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restless~native said:
I don't know much about Scientology....so I won't go there....but I still have to say Tom Cruise is annoying. Don't know if that's a direct correlation to Scientology or his personality.
Tom Cruise is heading down the same road to freakoville as Michael Jackson.

When you have an entourage around you to insulate yourself from the rest of the world, and invite people to live in that world with you.

Are you living in the real world? or the fantasy that has been created?

Plus he is starting to show that he no longer wants to be near us. Lest we drag him away from salvation.

Can't wait for Tom Cruise to start going the plastic surgery route to turn himself into an alien.
 
He's in the news a lot recently hasn't he?

Let's recap:

1. He gets in a pissing match with girl from the Blue Lagoon.
2. He jumps on Oprah's sofa, confessing his love for Katie.
3. He gets squirted with water from a prankster
4. He proposes to Katie atop the Eiffel Tower.
5. He gets into a pissing match over psychology 101 with Matt Lauer.

All big news no less. Anything I missed?
 
Sun Baked said:
Tom Cruise is heading down the same road to freakoville as Michael Jackson.

When you have an entourage around you to insulate yourself from the rest of the world, and invite people to live in that world with you.

Are you living in the real world? or the fantasy that has been created?

Plus he is starting to show that he no longer wants to be near us. Lest we drag him away from salvation.

Can't wait for Tom Cruise to start going the plastic surgery route to turn himself into an alien.
Speaking of which, love the rout you've gone , that is you in your avatar right?? :cool:
 
jared_kipe said:
You can call it what you like, but there are huge differences between christianity and scientology. You'd be better to compare it to Mormonism (LDS), in actuality they believe some really ridiculous stuff to and require you to give them money. Does this mean I'm intollerent of greedy people who feed off the suffering of the world? Guess so. (I'm buddhist by the way)

Ah, a buddhist. I admire the belief greatly. My good buddy is one and he shares the teachings with me. It's cool until they speak of coming back in another life. "Never make money in such a way that it hurts others". VERY good stuff to live by dude.
As for Christianity, Buddhism, Mormonism and Scientology... my whole point was that whatever the belief, it's really none of anyone else's business. Whether I believe that Christianity is based on the warping of something that happened 2000 years ago, that Mormonism was based on the beliefs of an insane man and that Scientology is just weird, is not and should not be an issue to anyone else but the folks who follow it.
 
kuyu said:
Name one "religion" that charges $600,000 to help you reach "God." Scientologists are told to cut-off contact with anyone who isn't "crossing the bridge."

Let's see... been to the Vatican lately? Think St. Pauls Catherdral was built from thin air and not off the backs of the poor? So 600K from someone who HAS it is different than 100.00 from someone who doesn't? Come read the letters from our local church wondering where the tithe is, that you're not reaching the "goal", recommending 10% of your yearly salary. Talk to my Grandmother, who was denied "membership" in the local church (Maryland Synod) because she had a "gasp!" divorce. Watch as Cardinal Law tries to cover up pedophile priests' dirty work by moving them from parish to parish, always signing the letters "Your's in Christ". It's all crap, so
What the HECK is your point? Mine is is that they are ALL cults. So there, I said it.
 
Les Kern said:
Ah, a buddhist. I admire the belief greatly. My good buddy is one and he shares the teachings with me. It's cool until they speak of coming back in another life. "Never make money in such a way that it hurts others". VERY good stuff to live by dude.
As for Christianity, Buddhism, Mormonism and Scientology... my whole point was that whatever the belief, it's really none of anyone else's business. Whether I believe that Christianity is based on the warping of something that happened 2000 years ago, that Mormonism was based on the beliefs of an insane man and that Scientology is just weird, is not and should not be an issue to anyone else but the folks who follow it.
Odd it won't let me PM you, so I emailed you. ;)
 
You just don't get it...

I think that the fact that there even has to be a discussion about this is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is, drugs do not help directly, as they "say" they do. Why do drugs have side effects? Because they have residual effects that later affect your body and your ability to think clearly. No drug whatsoever is good for the long run. Now, I am not shooting down things like anti-biotics, because, if necessary, you may require thos for the time being.​

More towards the Tom Cruise interview, I think it was brilliant of Tom to speak out like that. Anti-depressants are some of the worst drugs you can take, and they sure as hell do not help anyone. Cruise is basically getting tired of the crap, the irresponsibility that's going about in the society today, and he decided to let it out. Good for you, Tom. Matt, read up on psychiatry...​

Glib implies the ability to parrot (tell of something or explain something exactly as you heard it from somewhere else) something, but not apply it. It's a sort of dilletante view of things, and in Lauer's case, glib is right. Not to call him an idiot, but he is simply repeating the propaganda he hears in the society. He doesn't actually know about psychiatry, drugs, and the effects of drugs - and if he did, he'd be with Cruise on the whole scene.​

