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It means app can work on iPad/iPhone too.

I guess the "plus" is confusing me. Why is it "plus universal" and not simply "universal"? Is that how Apple is advertising it, or is that just how the author is describing it?

I don't get my new ATV until tomorrow, so I haven't been able to look at the app store myself yet. If it's actually a universal app, does that mean I can buy it once and then download it to all of my devices? Or do I need to purchase a separate version for each device?
 
As a developer with a tvOS app in the store, this is totally unacceptable. My app effectively does not exist in the store unless you search for it.

Why should I even bother? I am assuming once they add categories that they will be sorted by newest -- meaning that the launch apps will just be very far back on the list.

Well, I bought mine on Friday and spent the evening going through the apps in alphabetical order. There really aren't that many. Especially if you discount the Flappy Bird clones, Fireplace apps, and Santa countdown apps. It took me maybe and hour or two to cycle through all of them.

That said, categories will be needed in the very near future as the number of apps increases.

I love the new ATV and will take a second look at your app tonight.
 
As a developer with a tvOS app in the store, this is totally unacceptable. My app effectively does not exist in the store unless you search for it.

Why should I even bother? I am assuming once they add categories that they will be sorted by newest -- meaning that the launch apps will just be very far back on the list.

What exactly isn't acceptable? That your app isn't guaranteed success simply because you were an early submitter? Is the app good? If so, discuss it here and let the market start working instead of complaining about what you think Apple owes you.
 
Wait... What is wrong with the new Apple TV?

What, so the category tab is missing? Apple will add it, it's probably missing since there isn't a ton of apps. They don't even need to update for that.

I own it, it's insanely fast, insanely smooth, and leaps and bounds better than the old one.
For the love of God, I never had to do TV remote codes.... That's magical.
Siri works well, it's easier to find content across apps.

The Netflix app isn't fully baked, but that isn't Apple. And Siri cannot control music, or find any to add. That's missing.

But other than that, it streams faster, better, navigating is leaps and bounds better, and it's just so smooth.

You people groaning don't own it, and you sure as hell are part of the **** show In this world.

I own the atv 2&3 (retired the 2) and a chrome cast and a fire TV.
Chrome cast sucks (as does all miracast devices, AirPlay just rules) and the Fire TV search only does Amazon stuff, and is nowhere near as fast and smooth. The Siri controller is really the way to navigate tv. Apple nailed that.

It's a huge promising product with a lot of power. It's almost perfect right now.

Thank you. Pretty much spot on.
 
The media providers (NBC, ABC, CBS, ESPN, and any number of other letter combinations) and their partner distributions channels (Comcast, DirecTV/AT&T, DISH, etc.) have a vested interest in keeping you from getting your channels easily over your choice of streaming devices. Many of the aforementioned media providers and distribution channels are owned by the same companies.

Many many years ago, before we started down the dark road of pay television broadcast television was supported by commercials. And then we got the gee whiz moment when we started being allowed to pay for television that "didn't have commercials." But as time has gone on the media companies have slowly but surely worked toward putting the commercially supported, "free" channels (or more specifically the programming from those free channels that's worth watching) out of reach of their customers. The FCC requires that broadcasters still broadcast their channels over the air for free, but they would gladly stop doing that if they could. But they can't. So instead what they have done is move so much of the content that we used to watch "for free" supported by commercials to channels that you can no longer get without subscribing.

That's why you can no longer see your home town baseball team play unless you're willing to subscribe to cable or satellite (or act illegally). Were you aware that you couldn't even watch the MLB playoffs this year unless you subscribe to cable or satellite? Up until the World Series all playoff games were on pay television. Sure, MLB would sell you a live streaming package for a fairly nominal fee. But you couldn't subscribe to it unless you have an active cable or satellite account.

Most of what I wrote above is already known to a lot of people. But until and unless people look at the historical and evolutionary nature of television versus where we are today they get no perspective on what role their actions have in the grand scheme of things.

The only way that things will get any better is if we as consumers say that we are not going to play the game anymore. I, personally recently cut the cord on my satellite package, and get my local channels over the air with an OTA DVR. I will miss my local baseball team's games next year, and that will be painful. But I will no longer support a system that wants to put a meter on things that are also supported by advertising. It's time that we, as consumers start forcing real economic lessons on the video media producers, just like we did on music labels and newsprint companies.



