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not from what i’ve read. his cancer was easily operable in the early stages but steve thought he could win it without cutting into his body so he held off for too long to try alternative medicine.

you will never know. It is only a simple opinion of some MD. By statistics he's right: 5% at 5years still alive/95% death.

PS: my wife passed away in 2015, same cancer.
 
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The Cook era is focused on PROFIT! PROFIT! PROFIT! and the applianceification of their computers (Apple Silicon will render Macs unupgradable and unrepairable. Might as well glue them together at that point like the iPads)
The Jobs era was focused on good hardware and upgradability. (iMacs, MacBooks, Mac minis were all upgradable and repairable)

Not true. Apple's GPM was higher during the last years of Jobs' life than it is now. Jobs was very much focused on profit. And rightly so.
 
World celebrates his life and his brilliance but he had a very difficult life which was eventually cut short...abandoned by his parents... then his colleagues and shareholders...I tend to think about what he had to overcome to become the icon....

Having had to overcome is part of how he grew into who he became.

He basically alludes to this himself. For example:

So I decided to drop out and trust that it would all work out OK. It was pretty scary at the time, but looking back it was one of the best decisions I ever made. The minute I dropped out I could stop taking the required classes that didn’t interest me, and begin dropping in on the ones that looked interesting.
 
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Apple under Steve Jobs made me more creative. Every year I remember that. Slowly working toward that creative enthusiasm again (The pencil 🥰).

Thank you, Steve. R.I.P.

Apple Pencil shipped four years after his death…
 
It’s all in the official biography which is pretty brutal and does little to prettify facts.

He had the very rare version which was treatable. He delayed the surgery because of his hippy beliefs, trying to scare it away with avocados. Later he finally agreed to a transplant but it was too late (it silently spread) so he wasted a perfectly good organ (and someone else had to die to donate it).

And to get it he leveraged the fact he had a private plane (you can only register as an organ recipient if you can get to the hospital fast enough, so thanks to the private jet he could register in more than one state).

So he not only killed himself, he made the death of his donor meaningless and took the organ from someone else.

I admire him for his impact in tech, and I’m sorry he died, but the facts are, the way he handled „life stuff” was pretty terrible.
1) He made some really bad treatment decisions which - it is not unreasonable to surmise - may have cost him his life
2) He didn't "make the death of his donor meaningless" - firstly we have no idea of the circumstances of their death, but more importantly their organs will have helped a good number of other people, not just Jobs
3) Seems weird to criticise him over the whole private plane thing - let's be honest, every one of us here, if we're honest with ourselves, would have done the same if we had the opportunity.
 
you will never know. It is only a simple opinion of some MD. By statistics he's right: 5% at 5years still alive/95% death.

PS: my wife passed away in 2015, same cancer.
As has been stated repeatedly, those statistics are inaccurate for the specific type of cancer that Jobs had.
 
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I can’t believe people are still crying over his death. He wasn’t MLK or Gandhi.
Not sure who you’re referring to wrt “crying”, but there’s no time limit on mourning. Billions of people mourn billions of others, in addition to MLK and Ghandi.
More charming that dead Steve ever was
Apparently you never met him. He could be quite charming. He could also be an SOB. Most people display a range of emotions, and Jobs was no different.

Not sure what your point is, other than getting off on negative attention 🤷‍♂️
 
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After hearing about how Steve saved Forstall's life through acupuncture, kinda makes you wonder if it reinforced Steve's belief in alternative medicine which ultimately killed him.

it definitely killed him. He had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that was treatable and he had a good prognosis given they discovered his cancer early. However, he refused for months to get surgery as he “disliked the idea of being cut open” and tried to treat it with alternative medicine. After months of his family trying to convince him he gave in. By then the cancer had already spread to other organs which was ultimately his death sentence.
 
The AirPods and Apple Watch are not from Steve's hand, and they are wildly successful. Apple hasn't lost its magic. It's still extremely focussed on its products, perhaps not as laser focussed under Jobs but it's has not become a bad company.