Before you begin to shoot Tom off, read up a little bit on psychiatry, drugs etc. And I don't just mean what everybody feeds you. Go a little bit past that, past the social veneer of it, then you'll see.​
 
Italian Artist said:
I think that the fact that there even has to be a discussion about this is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is, drugs do not help directly, as they "say" they do. Why do drugs have side effects? Because they have residual effects that later affect your body and your ability to think clearly. No drug whatsoever is good for the long run. Now, I am not shooting down things like anti-biotics, because, if necessary, you may require thos for the time being.​

More towards the Tom Cruise interview, I think it was brilliant of Tom to speak out like that. Anti-depressants are some of the worst drugs you can take, and they sure as hell do not help anyone. Cruise is basically getting tired of the crap, the irresponsibility that's going about in the society today, and he decided to let it out. Good for you, Tom. Matt, read up on psychiatry...​

Glib implies the ability to parrot (tell of something or explain something exactly as you heard it from somewhere else) something, but not apply it. It's a sort of dilletante view of things, and in Lauer's case, glib is right. Not to call him an idiot, but he is simply repeating the propaganda he hears in the society. He doesn't actually know about psychiatry, drugs, and the effects of drugs - and if he did, he'd be with Cruise on the whole scene.​

Before you begin to shoot Tom off, read up a little bit on psychiatry, drugs etc. And I don't just mean what everybody feeds you. Go a little bit past that, past the social veneer of it, then you'll see.​
There is such a physiological problems that require medication to correct the imbalances. Drugs are not good in the long haul because of the body's persistent nature in self correcting. A good example would be opiate abuse. Your body will start to produce less endorphins in an attempt to keep the levels constant. This effectively makes the person addicted to the opiate because if they stop taking it they literally get sick.

Now there are psychological and physiological things that will do any number of things to your naturally produced neurochemicals, many of which can be corrected with drugs. They are not necessarily weak, they suffer from something they cannot control on their own. You could get in a car wreck, and have to take pain medications and BAM addicted to pain pills. THEN would you be saying how psycho-pharmasuticals are bogus loads of crap? I'm not so sure. Will you please credit your sources on the matter? http://home.blarg.net/~charlatn/depression/DepMeds.html
 
Italian Artist said:
Before you begin to shoot Tom off, read up a little bit on psychiatry, drugs etc. And I don't just mean what everybody feeds you. Go a little bit past that, past the social veneer of it, then you'll see.​
Time to dust off that copy of Dianetics. :eek:
 
You're Glib!

Sun Baked said:
Time to dust off that copy of Dianetics. :eek:
Yeah, you actually might want to dust of that old copy of Dianetics, and you might actually want to read it. Give you some information. And if you did read it and didn't get it, make sure to clear and misunderstood words you have in the book, because that is the result of your non-understanding.
 
Italian Artist said:
I think that the fact that there even has to be a discussion about this is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is, drugs do not help directly, as they "say" they do. Why do drugs have side effects? Because they have residual effects that later affect your body and your ability to think clearly. No drug whatsoever is good for the long run. Now, I am not shooting down things like anti-biotics, because, if necessary, you may require thos for the time being.​

More towards the Tom Cruise interview, I think it was brilliant of Tom to speak out like that. Anti-depressants are some of the worst drugs you can take, and they sure as hell do not help anyone. Cruise is basically getting tired of the crap, the irresponsibility that's going about in the society today, and he decided to let it out. Good for you, Tom. Matt, read up on psychiatry...​

Glib implies the ability to parrot (tell of something or explain something exactly as you heard it from somewhere else) something, but not apply it. It's a sort of dilletante view of things, and in Lauer's case, glib is right. Not to call him an idiot, but he is simply repeating the propaganda he hears in the society. He doesn't actually know about psychiatry, drugs, and the effects of drugs - and if he did, he'd be with Cruise on the whole scene.​

Before you begin to shoot Tom off, read up a little bit on psychiatry, drugs etc. And I don't just mean what everybody feeds you. Go a little bit past that, past the social veneer of it, then you'll see.​

quick question, are you by anychance a scientologist or reading dianetics right now. Fact L. Ron Hubbard was a lunatic get over it
 
jared_kipe said:
There is such a physiological problems that require medication to correct the imbalances. Drugs are not good in the long haul because of the body's persistent nature in self correcting. A good example would be opiate abuse. Your body will start to produce less endorphins in an attempt to keep the levels constant. This effectively makes the person addicted to the opiate because if they stop taking it they literally get sick.