I can guarantee you one of two things. Either there will be an Amazon app, or Jeff Bezos is engaging in childish behavior that is in direct contravention to his company's best interests. Every move that Amazon has made to date indicates that they are in the business of selling content, and have no vested interest in being a dedicated hardware company. They have shown a desire to be platform independent. To fail to release an ATV app for Prime would be a 180 degree reversal of that desire.

No I wasn't. What is this 'baseball' thing you speak of? :p

Wait... What is wrong with the new Apple TV?

What, so the category tab is missing? Apple will add it, it's probably missing since there isn't a ton of apps. They don't even need to update for that.

I own it, it's insanely fast, insanely smooth, and leaps and bounds better than the old one.
For the love of God, I never had to do TV remote codes.... That's magical.
Siri works well, it's easier to find content across apps.

The Netflix app isn't fully baked, but that isn't Apple. And Siri cannot control music, or find any to add. That's missing.

But other than that, it streams faster, better, navigating is leaps and bounds better, and it's just so smooth.

You people groaning don't own it, and you sure as hell are part of the **** show In this world.

I own the atv 2&3 (retired the 2) and a chrome cast and a fire TV.
Chrome cast sucks (as does all miracast devices, AirPlay just rules) and the Fire TV search only does Amazon stuff, and is nowhere near as fast and smooth. The Siri controller is really the way to navigate tv. Apple nailed that.

It's a huge promising product with a lot of power. It's almost perfect right now.


I second all of this.

Minus the somewhat snarky phrasing. That's just not how I roll....today. :D
 
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The aesthetic design of the new interface is beautiful, but this new aTv ( i bought it) really feels like a half-finished product. Apple seems to be releasing more and more half-finished stuff lately....
I agree.
Now I'm getting a little worried about the iPad Pro.
 
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Was this product even ready for release??? or this is just another Apple pastime that wont be taken serious untill the 10th generation???

Give them a break, not like anybody could forse these issues...especially the employees getting paid millions of dollars! /s

With this latest set of product release blunders, it seems that Apple employs many individuals that have the serious credentials on paper, but in actuality lack any common sense. Or, at the least, the voices of reason of the commons are drowned by the lack of common sense further up the hierarchical chain of command.
 
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There was a screen shot at the September event that clearly shows top charts and category options. Maybe Apple is waiting for more apps to be available to turn it on?

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I have my complaints about this device by my god it's only been on sale for a few days. I think it's silly for developers to be freaking out about discoverability after only a couple days on sale. If a month from now we still don't have a good way to search for apps then yeah complain away.

Agree. This is a 1.0 version, and seems to be pretty good in spite of that. I don't know if everything will be in place in a month, though. There are some obvious initial features such as better App searching, that clearly were held back due to bugginess. I expect those will be in the 1.1 version about 6-8 weeks after 1.0 GA. v1.2 should feel pretty solid, about 3 months after 1.0 GA. Some of the big missing features, such as Siri support of personal iTunes libraries, will have to wait for 2.0.

My game (Destin's Destiny) is #138 free in games. So, at least I made a list. Sadly though at a point where no one will see.

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That will be addressed soon. Be patient, friend.
 
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There was a screen shot at the September event that clearly shows top charts and category options. Maybe Apple is waiting for more apps to be available to turn it on?

2guk12v.jpg


I have my complaints about this device by my god it's only been on sale for a few days. I think it's silly for developers to be freaking out about discoverability after only a couple days on sale. If a month from now we still don't have a good way to search for apps then yeah complain away.

Does this mean the new  business model is for customers to hope that new products/software might eventually work properly? (TV, El Capitan, iPhone updates, etc)

At twice the cost of the previous TV one would think it would "just work" right out of the box.
 
The aesthetic design of the new interface is beautiful, but this new aTv ( i bought it) really feels like a half-finished product. Apple seems to be releasing more and more half-finished stuff lately....


Chicken and egg problem with entirely new products. They need to actually release and sell the product to draw in the developers who they need to fill the App Store. Come back and complain in 3-4 months when v1.2 is out.
 
