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Angela Ahrendts is such an over priced tool... soo magical?

No, it was awesome back then because it had cutting edge products, innovative design, and a person who paid attention to detail. No magic involved.
 
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It's called foundation. No one will notice extra few floors when you already have a hundred. How about you do some research about what Apple did or didn't in 5 years.

We're already discussing that in this thread, it's just the likes of several people here only see it as everyone just complaining because that's all anyone wants to do. There have been several things mentioned that Apple has done well, but many more that were nothing special and just run of the mill.
 
Apple stores are imo the big advantage of owning an Apple product. I can basically have my Apple devices serviced in any Apple stores in the world.
Here's hoping that Apple will open their first Apple store in Singapore soon. Wonder why it took them so long. Singapore is like an Apple island. The authorized service centers are fine, but the service I got from actual Apple stores were a tad better.
 
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Then why did Steve Jobs handpick him as his successor? That's a question I've always wondered. Why didn't he use all of that vision he has to see that maybe Tim Cook wasn't a good choice?

SJ was a human -- fallible as anyone else. Certain not every product or idea SJ came out with was a good one or successful. He promoted DVD-RAM long after it was clear DVD was the future. The Mac Cube was cool, but woefully underpowered and wow! overpriced even by Apple standards. But his victories far outweigh his failures. Same goes for some of his hiring choices. Recall Steve Jobs also thought John Scully would make a fantastic Apple CEO. We know how that turned out.
 
It's times like this you realize how much Apple did in 2001-2011 and how little Apple has done over the past 5 years.

The goal should be creating value for shareholders and consumers, not churning out new product lines. And the problem with successful product lines is that you have to continuously improve *and* support them!

Now I have my fare share of gripes with Apple software recently, but it's amazing how myopic and unimpressed some people are. Put things into perspective and remember there's a long-game, people!
 
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Angela Ahrendts is such an over priced tool... soo magical?

No, it was awesome back then because it has cutting edge products, innovative design, and a person who paid attention to detail. No magic involved.
Actually I don't think she fits right in the Apple cult... she doesn't want people line up on the product launch day, come on burberry lady, thats a cult we are enjoying in... and BTW where is the kids section goes?
 
Apple is a colossus with feet of clay. The iPhone decelerates, the empire sinks. Quite normal when a colossus is built in 15 years, can't be really solid, can it.
 
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SJ was a human -- fallible as anyone else. Certain not every product or idea SJ came out with was a good one or successful. He promoted DVD-RAM long after it was clear DVD was the future. The Mac Cube was cool, but woefully underpowered and wow! overpriced even by Apple standards. But his victories far outweigh his failures. Same goes for some of his hiring choices. Recall Steve Jobs also thought John Scully would make a fantastic Apple CEO. We know how that turned out.
Oh god... and Scully made a great run on Newton before apple has been doomed too....OH GOD, hope the history won't repeat LOL
 
What's amazing is that the look and feel of Apple Stores hasn't changed all that much. Sure it's more open now, but I'm impressed how they've refrained from messing with the goose laying all the golden eggs. And SJ actually looked a bit pudgy!
 
SJ was a human -- fallible as anyone else. Certain not every product or idea SJ came out with was a good one or successful. He promoted DVD-RAM long after it was clear DVD was the future. The Mac Cube was cool, but woefully underpowered and wow! overpriced even by Apple standards. But his victories far outweigh his failures. Same goes for some of his hiring choices. Recall Steve Jobs also thought John Scully would make a fantastic Apple CEO. We know how that turned out.

I understand all of this, and I've never been someone who thought that everything that Steve's Apple put out was perfect. But, Steve had worked with Tim in an executive capacity for over a decade, right? (I think Tim came to Apple from Compaq in 1998, but I might be wrong.) That's a long time to get to know someone, and after all of that time it should have been obvious that Tim is an operations/supply chain/spreadsheet guy and not a visionary. I had assumed, or at least hoped, that Steve had learned who had good leader potential after Sculley. Maybe I was wrong.

Or maybe he chose a lackluster successor on purpose as an ego thing, so that he would look much better in comparison. Perhaps that cynical of me, I don't know.
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What's amazing is that the look and feel of Apple Stores hasn't changed all that much. Sure it's more open now, but I'm impressed how they've refrained from messing with the goose laying all the golden eggs. And SJ actually looked a bit pudgy!

I think that most of us remember him from later years (such as the iPhone intro) when he was much, much thinner and gaunt looking from his illness. It's not, so much, that he was pudgy I don't think.
 
It's times like this you realize how much Apple did in 2001-2011 and how little Apple has done over the past 5 years.

There were *EXACTLY* this kind of comments in 2007, just before the iPhone.

People like you have absolutely no idea about how Apple operates, despite all the historic evidence.

Or you're simply paid astroturfers from competing firms that hardly make a buck out of their products, given Apple is siphoning about all profits in the hardware industry. This was extremely clear just after the iPhone 6 introduction, that single handedly destroyed profits for all the Android camp.
 
