Really? Do you really believe that? Have you actually looked at the pricing for yourself?
Yup.
Really? Do you really believe that? Have you actually looked at the pricing for yourself?
I want a 15" screen and don't want to pay near 1400 for a dual core machine
My point is that these laptops are really overpriced. And it makes sense from a business standpoint because it's their OS and if you want to use it you'll have to pay whatever they want you to pay.
The price technically came down.
Also 40-50% Gross margin is a lot different to the Net margin.
i expect apple to be taking a significant hit on this new machine due to the new screen costs and tooling for the new design and components. Custom SSD and other custom parts.
2 rear tyres on my car cost me £640 the other day made from Carbon and Silicon, 2 of the most abundant substances in the galaxy and will only last me a year maybe.
If you want to complain about pricing there are many other things out there which are worth of criticism.
This MBP isn't one of them
I'm getting one next year with Haswell.
Net Margins is used as a term for revenue, not for a specific product. My point was that they can charge a lot less for the product and still be profitable. Their users are willing to pay the premium.
Are you aware of the education discounts?
You get what you pay for and i don't miss cheap plastic notebooks from HP or Dell.
i have yet to see a notebook even come close to my MBP
I want a 15" screen and don't want to pay near 1400 for a dual core machine
My point is that these laptops are really overpriced. And it makes sense from a business standpoint because it's their OS and if you want to use it you'll have to pay whatever they want you to pay.
Yeah and the 100 dollars off makes it a bit more tolerable.
ASUS makes some really nice laptops btw.
But you maybe right, but since I've never used a Mac I'm just looking at the specs and I don't see anything that great to justify the price tag. After I buy it I may agree with you. Just tough getting over the initial price shock of Apple products
When you have a legitimate point you aren't afraid to yell it in someone's ear. And when you don't have a legitimate point then you have no problem making up "facts" to support your case.i expect apple to be taking a significant hit on this new machine due to the new screen costs and tooling for the new design and components. Custom SSD and other custom parts.
Gross margin is the worst possible metric of a business or product. EVER.
i know i do this for a living.
Just ask Sony how much Gross they make on their products... Probably lots.
Then look at how much they lose annually.
When you have a legitimate point you aren't afraid to yell it in someone's ear. And when you don't have a legitimate point then you have no problem making up "facts" to support your case.
Nice strategy. I bet you win a lot of arguments.![]()
Resale value is also important. i will sell my 2.66ghz Dual core MBP for around £800-£950 depending on market conditions. Ill keep the SSD i have for it which means i only lose about £600-700 over 2 years.
A macbook is not just a bunch of parts in a case with a keyboard and screen. It offers the best software & hardware integration of any notebook on the planet. Its of much higher quality and design than anything else.
I was first and now my brother and a friend all have a macbook of some kind, another friend is about to buy this new MBP with me included.
I don't know any other product other than the iPhone that has this effect on people who use it and experience it.
It makes other notebooks look and feel very poor.
It's the MAIN metric of product profitability. Sony probably loses money annually due to other costs. If you would like an analysis on that I can I can provide it to you compared to Apple.
I know I'm a CFA.
Gross Margin is phantom money until you take away your costs.
I couldn't tell you how many companies i have worked for that thought they was turning a profit only to lose a fortune and have to cut jobs because of it.
EBITA is a more accurate figure and this can be worked back to product level.
A company i recently left made 79% gross margin on a number of lines but still managed to turn £230m net loss and have to cut over 1000 jobs.
That is why it's a tool. You compute your costs first then associate what you want to charge for your product to cover said costs. The company you worked at was managed piss poorly. Since you're using Euros that wouldn't surprise me with no SEC regulations. EBITA is used on an internal basis (Managerial Accounting) Versus for investors. It also includes intangible values so it's disregarded by the street.
Gross Margin %
Revenue - Cost of Goods Sold / Revenue
Look at their SEC filings and do the math yourself. You compute your costs first then associate what you have to charge to cover those costs plus make a profit.
I have an older PPC Mac coming later on in the week, I'd rather have an older PPC Mac than a top of the range Windows crappy laptop lol
Your claim is that Apple is taking a significant hit (loss) with this new product. So if its a proven fact then produce your proof regarding this specific model that you are referring to because Apple tends to price for profit.Its a proven fact that a new introduction of SKU on to the market has a higher initial cost than 12 months later, the initial margin takes a hit on this and this is run down over time. The better the sales the faster this usually happens.
R&D and tooling are the biggest margin killers early on as you have to recover the expense.
Apple has taken a hit on pricing on this model and it also has more batteries and custom made parts including obvious R&D expense.
This is why my PS3 cost me £450 and sony made a loss on every one but now they make profit at £200
If its a proven fact then produce your proof regarding this specific model that you are referring to.
(And if you can't produce anything then why are you yelling at everyone for having individual opinions on what they feel a product should cost.)
Well, I have a macbook pro, Mini and other Apple products. It's not going to be my main machine...Really? hard to believe some peopel still stuck in the 90s. PPC is dead and anyone who would choose a PPC over a new Windows laptop has Appleitis. I've heard it is fatal in some cases.