I've said it before and i will repeat it here, i don't believe that things as the ridiculous way of charging the first Apple Pencil or Magic Mouse 2 would have happened under Jobs and I don't think Apple would have removed the brilliant MagSafe connecter from its Macbooks but other than that I don't see how different Apple would have made the Apple Watch.
 
well, not the wasted pancreas 😉
Clearly the assessment was that the transplant had a decent chance of succeeding, or he wouldn't have gotten the pancreas (or, indeed, there was no other match to give it to at the time, in which case, ditto)
 
Steve Jobs truly was the soul of Apple.
His keynotes never made you feel like he wasn’t directly speaking to you.
Sooo much passion and so little teleprompter reading. Unlike Timmy who preaches to us instead of praising the wonders of there products. Apple WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!!
 
So, here is my irrelevant story, please don't mind me 😕:

I was really late to smartphones and all that stuff, so I missed everything from the beginning of Apple and iPhones and I only witnessed it from the outside. I always felt it was like an expensive cult, but I had no hard feelings, it just wasn't my thing at that time.

And in 2018, long after Jobs' death I did a move from all-time Samsung to this intriguing iPhone X and within a month to the Apple watch. And i absolutely loved it. And that is how I met... Apple, I guess.

And even though I am not happy about everything they do or say, it is a fascinating story of a man and a vision and a brand that developed into so much more, anyone ever could imagine? I don't know.

But here's to you, Mr. Jobs :apple:.
 
it definitely killed him. He had a rare form of pancreatic cancer that was treatable and he had a good prognosis given they discovered his cancer early. However, he refused for months to get surgery as he “disliked the idea of being cut open” and tried to treat it with alternative medicine. After months of his family trying to convince him he gave in. By then the cancer had already spread to other organs which was ultimately his death sentence.
Clearly the assessment was that the transplant had a decent chance of succeeding, or he wouldn't have gotten the pancreas (or, indeed, there was no other match to give it to at the time, in which case, ditto)
Really confusing information here. 1. When he did have surgery, he had a Whipples, which is were they remove the head of the pancreas, and the greater curvature of the stomach, the jejunum and they also remove the gall bladder, and common bile duct, a conduit is formed between the liver and duodenum, and the stomach and duodenum are side to side anatomised. Before performing this surgery (which is a good 5 hours long) a check is made to ensure there are no mets in the liver, and that the peritoneum doesn't show signs of pathology.
2. Subsequent to this op, he would have had major hormonal and endocrine issues, affecting him much in the same way as someone with severe diabetes.
3. The cancer in his pancreas returned, but this time, due to the conduit would have allowed for it to pass into his liver. His liver was transplanted, but appears to ultimately have been rejected.
 
So, here is my irrelevant story, please don't mind me 😕:

I was really late to smartphones and all that stuff, so I missed everything from the beginning of Apple and iPhones and I only witnessed it from the outside. I always felt it was like an expensive cult, but I had no hard feelings, it just wasn't my thing at that time.

And in 2018, long after Jobs' death I did a move from all-time Samsung to this intriguing iPhone X and within a month to the Apple watch. And i absolutely loved it. And that is how I met... Apple, I guess.

And even though I am not happy about everything they do or say, it is a fascinating story of a man and a vision and a brand that developed into so much more, anyone ever could imagine? I don't know.

But here's to you, Mr. Jobs :apple:.
Thanks for bringing this thread back on topic. Whatever the faults of the guy, he was instrumental in some form or other, of bring forward the ideas and inventions of those within the Apple family, and significantly changing many of the things we use/do day to day.
 
Thanks for bringing this thread back on topic. Whatever the faults of the guy, he was instrumental in some form or other, of bring forward the ideas and inventions of those within the Apple family, and significantly changing many of the things we use/do day to day.
His life outside of work and his life inside Apple are the total of Mr. Jobs. Brilliant inside of Apple, not so much, from what I understand, outside of Apple.

Steve, in keeping with his brilliant insight, did give us Tim Cook...who against all odds managed to keep the Apple soul going and who took Apple to a new level.
 
In Steve days Apple had ground breaking new products that you did not know you wanted or needed and then you had to have it. Now they have those same products with just a higher megapixel camera. He left too early, sad.
 
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