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Les Kern said:
Intolerance.
I believe, like Robert Heinlien, that "one man's religion is another man's belly-laugh" and that Christianity itself is a cult to 3/4ths of the world, but I defend his right to believe what he will. Have at it Tom.
And as for "glib", weren't those brothers the ones that did the music from Saturday Night Fever? Oh wait... Travolta. Isn't he a Scientologist? The world weaves itself into mysterious cloth!

I refuse to watch any of his movies.

I suppose we should be "tolerant" to the other cults which exploit people using psychological methods, sometimes ending in mass suicide or even open violence such as Waco, TX?

What about the Ku Klux Klan? An organization based on illegal medical practices and greed is no better than an organization based on hatred.

Believe what you will but I think "Scientology" represents the worst of what men are capable of. Unfortunately these criminals can escape justice in the land of the free.

It hits close to home because there is a Scientology place in my own city of Minneapolis... right across from the Chipotle.

I only wish more people would stand up against it.
 
faintember said:
Even though Tom is short, he is still to tall to ride all of the rides. :(
While he may be "cute" to some, he is probably starting to look to old for Peter Pan's Wild Ride.
 
stridey said:
Very few people, including Tom Cruise. Glib is an adjective, not a noun. ;)

That's odd - if you called someone "glib" that would be an adjective as you'd be describing the person. "He is glib" - he (the noun) is (what) - glib.

Back to the point, "glib" IS adjective AND an adverb - Cruise said "You're glib" - I read as shorthand for "you're being glib" (which I have to say I hear a few times a year in coversation "don't be so glib about it" "you're being a little glib about that").

OED as an adv. "2. ...easy, offhand 3. of a speaker, speech, etc.:..., more voluable than sincere". Example: "You talked so glib of your great estates"

Also defined in the OED as a verb.
 
Sun Baked said:
It's the separation from reality that usually makes you look strange.

Of course he could alway move to Neverland to make himself look normal again.

Or maybe Munchkinland, for wee Tom Cruise. He'll be officially insane when he makes a Scientology movie like John Travolta did.
 
I wish they had rolled on the floor in a cat fight! Pulling each others hair, scratching and biting!
As with most things with ML and TC, the public is once again the loser.....

They both belong on Current Affair.
 
AhmedFaisal said:
I have no empathy either for people who use anti-depressants for a problem that can not be fixed by them because it is an easy cop out to feel good and even worse, advise others to do the same, like Brooke Shields did. Call it insensitive, I call it calling the devil by its name. I am sick and tired of all this P.C. crap about being "sensitive". If someone is a careless idiot, you call him on it, literally.
Regards,

Ahmed

Whoa!!!

I sincerely hope that you enjoy perfectly good health while you're on the planet earth ride. I'd hate for you to end up taking pain killers or some other medicine that doesn't cure the problem, but only makes you feel better :(
 
AhmedFaisal said:
Heh, shouldn't you be saying that to Matt and all the other "reporters" that just HAVE to talk to Tom about being a Scientologist and banging Katie H. (lucky bastard).
Regards,

Ahmed

No. Tom should shut up.
 
Les Kern said:
Intolerance.
I believe, like Robert Heinlien, that "one man's religion is another man's belly-laugh" and that Christianity itself is a cult to 3/4ths of the world, but I defend his right to believe what he will. Have at it Tom.
And as for "glib", weren't those brothers the ones that did the music from Saturday Night Fever? Oh wait... Travolta. Isn't he a Scientologist? The world weaves itself into mysterious cloth!

You can call it what you like, but there are huge differences between christianity and scientology. You'd be better to compare it to Mormonism (LDS), in actuality they believe some really ridiculous stuff to and require you to give them money. Does this mean I'm intollerent of greedy people who feed off the suffering of the world? Guess so. (I'm buddhist by the way)
 
jared_kipe said:
You can call it what you like, but there are huge differences between christianity and scientology. You'd be better to compare it to Mormonism (LDS), in actuality they believe some really ridiculous stuff to and require you to give them money. Does this mean I'm intollerent of greedy people who feed off the suffering of the world? Guess so. (I'm buddhist by the way)

The differences might be huge, but they are not fundamental. Where the rubber meets the road, it's really no more crazy to believe in aliens and volcanoes than God and angels.
 