I am liking much about the new Apple TV, but this is definitely an area for improvement. I spent a day entering in the search word "live news" since this was the only way I could find news apps, and then having to download and try them out since the descriptions weren't very helpful. I was looking for live news. Finally ended up with CCNgo, CBS and Skynews. ABC, FOX, NBC did not seem to have real Live news apps.

Bottom line is that categories or other discovery tools would be helpful.

I only downloaded 1 game, Asphalt8 and did not find the remote to work very well for that game. I don't play that much to begin with so not sure I want to invest in a Mfi controller, so hopefully the remote interface for games improves over time.

I did like the Zillow App. Not really in the market for a new place, but it is a nice interface and you can see some nice properties.
 
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As a developer with a tvOS app in the store, this is totally unacceptable. My app effectively does not exist in the store unless you search for it.

Why should I even bother? I am assuming once they add categories that they will be sorted by newest -- meaning that the launch apps will just be very far back on the list.

There is not enough Apps to have categories.

Be patient
 
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Chicken and egg problem with entirely new products. They need to actually release and sell the product to draw in the developers who they need to fill the App Store. Come back and complain in 3-4 months when v1.2 is out.
But the complains don't concern third-party apps only, for wich Apple doesn't have direct influence in developping ( The new Netflix app for example is horrific , but that's Netflix's fault ), we're talking about Apple's own design. The lack of a category for apps makes no sense, and I don't see why they need to sell the product before they're able to implement it. Apple's tvOS is not a third-party developper's job. That's Apple's engineers job.
 
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Part of the reason for the complaints is we worked hard to be in this first wave of apps. To get some expsoure, before we are drowned out by thousands of new apps every day. I was in the first wave of iOS apps as well, and it was an amazing time, organic downloads were rolling in. I think that a lot of the first wave tvOS developers were hoping for something similar with the tvOS App Store, a chance for an unknown developer to be seen in a pool of hundreds, instead of a pool of hundreds of thousands.

pound the pavement. Go advertise on Twitter, facebook, ect.

Thats your job to marketing not Apple.
 
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Give them a break, not like anybody could forse these issues...especially the employees getting paid millions of dollars! /s

With this latest set of product release blunders, it seems that Apple employs many individuals that have the serious credentials on paper, but in actuality lack any common sense. Or, at the least, the voices of reason of the commons are drowned by the lack of common sense further up the hierarchical chain of command.

Hilarious.

Apple is selling more iOS devices than ever before.
Apple is selling more Mac's than ever before.
Apple is generating more software/services revenue than ever before.
AppleTV will dominate and so will iPad Pro.

Sorry but you are in the minority for being 'disappointed' with Tim Cook's Apple. Hope you bowed down to your Steve Jobs shrine this morning.
 
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I don't know about that. I would hate to be a developper and be told "Thanks for your app, but since there aren't enough apps to justify having categories, yours will just remain invisible and no one will accidently discover you "

If your App is good people will find it.

Its not Apple's job to market your App. How much is Apple charging you to put your App in their store front? Basically nothing. Try doing that in a retail store like BestBuy.

The guy was just lazy. He just thought that just because he would be one of the first Apps on the store he deserves to make $$$
 
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Air Video HD should be waaay before SimpleX
It looks like SimpleX with Plex can access my iTunes and iPhoto videos. I don't think Air Video can (but it is a great app). That might be one reason people want it. It seems Plex is also a pay forever service while Air Video is pay once. I am still trying to decide which way to go since Apple TV has a limited quicktime compared to the computer.
 
The aesthetic design of the new interface is beautiful, but this new aTv ( i bought it) really feels like a half-finished product. Apple seems to be releasing more and more half-finished stuff lately....


I disagree completely. My family used it extensively all weekend. Gaming, movie streaming via itunes, netflicks, and my ripped movies on my iMac.

I get that the discoverability thing is an issue, but I think they will straighten that up in short time. It may of even been planned for the sake of the launch to focus on featured apps.

Besides that, what the heck else is "half-finished"?
 
But it's their job to at least make it visible on the store ( like on all its other stores) and not hide it.

Nope it isn't. Read the TOS. No where does it say Apple is obligated to put your App on a list or even create a list in the first place.

Go make your own App store if you want to make up the rules.
 
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