I remember my first Apple Store visit at the CambridgeSide Galleria just outside of Boston, MA. This was in 2002 after it had opened. Very different experience than today: dimmer lighting, desktops and laptops setup along the store's perimeter, much less crowded, older/professional clientele, and not nearly as much Apple product or third-party merchandise as today (obviously). The store was actually pretty barren product-wise. I used to stop in every time I visited—same as I still do today!
 
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There were *EXACTLY* this kind of comments in 2007, just before the iPhone.

People like you have absolutely no idea about how Apple operates, despite all the historic evidence.

Or you're simply paid astroturfers from competing firms that hardly make a buck out of their products, given Apple is siphoning about all profits in the hardware industry. This was extremely clear just after the iPhone 6 introduction, that single handedly destroyed profits for all the Android camp.

Just wondering when someone would use the "you must be paid by a competitor!" comment. Here it is!
:rolleyes:
 
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iPad was 2010. Firmly in the range I said they did innovate.

new MacPro is a joke. First they've only released one version in the 5 year time of Timmy and where the original mac pro was a versatile powerhouse for any high end user, the new one is a crippled little underpowered box for a small niche market. It's no wonder it flopped so badly they won't even bother with a spec bump.

4k and 5k iMacs = nice screens not made by Apple bolted to underpowered computer hardware that doesn't come close to being able to power the screens. My favourite was the MacWorld article gushing about the new 5k iMac by saying it's almost as powerful as the old model. Like Apple did good by not downgrading performance too much.

Retina phone was 2010. Also in the pre-Timmy era. Since then Android has far surpassed iPhone both in resolution and screen tech.

rMBP doesn't have the computing power to drive the screens. Also you get soldered ram, non-replaceable battery, and no standard drive bay.

and the rMB is a complete monument to absolute stupidity that is Timmy. It's thin. But it has less computing performance than an entry level mac from 2010. It has a keyboard that should be outlawed as a torture instrument. It should not exist and only serves to make Apple and Timmy a laughing stock among non-koolaid drinkers.

Also, it's funny you didn't even bother mentioning the watches. Those new bands are pretty innovative. And rose gold alone should keep Apple going..
Tim is a figurehead CEO (and still the best COO anyway), the one truly behind all of these is Jony Ive. He was given unlimited and unchecked power by Jobs. That's why we saw so many controversial product (and software) designs over these years. Some are good, but most are quite questionable. The new Mac Pro (which has not been updated ever since) is the best example of form over function. Jony really needs scrutiny from Jobs to function properly.
 
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Just wondering when someone would use the "you must be paid by a competitor!" comment to come along.

:rolleyes:

It's so clear, front and center in Apple's history that the company gets extremely quiet and seemingly resting on their laurels just before introducing significant innovations, that one may legitimately wonder if people are just obtuse or malicious.

And again, that was extremely visible just after the iPhone 6 introduction, with tons of new forum members bashing Apple like there was no tomorrow, just as the firm had its biggest hit, ever.
 
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I like Apple stores. there just aren't really any that close to me.

I like the layouts and the design. As someone who has frequented enough tech stores in his life (My father and I would take regular weekend trips to computer stores for fun), seeing their ability to put computers in a retail marketplace that was clean, easy to navigate, and allowed for hands on approach was a real nice change.

I do find the "cultish" feel a bit annoying, and quite creepy at times while you're inside one, but being able to see real working demos of their products has gone a long way to bring tech and computing to the masses, instead of just us geekheads
 
I think I remember I saw this when it was first shown to the public in a keynote...

boy I feel old....
 
Then why did Steve Jobs handpick him as his successor? That's a question I've always wondered. Why didn't he use all of that vision he has to see that maybe Tim Cook wasn't a good choice?
Why not a better successor? Because Job's ego wouldn't entertain the notion anyone could replace him. Job's was exceptional, no doubt, but perhaps through failing health he didn't manage to protect his legacy by shaping the company with completely new blood to keep Apple motoring. The current execs embarass thmselves at every product launch now - old, cliched and very much out of touch, Cook is hillarious trying to do his "I'm so excited and engaging act - the future belongs to the young, give it up folks and retire to your unearned $millions.
 
It's so clear, front and center in Apple's history that the company gets extremely quiet and seemingly resting on their laurels just before introducing significant innovations, that one may legitimately wonder if people are just obtuse or malicious.

And again, that was extremely visible just after the iPhone 6 introduction, with tons of new forum members bashing Apple like there was no tomorrow, just as the firm had its biggest hit, ever.

I think you just underestimate how diehard fanboys can be. Companies don't need to pay people to be rabid about their products anymore, look at the "holy wars" that erupt all around the internet when someones favorite this or that is attacked by someone else with a different view.

I really, REALLY hope they are going to produce something big this time around. I have a number of Apple products and I recommend Apple products to many (based on their needs, etc), but I find it harder and harder to recommend some products now just simply because the price to performance ratio is quite poor.

All I can say is iOS 10 better be huge in regards to improvements in places they appear to be "resting on their laurels". However I don't think they are as focused as they should be. Let's hope I am wrong and they wow us.
 