Glib is a scientology term for speaking without thinking, spitting out memes like a jukebox. But the irony is that Cruisebot's use of these terms is glib in itself, as his language is but a collage of scientological memes. Ah well, but he does have a good point about Ritalin being poison, but you don't have to be a scientologist to understand that.

As for scientology, despite some pros its cons are the same as any cult/religion, namely the trading of understanding for programming, the substitution of mechanical ritual for organic responsiveness. Yes it gives you tools to "improve your life" but improvement on what basis, and through what methods? The basis and methods are devoid of substance, like junk food. Fills you up but gives you cancer. Or like steroids, builds the muscles but shrinks your ...

Shortcuts to success are shortcuts to failure.
 
jared_kipe said:
You can call it what you like, but there are huge differences between christianity and scientology. You'd be better to compare it to Mormonism (LDS), in actuality they believe some really ridiculous stuff to and require you to give them money. Does this mean I'm intollerent of greedy people who feed off the suffering of the world? Guess so. (I'm buddhist by the way)

You obviously don't know squat about the Mormon religion and it sounds like you don't know much about the kooky history of Christianity either.

And Tom Cruise is a ****.
 
I just watched the video and I can't believe what a kook Tom Cruise comes off as. He has really gone off the deep end and I fear that Katie Holmes is going down that path. Well I guess I don't actually care, it takes all kinds in this wacky world.
 
restless~native said:
You obviously don't know squat about the Mormon religion and it sounds like you don't know much about the kooky history of Christianity either.

And Tom Cruise is a ****.
How do I obviously not know anything I'm talking about? How can you obviously figure that out from a little tiny quote? They are the most hypocritical religious group I've ever met, and they believe in the "kookiest" things I've ever heard.

Scientologists abuse the name science. There is no scientific evidence to support any of their alien volcano BS.
 
broken_keyboard said:
The differences might be huge, but they are not fundamental. Where the rubber meets the road, it's really no more crazy to believe in aliens and volcanoes than God and angels.
True, but there is something to be said about "thinking" it up when we think the world is flat. Then coming up with things in this century.
 
Lyle said:
As reported on MSNBC.com:
Katie Holmes has already been dropped from the cast for the Batman Begins sequel, allegedly because Warner Bros. feels that the poor box office numbers for the movie are due to all the controversy surrounding her romance with Cruise. It will be interesting to see how much (if any) this has on the performance of War of the Worlds (and Cruise's career, in general).

Batman Begins is doing badly? I went last night and the theater was sold out. there wasn't a seat left in the house. 47 million is pretty good for an opening weekend too. BTW- they also said there will be a sequel.
 
jared_kipe said:
How do I obviously not know anything I'm talking about? How can you obviously figure that out from a little tiny quote? They are the most hypocritical religious group I've ever met, and they believe in the "kookiest" things I've ever heard.

Scientologists abuse the name science. There is no scientific evidence to support any of their alien volcano BS.

Feel free to give some evidence of just how hypocritical and kooky they are. And BTW, I've lived in Utah all my life and am not Mormon so feel free to let me know and I'll let you know how close you are (or aren't).
 
leftbanke7 said:
Feel free to give some evidence of just how hypocritical and kooky they are. And BTW, I've lived in Utah all my life and am not Mormon so feel free to let me know and I'll let you know how close you are (or aren't).
I apologize for whatever harm my mormon comment made you non mormon feel.

EDIT: I just saw your "give evidence part" so let me give you a little. http://www.younggayamerica.com/heartland3.shtml The article is about an interview with some gay men who have grown up in and under the control of the Mormon religion. Let me give you some quotes from some of the men..
KEVIN: It’s crazy, man. Some people say Salt Lake is a bubble but I say it’s a steel box. I don’t think the rest of the world has even the slightest comprehension of what goes on here in Utah, the religious control of life here. I’m from New York and when I first moved here I was so jolted I compared it to 30’s Nazi Germany because that’s how strong I saw the church’s control here.

DAVID: To Mormons, family is everything. In order to get into the top level of heaven you have to have a family. You have to be married, and you have to take care of your family. Even if you’re celibate, as long as you're gay you still don’t reach the top level with God.
DAVID: In my family I’m number 11, so you could sorta say we fit the one in ten statistic. But it’s been really hard for my family to understand. My cousin came out and was completely cut off. The hardest thing is that you not only lose the church but you lose your family sometimes.

