I'm guessing you are kind of young?
The MP3 was not invented by Apple. Neither was 'stealing MP3s'.
In fact Napster(1999)and Limewire(2000) predate the iPod (2001).
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Tony Fadell Talks Apple's Pre-iPhone Days of Failed Motorola Rokr and Touchscreen MacBook Prototype
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The MP3 was not invented by Apple. Neither was 'stealing MP3s'.
In fact Napster(1999)and Limewire(2000) predate the iPod (2001).
Actually, what I said was, "the trackpad is great for gestures as well as movement/selecting". The point being, gestures are a particular and unique strength of the trackpad, which also can handle cursor movement and selection. I wasn't saying the trackpad is better than the mouse for selection. The trackpad's strength in selecting is that it's really close by - I can make rough movements of the cursor (say, selecting the current word, line, or paragraph) using my thumb without moving the rest of my fingers off the keyboard's home row. By moving my hand perhaps two inches towards me, I gain complete access, for fine selection, two-finger scrolling, and all sorts of other actions. Move my hand two inches back up and it's on the home row again and likely lined up with the proper keys already. In contrast, with a mouse, it's at least six inches off to the right, and getting my hand back on the home row afterwards takes longer and it's more effort to get on the right keys - it's a larger context/cognitive switch (no, neither is an enormous effort - I can handle both just fine - but multiplied by thousands of uses every day it adds up). Further, the mouse might be several inches one way or the other, since it's an absolute input, while the trackpad is always in the same place. The trackpad is a relative input - I can put my finger down on it anywhere, and that matches the cursor's current location.
No, my left hand isn't hovering over those keys unless I first lift my hand up from the home row.
Decidedly no. I barely have to take my fingers off the home row to do any of those actions (and I can do them all in my normal text editor without taking my hands off the keys at all). You have to move your hand much further and get it oriented on the current position of the mouse before you get to use those extra mouse buttons, and then move it further back afterwards.
There's a store across the street from where I live. If you're standing next to me on my front porch and you have a really fast hi-performance car (let's say it's a Tesla Roadster), I can still get inside that store before you, because while I'm heading for the store's front door, you're heading for your car, starting it up, driving there while sharing the street with other cars, and parking. Even if your car can go dozens of times faster than I can run, I'll still win (if we're going somewhere a mile away, then, sure, you'll win - by a lot). Lots of computer work involves thousands of those very short races.
Much of my time in front of a computer is spent editing text (both code and prose) using an editor that was first written over 40 years ago (vi, which begat Vim, which begat MacVim). I know the value of old technology. The mouse is relatively new, compared to the keyboard.
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i have a 27" Wacom touch screen for my digital workstation. its a really nice feature to use the internet and software with your hands. even with perfect ergonomics my wrists get tired after a while using the mouse. so i switch to using my finders. I still use the mouse, but its way more comfortable at times to use the touch screen. touch is super accurate on my screen. It has gestures just like the ipad does to control multitasking. just as accurate as my ipad pro. so its like the best of both worlds. very pleasurable experience.
Why is it that every time someone happens to be wrong about a memory, they are lying? Do you realize how ****** the human memory actually is? Read up: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/
Lying requires intent (this goes for Trump, as well). People VERY often misremember or misattribute or embellish. This is not the same as "lying." Stop conflating it, please.
Some people are such raging Apple fanatics that they not just put up with, but defend irrational positions like the necessity for dongles, the removal of connectivity options, the limitation of input choices, the removal of truly useful features (like MagSafe), and the implementation of unecessary ones (like the TouchBar).
All while gladly handing Apple their (obviously not) hard-earned (and increasing) sums money in return for less and less and less than before.
Personally, I just can't do it. Not for unecessarily high-dollar items like Mac portables and the absolutely-BS Mac "Pro".
The iPads are about Apple's only "decent" value, particularly if you are a Pencil-based creative without the need to share a lot.
And how many Wacom users are there? Why would Apple go after that market with the Mac when clearly they're marketing the iPad Pro to those users?
The music industry was in decline and was suffering piracy long before the ipod was even a thought. We used to record songs on cassette from the radio or used to borrow cassettes and record from one to another or just create our own cassettes. I would argue that this was when piracy really became a problem for the music industry. The iPod, Napster and mp3's just took it to a whole new level.
thats true, but my point was that its just such a natural experience using touch with a full OS, i think all users would appreciate it. for example: when other people use my computer they automatically try to touch the screen- even before i tell them its touch enabled. A mouse or touch bar is simply not natural and is a relic from decades past.
i have a ipad pro. its a joke for my professional work . to small, to under-powered, and the software is to limited for my professional creative work.
I think they are making a mistake. using a full OS with touch is a joy to use.
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lol i know right. they think its a feature to have less features. lol
I smack people's hand away if they try to touch my laptop screen.
The problem with all of your use cases is that it's very specific and doesn't call for a huge need that an iPad Pro can't fulfill. Not to mention a mouse is more precise and much faster than touch.
uh the ipad pro cant fulfill any of my needs. its ok for drawing but thats about it.
if you need precision thats what the stylus is for. seriously though i run photoshop with pen and touch. it works just fine. if i want to switch to zbrush, i swipe down with gesture and boom! im in zbrush. its just as smooth and functional as an ipad but you know.... photoshop.
how is surfing the web and multitasking a specific use case? everyone does this.
ill never buy a workstation without touch, thats so 20 years ago....
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i dont think touch is much slower. its actually faster for me than setting down my stylus and picking up a mouse. one hand is stylus and the other runs touch. its certainly a much more enjoyable and natural UI experience.
Your workflow is very specific. Very very few people have a similar workflow to yours.
A touch MacOS isn't happening.
Similarly with the recent Scott Forstall interview, I think what's happening is that there is an increasing audience for these types of insights that tell the story of an Apple at the peak of its glory, the good old days, telling the story of how Apple was genius in product creation in contrast with today's Apple, a lagging company that is good for profit maximization first, innovation second.
And you have that right to buy other machines. That's the beauty of having options.
And you have no idea what the difference between bit rate and bit depth and sample rate are.