Now there are psychological and physiological things that will do any number of things to your naturally produced neurochemicals, many of which can be corrected with drugs. They are not necessarily weak, they suffer from something they cannot control on their own. You could get in a car wreck, and have to take pain medications and BAM addicted to pain pills. THEN would you be saying how psycho-pharmasuticals are bogus loads of crap? I'm not so sure. Will you please credit your sources on the matter? http://home.blarg.net/~charlatn/depression/DepMeds.html

Don't misunderstand me, I don't think that all drugs are bad, I've already said that. However, if you begin to take drugs, firstly, they will have lasting effects, as the "residues" of the drugs will stay with you and can affect you later in life, even though you are not using the drug. Secondly, yes, if you begin to use pain medications too much, you will become hooked on them, whether or not you need them. And I don't need a reference to prove my point about that, just root through some old news stories and headlines...

Come here for more information...
 
Italian Artist said:
Don't misunderstand me, I don't think that all drugs are bad, I've already said that. However, if you begin to take drugs, firstly, they will have lasting effects, as the "residues" of the drugs will stay with you and can affect you later in life, even though you are not using the drug. Secondly, yes, if you begin to use pain medications too much, you will become hooked on them, whether or not you need them. And I don't need a reference to prove my point about that, just root through some old news stories and headlines...

Come here for more information...
Glanced through, are you aware that there are no lasting side effects to almost any drug? Oh and that your body clenses itself in a day or two of almost anything?
 
barneygumble said:
quick question, are you by anychance a scientologist or reading dianetics right now. Fact L. Ron Hubbard was a lunatic get over it
Now don't scare him off. This is a rare chance to observe and study him in his natural habitat, the online message forum.
 
jared_kipe said:
Now don't scare him off. This is a rare chance to observe and study him in his natural habitat, the online message forum.
As long as he isn't a Jehovah's Witness and a Scientologist.

That would just be a little too freaky.

Edit: God help us if he picks up spare cash working as a mime.
 
jared_kipe said:
Now don't scare him off. This is a rare chance to observe and study him in his natural habitat, the online message forum.

I hardly think this is his natural habitat, there is nobody around to fleece, oops :eek: It was funny though
 
there is no doubt tom cruise went off kilter a bit but it's also possible it has nothing to do with his religion/beliefs

we are all mac users or possible future mac users here and it really doesn't matter if someone belongs to a religion, no religion, 12 step group, or full on mind control cult...the main thing is that we talk computers and other stuff and be civil towards each other

...before a mod comes in and closes this thread
 
Italian Artist said:
However, if you begin to take drugs, firstly, they will have lasting effects, as the "residues" of the drugs will stay with you and can affect you later in life, even though you are not using the drug.

The fact of the matter is, drugs do not help directly, as they "say" they do.

So they don't work, but if you don't stop taking them the effects of them "not working" will stay with you... perfect sense.

I would suggest finding more credible material for your "understanding" of psychiatry, like the Journal of the American Medical Association. Of course, I could be wrong... after all, celebrities know what they're talking about. So what if an entire field of medical science declares the guy a charlatan. Not to mention... behind the "social veneer" is a vast pharmaceutical conspiracy to undermine the power of Xenu.
 
dferrara said:
So they don't work, but if you don't stop taking them the effects of them "not working" will stay with you... perfect sense.

I would suggest finding more credible material for your "understanding" of psychiatry, like the Journal of the American Medical Association. Of course, I could be wrong... after all, celebrities know what they're talking about. So what if an entire field of medical science declares the guy a charlatan. Not to mention... behind the "social veneer" is a vast pharmaceutical conspiracy to undermine the power of Xenu.


I think he ran away :)
 
jared_kipe said:
Glanced through, are you aware that there are no lasting side effects to almost any drug? Oh and that your body clenses itself in a day or two of almost anything?

Hmmmm, wonder why there are no 2-day drug rehab clinics then.
 
restless~native said:
And you tell me, virgin birth happens all the time? Resurrections? Walking on water? Turning stones to bread?

Not too far off from "seeing stones", gold tablets, modern prophets.

Virgin Births. Of course son, happened to me yesterday.
Resurrections, that's just down on aisle 5 just past the tiger penis aphrodesiacs and then left past the 13 different kinds of water goddesses. In fact, I think you pass the "seeing stones" and Goldwaith's Gold Tablets, next to the freezer aisle.
Walking on water, son, there are bugs that can do that.
And turning stones to bread, my wife can turn dough to stone just by cooking it; I see that all the time.
That, and a elephant-headed god, a guy with the body of a horse, and some dude he claims he craps lightning.

But, then again that just might be the nine gallons of fermented mare's milk I drank after the winter solstice festival.
 
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