JAKE: When you grow up Mormon the church is everything. It’s your life, your friends, your activities, your family. When I came out I had to start a completely new life because the Mormons I’d grown up with didn’t want to relate to me anymore. They couldn’t understand.
JAKE: I developed a very bitter and angry attitude. I began to hate the church because they made my mother stay up at night and cry because I couldn’t get into the Celestial Kingdom (Mormon concept of heaven). She would call me at night, crying, saying, "I want you to go to heaven with us." I got so furious I started exploring other religions. I explored all the world’s major religions and began wondering if maybe I was agnostic or maybe even athiest. It wasn’t until that point that I finally realized that in order to reconcile anything I had to find my univeral force – within myself. Suddenly I found the inner power I never before realized I had.

WES: I’m NOT Mormon and I just want to give a picture of how overbearing the Mormon religion can be on all aspects of life. When I was growing up non-LDS, I would have good friends in elementary school but as soon as their parents found out I wasn’t LDS all of sudden I wouldn’t see them again. The friends would all eventually say "sorry, you can’t hang out with us because you’re not LDS." I got so fed up with it over time. I only had a few friends that actually stuck around. That’s even before I came out as gay. Once I came out, I was pushed away even more. (I'm not gay but that sums up my life in a little town in Colorado. Where everyone was mormon or trying to be.)

Shall I go on? But honestly I don't want to, and will not respond to any badgering you give. I don't want to keep this thread OT and out of control any more than I already have.
 
jared_kipe said:
I apologize for whatever harm my mormon comment made you non mormon feel.

EDIT: I just saw your "give evidence part" so let me give you a little. http://www.younggayamerica.com/heartland3.shtml The article is about an interview with some gay men who have grown up in and under the control of the Mormon religion. Let me give you some quotes from some of the men..
KEVIN: It’s crazy, man. Some people say Salt Lake is a bubble but I say it’s a steel box. I don’t think the rest of the world has even the slightest comprehension of what goes on here in Utah, the religious control of life here. I’m from New York and when I first moved here I was so jolted I compared it to 30’s Nazi Germany because that’s how strong I saw the church’s control here.

DAVID: To Mormons, family is everything. In order to get into the top level of heaven you have to have a family. You have to be married, and you have to take care of your family. Even if you’re celibate, as long as you're gay you still don’t reach the top level with God.
DAVID: In my family I’m number 11, so you could sorta say we fit the one in ten statistic. But it’s been really hard for my family to understand. My cousin came out and was completely cut off. The hardest thing is that you not only lose the church but you lose your family sometimes.

JAKE: When you grow up Mormon the church is everything. It’s your life, your friends, your activities, your family. When I came out I had to start a completely new life because the Mormons I’d grown up with didn’t want to relate to me anymore. They couldn’t understand.
JAKE: I developed a very bitter and angry attitude. I began to hate the church because they made my mother stay up at night and cry because I couldn’t get into the Celestial Kingdom (Mormon concept of heaven). She would call me at night, crying, saying, "I want you to go to heaven with us." I got so furious I started exploring other religions. I explored all the world’s major religions and began wondering if maybe I was agnostic or maybe even athiest. It wasn’t until that point that I finally realized that in order to reconcile anything I had to find my univeral force – within myself. Suddenly I found the inner power I never before realized I had.

WES: I’m NOT Mormon and I just want to give a picture of how overbearing the Mormon religion can be on all aspects of life. When I was growing up non-LDS, I would have good friends in elementary school but as soon as their parents found out I wasn’t LDS all of sudden I wouldn’t see them again. The friends would all eventually say "sorry, you can’t hang out with us because you’re not LDS." I got so fed up with it over time. I only had a few friends that actually stuck around. That’s even before I came out as gay. Once I came out, I was pushed away even more. (I'm not gay but that sums up my life in a little town in Colorado. Where everyone was mormon or trying to be.)

Shall I go on? But honestly I don't want to, and will not respond to any badgering you give. I don't want to keep this thread OT and out of control any more than I already have.

Cutting and pasting text from an ex-Mormon who is gay and obviously has an axe to grind with the church and his lame parents DOES NOT qualify you as an expert on the lifestyles or beliefs of Mormons.
 
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