Then why did Steve Jobs handpick him as his successor? That's a question I've always wondered. Why didn't he use all of that vision he has to see that maybe Tim Cook wasn't a good choice?

THAT is a million dollar question. Maybe he realized that with the insane growth Apple was undergoing, someone like Tim was needed more, at the moment, than vision. Maybe that was to come from elsewhere? Maybe he couldn't find the exact right person, especially with his failing health/strength? Maybe he didn't realize so many key people would quit/be fired? Maybe he underestimated his strengths (people often don't recognize the value of things that come easy to them)? Maybe he though there was enough of his 'DNA' in Apple to do well under someone who could keep the gears turning? Maybe he didn't realize Tim could so easily be pulled off-course with power and fame?

I just don't know... but it's quickly becoming apparent, IMO, that Tim - as good of choice as he maybe seemed - doesn't have what it takes.

Fire Forstall is a huge mistake, yea... Jony still have a lot of idea I guess, but he need a guide or partner like SJ to lead him to... apparently Tim cook is not a kind guy to do such as things. ... and still... a lot of good VP left apple since tim took over the place. like Bob Mansfield, Ron Johnson, and maybe we miss Avie too....

Yea, Apple has lost a lot of great people, or got rid of them. It's my understand that there are very few of the core NeXT and Unix gurus left either.

It's called foundation. No one will notice extra few floors when you already have a hundred. How about you do some research about what Apple did or didn't in 5 years.

That's not the problem. They've actually screwed up the foundation.

... it reinforced the idea in my mind that you just can't get that level of passion for a company's success when you're not the founder of it.

I'm sure that makes a difference, but I don't think it's impossible. I've worked darn hard for several things over my career that weren't my own (probably far too much, considering what I often didn't get back). But, for sure, when it's your own baby, you go that extra mile.

Apple really was a labor of love for Steve, and clearly just a profit making vehicle for the folks at the helm during the "dark years" when Jobs was kicked out. With him gone now, it just feels like the company is floundering a bit. They have the advantage of being "on top" with plenty of cash reserves and a loyal existing customer base ...

I think the current Apple has been scrambling a lot to find the formula for continued success by giving key existing people in the company the right tasks to do. And the truth is? They're generally only "specialists" in certain areas, and not big-picture visionaries.
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Jobs may have been a PITA to work with, but I think he was the "missing ingredient" in the sense he'd beat up on people on BOTH sides of that fence, until everyone came to the best acceptable compromise they could make with the technology of the moment.

Apple's key to success was laser focus on user experience. That drove their attention to design, marketing, and even packaging. Sure, profit margins were key too, but IMO, that was a result, not the goal. Without the UX, they couldn't have ever demanded the high profit margins, and they'd have never had we loyal customers!

The problem with the current Apple, is that they've forgotten UX as the key, and as ironic as it is, are now chasing fashion and Wall Street (the former, they were always accused of, to the chagrin of we Apple loyalists who knew better, and the latter, the thing Steve stayed in control of, and played like a harp).

Yes, part of the problem is that Apple is now a huge company with divisions and the communication problems that come with that. And, that is going to be a challenge. But, I'm seeing something far worse, as I noted above, than typical corporate growth issues.

And yes, I think maybe Jobs ability to say no to the right things, might be more important than what he came up with.

The goal should be creating value for shareholders and consumers, not churning out new product lines. ... Now I have my fare share of gripes with Apple software recently, but it's amazing how myopic and unimpressed some people are. Put things into perspective and remember there's a long-game, people!

Creating value, yes, and that IS a long-term game. My fear is that Apple is now playing the short-term game... chasing Wall Street and fashion, profits and spreadsheets, instead of excellence.

Actually I don't think she fits right in the Apple cult... she doesn't want people line up on the product launch day, come on burberry lady, thats a cult we are enjoying in... and BTW where is the kids section goes?

I haven't followed her efforts closely, so I can't really comment on that. But, I was a bit surprised by her hire, as it seems to play into this new Apple focus on 'fashion' which, IMO, is a mistake. I worry that people at Apple might actually believe the often derogatory myth put out by the anti-Apple folks that people were buying Apple because of fashion status. We long-time loyalists know that's bunk, but it seems to be the direction they are actually moving Apple. That seems to be their new target customer base. That's a recipe for disaster.

There were *EXACTLY* this kind of comments in 2007, just before the iPhone.

People like you have absolutely no idea about how Apple operates, despite all the historic evidence.

Some of us have been around long enough to recognize a fundamental shift from then. Now, some folks also recognize it and think it's a good shift. Fair enough. But, I disagree that it's good. It seems maybe you don't recognize that shift?
 
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I'll always remember around 2001/02 when I stumbled upon a PC message board rife with flippant anti-Apple remarks, where posters had photoshopped several photos of Apple retail stores with DeLL or HP logos.

Of course at the time no one knew how big Apple would become, but it is satisfying how much crow critics had eaten to this point.

Those kinds of critics never actually eat the crow, because they don't revisit and review what they've gone on about before. They just get ready to go off on whatever's coming around the corner next.
 
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