2Do, iWork applications are mainly what make the iPad the go-to device for me. I would type up my documents in Pages on my computer but when I am required to read a detailed project proposal or crunch numbers, the iPad is a cooler and ergonomically better device to use.
 
well-said. flash sucks. but, people use it. and, i need to use their sites. it wouldn't kill apple to put in a toggle feature. they don't do it because they are stubborn, and we have to suffer for it.

If Apple put in a toggle feature for Flash there would be no incentive for web developers to make an HTML5 version of their websites. The fact that there is absolutely no Flash support in iOS means websites would lose on a huge market if they didn't provide a Flash-free alternative, so a lot of them are moving to HTML5. For that reason I am very glad there is no toggle for Flash.
 
There's always something for people to whingers about because they think it sound cool. It used to be a lack of copy and paste and then flash. It's simple, if you need it buy something else, don't buy an iPad and then whinge cos it doesn't have it. This argument has been played to death and is boring
 
There's always something for people to whingers about because they think it sound cool. It used to be a lack of copy and paste and then flash. It's simple, if you need it buy something else, don't buy an iPad and then whinge cos it doesn't have it. This argument has been played to death and is boring

There seem to be two motivations attributed to apple for lack of support: users would be confused and unjustifiably lash out at apple for a bad experience, and apple does this to strong-arm the rest of the industry.

The first reason shows that apple has an incredibly condescending attitude towards it's customers, and a comically excessive fear of criticism.

The second one shows that apple is a market bully who somehow knew they'd succeed spectacularly with the iPad, and they wanted to use their power to crush their loathsome flash enemy.

Neither of these sounds terribly convincing to me. In the end, as someone who wants to get the most out of his investment, I'll go with the tablet maker that meets my needs. I need flash. It sucks. But, there is nothing I can do about it. If apple is still playing it's silly games next time I am purchasing a tablet, I don't plan on sacrificing my experience and hard earned money to support them. I imagine other consumers will reach a similar conclusion.

It's too bad, because there is lots to love about apple. But, their quirks (not the potential of the iPad and os) get tiring. I use the iPad all of the time now, but I can envision a flashy future without it.
 
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